[S15.E20: Carry On (Series Finale)]

On 11/20/2020 at 2:41 AM, kickingnames said:

I read this entire thread as well as some other sites before I actually got to watch Dean’s death scene — and I was still a teary mess. I could pretty much watch the beginning, the death scene, and Sam joining Dean at the end, and be okay. Everything else seemed pointless and tacked on (which is weird since we know it wasn’t shouldn’t have felt that way). I can imagine that seeing everybody back together in heaven would have softened the blow of killing Dean before the midway point of the finale — but I’m not gonna blame the pandemic for Dabb’s inability to adjust his own writing to a compelling alternative.

[Insert caustic remarks about a series’ worth of writing that fully expected the actor’s skill to gloss over all the failures of the script — and generally got away with exactly that — here.]

I do wish they had not used that other version of “Carry On My Wayward Son” over Sam’s death. It was incredibly distracting. The version from “Fan Fiction” would have been much more tolerable there.

I kind of hate that “Swan Song” is still a viable “series ender” — it made me so mad at the time, but unfortunately nothing’s really exceeded it as an alternative natural ending point. (Maybe season 11? I need to rewatch it.) 

I think it’s interesting that in Swan Song, Dean is the brother that got the happy, normal life and in this one, it’s Sam. Do we know if the aired version of Swan Song was how it was originally planned? Or was Dean originally going to be the one who died then too—until it was decided to extend the series?

[The Family Stone (2005) or, Meredith Did Nothing Wrong, You Jerks!!!]

Just saw this movie for the first time. What a dreadful family. Everett was a jerk who allowed his family to treat his girlfriend badly and then chased after her sister. The scene in which he forced Julie to wear the ring was cringeworthy. I wish she hadn’t gotten off the bus, although I would have been okay with them getting together later. Interestingly, I can see why he’s immediately attracted to Julie, but I found her returning the attraction to be unrealistic.

I felt no sadness at Sybil being terminally ill—she was so hateful.

I think a better ending for Amy would have been to grow up and lose her brattiness, not to get together with a nice guy.

 I hated Meredith’s comments to Thad and Patrick, but she didn’t deserve all the hostility before that. I think her and Ben getting together should have been the only couple happy ending, though hints at the other two would have been fine.

 

[S01.E05: Trial By Fire]

10 minutes ago, Roxie said:

I also still don't know why he his his phone.  No matter where he went or why, why not keep his phone with him?  It would have taken Grace longer to figure out that he wasn't where he said he was.

Although the conference was preplanned, he left the phone behind after the murder so he could run and not be tracked.

[S01.E05: Trial By Fire]

15 hours ago, carrps said:

Oh, and one thing I forgot. I hate that everybody pronounces Elena's name wrong. It's Eh-LAY-na, not E-luh-nuh. 

But the character herself pronounces Elena the second way, so even if it is not the traditional pronunciation, why shouldn’t she say her own name the way she wants to? 
 

Also, rewatching episode 1 and Nicole is showing more expressions on her face. I think the stiff expression is an acting choice.

[S01.E05: Trial By Fire]

19 hours ago, Maysie said:

 

I don't like Jonathan, but I don't consider him a sociopath simply because his mother called him such. Again, more bad parenting (at least we know where Jonathan gets his from). I don't know, but if my kid was in any way involved with the death of a sibling, whether by accident or neglect, he'd be in therapy - especially if he's showing no signs of emotion or acknowledgment afterwards.

The “accident” would have happened in the ‘70s or ‘80s so therapy might have still been considered taboo in Jonathan’s family.

5 hours ago, Cheezwiz said:

 

Stuff I hope doesn't just get dropped:

• Seriously, what the HELL happened to the 500,000 that was loaned to Jonathan? And then he needs another 2mil from Franklin for bail, and no one asks about this?
• What was Jonathan's ruse about the faux conference about? Why was he setting that up well before the murder took place? I like the theory that Jonathan was actually planning to run away with Elena and the baby, and wanted the money for a new start elsewhere.

I thought that the 500k was to support his lifestyle after he was fired so that he could hide that fact from Grace. He probably also used it to pay medical bills for the baby’s birth and set Elena up in the fancy studio. 

Also, the Cleveland conference was an annual conference that he had to pretend to attend to keep up the ruse of still being employed.

I don’t think either of these are directly related to the murder so they probably don’t require further explanation 

[S01.E05: Trial By Fire]

16 hours ago, qtpye said:

I think we are supposed to find Elena amazingly beautiful. Every encounter with her has been a comment on that, her perfect breasts, the rich young men all hovering around her, everyone meeting her being immediately enchanted with her...including Grace. Since Jonathan is a sociopath...I think we are to believe he just had to have this woman and risk everything for that.

