Brian Cronin

Yeah, I think she's right around top five. Five or six, I'd say. I love that Makensy just HAD to win the Final HOH and evict Cam, just to cement her place in BB history (along with all of the OTHER people who did the same dumb thing as her, but still).

I legit don't understand how hurting MJ has even factored into Chelsie's thinking here.

Yep, people really ARE delusional at this point. Josh also took Paul (which worked out, but still).

It is still amazing, in retrospect, to see Steve avoid it in BB17, because yeah, by this point, people really are just absolutely blinded by the delusional narratives that they've created in their heads.

I always point out that BB HGs are almost always mostly morons, so when a HG goes far in the game due to other players making moronic decisions, I don't begrudge them. And I still basically hold true to that position, but I will allow that Makensy is an unusually dumb HG this season. This isn't just normal stupidity, this is someone who actually instantly figures out the appropriate way to go, and then is talked out of it because she's unusually stupid.

Phew. That's something, at least.

The most iconic thing will, of course, will always be Janelle spending her catchup time with Michael learning whether Britney Spears had her baby yet.

Don't worry, Rubina will work on her hard and get her to change her mind. Oh, what's that? Rubina won't do shit? Oh, yeah, never mind. Is Makensy particularly stupid? Yes, but so was Cody and Cowboy, and Lane and Enzo, and all of Maggie's alliance mates. BB HGs are just typically pretty darn stupid, and when you give them THIS much time to overthink things, they're easy prey.

Oh, right, good call, final eviction and THEN the final vote. Yeah, you might be right that it is the first part that they intersperse with the recap.

No, they want it to be live for the show, then they'll start the first part of the F3 HoH live on Thursday. Then an episode on Friday (taped second part of F3 HoH, plus a trip down Memory Lane), and then on Sunday, the live conclusion of the F3 HOH followed by the final vote.

Yep, 100%. It's just absurd.

Yeah, it's one of those things where all you can do is get in your own head about it.

Yeah, OTT was a blast, but it definitely doesn't count. And yes, 1 was a whole other game.

Oh, sorry, I meant 9. Sorry, I'll correct the typo.

Second tier, with the other winners who controlled their seasons, but didn't really have to fight to win, so Hayden, Maggie and Derrick. I thiiiiiiiiiink Xavier belongs there, too, but I struggle with calling him the "leader" of the Cookout, but since everyone was fighting to protect Xavier all throughout that season, I guess he really was the de facto leader of the group. I put Steve at the high end of the third tier, which is basically "every other BB winner." I'd probably put Makensy right there with Steve if she won. Rubina would be there, as well, just lower (but, again, most winners are just thrown into the third tier, and I don't think of ranks very much. Like, was Lisa better than Nicole? Who the fuck knows? They were all just sort of there. Same with Rubina). I have Jag in that third tier, too, as he's a lot like Kaycee. Just sort of there, and then went on a competition-winning spree to separate himself from the pack, and since they were all just "there," no one hated them at the end. I don't even count the All-Star seasons, Dick's season or BB9. They weren't really "real" seasons. The trickiest winner for me to rank is Jackson. It feels wrong putting him in one of the top tiers, but that dude really did play a marvelous game. He was on the outs of the majority alliance for a good chunk of the game, and then pulled off one of the greatest mistings in the history of the game when he got Tommy eliminated.