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I did that 30 years ago in Brooklyn, but things were way different back then. People like these characters would have been shunned, through and through. Someone upthread asked why Hannah was acting like an entitled you-know-what with her parents -- guess what? They brought her up that way. When I read that Lena Dunham was raised by artists and went to St. Ann's private school in Brooklyn Heights, it all became clear. She's writing what she knows. I'm probably one of the oldest commenters here, but I watch this show absolutely gobsmacked by the bottom-line ugliness (people and situations), entitlement (where does everyone keep their many trophies??) and self-absorption. This show is 180 degrees from Sex and the City (people, Brooklyn has showers, trust me), but both shows are equally dangerous to impressionable young people. I'm dying to write an entire manifesto about this, but I'm too tired. I fear for future generations, and this show has made me so very happy I've never had children. I'd be mortified if any child of mine were as hateful or Valley Girl stupid as these characters. Not only youth, but education, seems to be wasted on the young (in this show --no offense to viewers). I am in awe of how the casting people managed to find the most heinous-looking people on earth to showcase on a reputable cable network. I use TV for escape ... when I want to see the fugly and unwashed, I'll take the subway.

One of the most difficult accents to master -- but I have LOL!

I took that to mean don't say anything more, I know Max's mother was a 10-year-old crack whore and I don't want him to find out. Yes, a bit of hyperbole, but I think Lisa knows too much about the mother (it was a foster care case), and is trying to shield Max from the truth.

I had to laugh at that scene ... I am liking Eileen, who I never heard of before she was a HW, but that definitely (and literally) put her in her place -- not alongside Meryl Streep. I thought that was a clever edit, and probably a bit of a warning from Satan Andy: don't get so high and mighty, girl, even though the viewers love you! And I agree with the OP from episodes ago who remarked that Max's storyline is a carefully orchestrated ploy by Lady VanderP to re-ingratiate herself with the viewers. When "Pandy" (I so want to punch her, I don't know why!) starts to "cry," I was thinking that they might have better spent money on acting lessons than that sham wedding. Worse than a soap opera! And I keep watching. SMH.

Yes, we can blame Todd. He knew exactly what he was getting in to, and went ahead with it anyway. I'm telling you, I haven't trusted him 100% since the whole deal with the prenup.

Love it!

Is your screen name from "King of Queens"?

Those brownstones used to go for $20,000 in the late 50s, early 60s (the immigrants -- like my family -- wanted to be able to save up and move to the country, aka Long Island). But many bought the brownstones, stayed there through thick and thin, and are now real-estate millionaires. I can't click on zillow without weeping thinking of what could have been ...

I grew up in that very part of Brooklyn way back in ... well, let's just say way before the hipsters ruined it. And believe me, if a child EVER dared to do something like that, EVERY ADULT would have taken a swing at him -- deservedly so. Not such an awful idea to go back to children being seen and not heard.

Totally agree ... it was brilliant in "Little Children," but just a stolen affect here.

Apropos of nothing, I think Kandi's friend Carmon is beautiful. Unlike Kandi.

But even time is relative. One minute on a snooze alarm is a helluva lot shorter than a minute on a Stairmaster :)

Isn't this the same Lance Bass who pretended to be straight? To endear him to swooning young tweens? To make loads of money? Until prominent gay people are upfront and honest from the beginning, many young gay people will see it as something to hide, still. I think that does way more harm than a woman calling a friend "my gay."

I'm no Ken fan, but I think he was going for a couple of ethnicities that would very obviously not be Max's parents, because of his fair complexion and Caucasian features. I look my nationality, Italian, and when someone innocently asks what my background is, I say Swedish or something similarly silly -- for a laugh.

And, as a longtime "hag," I have to say that Kyle did not seem very comfortable in her "gays"' presence ... in the flashback to the first talk of the party -- that looked so fake (she truly is a terrible actress). I feel no cameraderie between her and her gay supposed friends. I'm guessing Satan Andy uses Andy Eye Candy as product placement here and there.

This is not to disparage anyone who follows them (look at what I watch!!), but aren't soap operas on a par with game shows -- actors who couldn't make it elsewhere spouting dialogue worthy of starting a good vomit? I haven't watched one since college many moons ago, and thought it was just a rite of passage at that age, but -- are there really milliions of women that consider them on a higher scale than the soap operas that are called "Real Housewives"? I'm not joking, just curious.

The look of utter shock on his face when the verdict was read tells us all we need to know about how much he believed his "client."

Didn't she say her first season that her parents were nudists? The parents creep me out, too -- especially after hearing that, and my unprofessional guess is that she was sexually molested as a child (by friend or family) -- hence the sexualized personality.

Kathy is actually proud of her daughter -- that's a whole lot of crazy! I remember them on Larry King years ago after Paris got out of prison; Kathy was looking on her high-priced call-girl daughter with complete adoration and awe. If she was acting, she beats Kyle and Kim by a mile!

Let's not forget -- this is a couple who have, what, racked up 3 marriages each? Not exactly stable relationship types.

I know of whence I speak (had a major organ removed due to cancer) ... and there ain't a chance in hell I was up for a picture, and looking like that. I don't believe a word of it, sorry. She may be suffering from "no-longer-model-itis," where her children are usurping her fame and status, her words of encouragement notwithstanding. Someone whose whole life and reason for living is her looks isn't going to fare well when hitting middle age, no matter how stunning she may still be. A little Munchausen syndrome -- on herself?

I don't think that ploy will work with Bruce.

My gay friends used to refer to me as their "hag," and I always thought it was funny. Still do.

I am so enchanted and entertained by Ayden that I daresay I'd go through the hell of Apollo to get a little one that precious. And Mr. President is a little "rascal" himself ... yup, I'd definitely throw in with the likes of him ONLY IF I was assured of those two peanuts.

Methinks her having a very rich father is what gives her an advantage in RE -- and I'm sure Mauricio didn't overlook that fact.