I don’t think there was much risk from his perspective. He’s always gotten away with things his entire life.

10 hours ago, endure said:

Henry's Dad didn't kill his sister, it was an accident. 

I actually immediately jumped to the conclusion that he deliberately encouraged his sister to run outside so that she would get hit by a car. Perhaps he was jealous of the attention she got or was annoyed at having to watch her...It’s possible that I am being too cynical from watching too many twisty shows, but...

9 hours ago, kay1864 said:

 We were discussing the episode tonight, someone pick this apart:

I don't think Henry made the leap from "I saw my dad talking to this woman" to "my parents are going to separate if I don't do something about that". He may or may not be a sociopath himself, but I can't see him killing a woman just because his dad was flirting with her.

I actually think he might. I remember being really annoyed with a man who was trying to flirt with my mom, and I was only 6 at the time. Henry is much older and might be able to draw wilder conclusions. However, I don’t think there was any real risk of them breaking up, because of the money factor. The risk is much higher now, post-murder.

[S01.E05: Trial By Fire]

Here’s my wild speculation.

Jonathan killed Elena. His statement that he loved her is just an attempt at manipulation. He put the hammer in Henry’s violin case to make Grace think Henry did it. She confesses to save her son. Franklin kills Jonathan. 

[S01.E04: See No Evil]

On 11/16/2020 at 1:14 PM, Mackey said:

When did scum-cakes tell his wife about Cleveland? It was at the auction or on the way in the car? Or, do we even know when the plan was first mentioned? Could it have been weeks ago? 
 

I’m struggling with the idea that he sets up a fake trip story to his wife, then goes planfully and brutally kills someone, and then what? If he was the murderer how would a fake trip help his case? He’d have to know people would find out there was no conference. A fake trip/fake conference is no alibi. It only works (if he’s the murderer) if the fake trip plan was not related to anything to do with Elena. But, he kills her in a spontaneous rage and then runs in panic, forgetting his fake trip . 
 

Leaving phone? Also, unrelated? But, very confusing.  Most people, of his ilk,  would be checking texts as they walk out the door. How did he not turn around in minutes, noticing it missing? 

I’m obsessed with the fake conference, fake trip part. I’m mostly obsessed that nothing is being said about it with Grace and the cops, like “Ah, after the murder, your murdering husband did not go on his fake trip to a fake conference but instead claims he did a fake panic run when he saw Elena dead. We think it’s all fake fake fake and don’t care about the fake cleveland trip story. We just care about the faked panic run.”

I think Kidman is amazing! I’m not faking. I really do love how she’s acting in this role. 

I was under the impression that it was a conference he attended every year, so he had to pretend to go because he didn’t tell Grace her was fired. The left behind phone was to avoid being tracked...

[S01.E03: Do No Harm]

On 11/9/2020 at 11:11 AM, heatherchandler said:

No!  

This is her in younger days with her original hair.  And original face.  

I wasn’t sure if this was her natural hair or an ‘80s perm...I actually thought her face looks more like her younger self that it has in a while.

[S01.E02: The Missing]

On 11/2/2020 at 8:10 AM, Chaos Theory said:

 

Either way I still find this interesting enough.    Plus I like that Lily Rabe’s character wasn’t among the bitchy moms that turned on Grace.  I thought they were painfully realistic for upper class mothers.   Asking for free advice one moment then the next gossiping a person in trouble.  

I am waiting to hear that she had an affair with Jonathan...

[Season 5 Discussion...]

This season has been interesting. I honestly think I might be a better priest than Sidney and Will...and I am not even Christian!
 

But seriously, this season has been heartbreaking! Vronky’s gang rape to Jack’s cruelty to Vic’s cruelty. Luckily, we still have Daniel as the voice of compassion. I did appreciate the realism of Leonard’s hypocrisy towards his dad. I cringed at Will’s drunken behavior at his mother’s wedding. 

I liked that Geordie is finally over his midlife crisis and is a good husband.

I like that Jack is not a cartoon bad guy.

The mysteries are mediocre but the character development is very strong in this series 

[S01.E10: Kill Me as If It Were the Last Time]

I really enjoyed this series. Not sure that a second season makes sense, though, given the concept.

I was really moved by the entire Simone/ Karl storyline. I was a kid in 1984, so I was aware of AIDS when Rock Hudson’s diagnosis went public, but not really aware of the ostracism against gay men.  I liked that snobby Simone was ultimately the most generous one of all.

Really great cast, all around. Some really fine acting. Anyone else think the last woman homeowner looked like Jennie Garth? And the kid they cast as young Tommy was spot on.

[S06.E15: Stay]

4 hours ago, MorbidPet said:

I've used HTGAWM wiki alot just to remember and get all nerdy (or nerdier I should say), this is the 'events' page How to Get Away with Murder Wiki 
On that site you also have all the characters both main, supportive and minor ones 

There's also a fan - Liza mentions him in a video so that's how I found him - Niles who's done a timeline that's very impressive Niles @thekeating5ive 

Thanks for the resources 

[S06.E15: Stay]

Does anyone know of a site where all the plot lines are explained? I find that I have forgotten half the characters and how they are related.

[S06.E15: Stay]

I was fine with Frank and Bonnie dying—it made sense. I liked the return of Alfred Enoch as his son, but I thought his accent was weird and distracting  , given the way his mother speaks, but I guess he grew up outside the US.

Potential spinoff for Michaela—having learned nothing, she murders her way to a judgeship?

Happy ending for Connor and Oliver. It’s sad that of all people Connor is the one that did jail time, but life is not fair.

I called BS on that happy photo of Annelise at her funeral. I knew there was no way that she smiled that much during the timeframe of the show. But I am glad she found happiness.

 

[S05.E12: Never My Love]

3 hours ago, jmnf19 said:

I heartily agree. Roger had them packed and ready to leave barely after Jemmy put down the gem. A quick zip through the stones and he’s beaming at life at the ridge. It was so poorly done. I’d have preferred to see him disturbed that it didn’t work.

I hope that this issue is explored in the next season. I think that it‘s reasonable that they didn’t focus on why the stones didn’t work because there was a higher priority of helping Claire, but I hope they don’t just forget it. Is the stones not working specific to these people or is Wendigo stuck too? 

[S05.E12: Never My Love]

3 hours ago, Ziggy said:

Two different men.  The person who thought she was a witch and actually tried to help her was Tebbe.  Wendigo Donner was the time traveling, Native American, who asked her if the name Ringo Starr meant anything to her.  She told Jamie that he was a time traveler and that he did not help her.

I guess I need to stop doing other things while watching the show...

[S05.E12: Never My Love]

Happy Mother’s Day! Enjoy a gang rape! WTF? 

Other than the tone deaf timing of the episode, I rather liked it. 

Bree and Roger, I am glad that they are still part of the story. I do think that they both subconsciously consider this home and now they openly acknowledge it. Now Roger, in particular, can build a life here without one foot in the future. I thought it was very appropriate that he could only confess to killing someone when Bree could not see him...

Fantasy sequence. Everyone looked so cute in their 1960’s garb. Jocasta/Maria Doyle Kennedy in particular. I think I have literally never seen her look so happy in any tv show. Marsali was almost unrecognizable. I enjoyed the retreat to a happy place.

 I assume we will see more of Wendigo next season. I get Claire’s anger, but I am also sympathetic to him. He did help her and tried to prevent the rapes by painting her as a witch.

I hate that this series relies so much on rape. I really hope we’re done with it. But that being said it was portrayed reasonably well, and in this case it was realistic for those men to behave that way—unfortunately. I get that they didn’t want it to be a rift between Claire and Jamie, but she would still be sore so I think they should have waited for them to have sex (which is what I assume happened in that scene).

I am glad that Claire did not kill Lionel. He deserved it but that would have really haunted her. 

 

[S01.E01: Now Entering Sun Valley]

I like the show, but having trouble seeing January Jones as old enough to be Kat’s mother. Agree with the comment about Justin. I hope his character gets fleshed out.

[S05.E11: Journeycake]

Great episode. Very moving, from the euthanasia to the goodbyes.

Agree with everyone that Bree and Lord John have oodles of chemistry. Her temporary idea of them getting married was a really good one if Roger didn’t return.

 I hope Marsali is okay. Without Claire to treat her it’s especially bad.

Glad Ulysses found a way out. I was thinking that he could travel to England with John, so I am glad that happened. His loyalty to Jocasta was even more moving when you realize he didn’t have to stay.

Lizzie barely speaks but she certainly packs a punch when she does.

 The stone traveling was unexpected. I honestly expected them to decide to stay. When I saw their reaction I wondered if they ended up at Craigh Na Dun still in the 18th century. It seemed like they recognized something.

 

[JAG - General Discussion]

Just rewatching JAG on CBS a all access, which for some reason doesn’t have all the episodes. 
 

DJE is ridiculously handsome and I could watch him for hours on end.  However, Harm’s behavior is actually pretty problematic. He could not  admit he loved  Mac but repeatedly undermined her attempts to have a relationship. He was frequently sexist. And frankly, in the episode where he was being tested for being a judge and then when actually was one, he was immature, biased, and derelict of his duty IMO. 

I mostly like Mac, but she should not have gotten engaged to Mic Brumby while she was in love with Harm. In all fairness, he was persistent and didn’t hear her protests. I did enjoy the Australia episodes...

But Harm and Mac do have incredible chemistry. I did not watch the NCIS episodes that other folks have mentioned, but I do think it is a travesty that they did  not end up together. And if they didn’t, I wish Mac had found someone else...

 

 

[S08.E12: Prisoners of War]

I suspect that Carrie might be cautious and not snoop in Yevgeny’s stuff, but look for other sources. That way, she would behave pretty naturally around him 

[S08.E12: Prisoners of War]

6 hours ago, chocolatine said:

That apartment seemed way over the top for me, that whole glamorous sequence seemed like it belonged in a James Bond movie and was a jarring shift from the usual grittiness of the show. Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, and the few Muscovites who can afford that kind of luxury are bound to draw attention to themselves, which is something spies usually avoid. Unless Evgeny got a huge promotion for identifying Anna and turning Carrie and is now a high-ranking government official, their lifestyle doesn't make any sense.

With Saul being elderly and not in the best of health - and apparently retired from the CIA if he's moving to some kind of facility - how is that going to work though? Saul doesn't have anyone whom he can trust with this information after he passes, since Carrie was that person.

The apartment is definitely real estate porn, but I do enjoy that.

It’s possible that Saul is not moving to a facility and is just moving out of the house where he was almost murdered...but perhaps he can officially retire from his high position  and secretly run 1 or 2 assets under cover of retirement.

6 hours ago, dwmarch said:

I also call nonsense on the explicit connection to Snowden because I am certain that the relationship between Snowden and Russia is one way and one way only. For sure Snowden has been interviewed by some high ranking Russian intelligence agents. However, I don't think they haven't been all like "hey dude, check out these missile schematics! There's a Death Star-style flaw in them that we hope no one ever finds out about!" Having said that, I don't think Snowden is dating anyone at the GRU. Still, I don't think Carrie (or any other turned asset) would ever enjoy that level of trust, at least not from what I have read. If someone will betray their home country they will certainly betray their adopted country and there are numerous stories of defectors who have tried to defect back even to places like North Korea where this will always end with the defector getting shot on sight.

However, the biggest thing that stood out to me as unrealistic was the head of the GRU going on live television to play the black box recording and beg the US not to go to war. I can't see that happening in the real world under any circumstances. Do we even know who the current head of the GRU is? I'm not asking. I don't want to know. I'm sure he's a nice fellow and I will be over here minding my own business.

 

Saul's sister was another surprise return. I remember hearing rumors that this season was going to be based in Israel so it was a pleasant surprise that we actually did end up there (or at least in Morocco pretending to be Israel) for a scene or two. Speaking of Saul's sister, I would have laughed hard if it turned out she was old school Mossad and busted out an Uzi when Carrie came for Saul's secret stash.

 

I thought that woman in the bathroom was the one who gave Carrie the deets on the weapon flaw...Carrie herself doesn’t have to have access to anything.

Wasn’t the guy who made the announcement the Russian rep to the UN? He might also be the GRU head, but the announcement seemed appropriate.

 I would have LOVED Dorit being Mossad, even if she didn’t do anything dramatic. Missed opportunity!

[S08.E12: Prisoners of War]

2 minutes ago, HOTNTX53 said:

Did I miss something? I know that after the 2 year jump, it is mentioned that Saul had had a heart attack, but what inference was made about Saul having a terminal illness?

His sister made it sound like he was moving into some facility to be cared for, but I thought it was just a retirement home. Chick interpreted it as more serious. The thing is that he was blooming with health, and the implication was that he was going to be Carrie’s handler—so how could he be dying?

[S08.E12: Prisoners of War]

3 minutes ago, GussieK said:

I liked it. Very satisfying resolution to a morally complex situation. But we didn’t find out what happened in those seven months!  

It does appear that one of the things that happened was some sort of romantic relationship with Yevgeny. She might not have remembered it, but his actions were clearly impacted by it.