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I don't know about Jaclyn. She just seems so forced to me. Almost like she is forcing herself to like him because he is supposedly such a great guy. She does not come across as authentic IMO. If I knew that somebody that I was dating was so taken aback by me in the beginning... I don't think I could have a relationship with that person even if they supposedly had a change of heart .She wasn't attracted to him, didn't even find him attractive, treated him like a buddy with punches to the arm and all that; so I find it hard to buy this lovey-dovey stuff just like I didn't believe it with Jamie and Doug. I guess time will tell.

Davina does across as needy and overly "talky" but as someone else mentioned it is probably because she feels his disconnect. She is not falling all over him like he is probably used to and so he has detached from the whole situation. As a good-looking guy with a good job he probably has his pick of women trying to impress and keep him and Davina does not seem to be that type of woman since she is also self-involved in her own way. As Sean is retreating... she is desperately trying to hold him on to him hence the neediness and all that. I think if he showed some warmth toward her it would actually help to calm her considerably.

Don't know if Sean is a liar or not but something sure seems off about him. He comes across as very self-involved and seems to be trying to play the part of a "nice guy" unfortunately it is not working for him. If he is as manipulative as has been reported... then I don't blame his co-workers for coming forth with the dirt. He put himself out there... he is on TV trying to sell himself as one thing yet seems to be something else entirely. I don't for a second believe that it is Davina or her minions doing this. All of it just rings true to me somehow.

Re: sex too soon. For me, it's not about the man at all. When I have sex is my decision... it's about me. It is about respecting myself and my emotions. Waiting until I feel emotionally and physically ready for that kind of intimacy. Yes, after waiting to have sex, the relationship may ultimately end as most relationships do BUT I would have done due diligence. I think that taking the time to get to know someone before such an intimate act builds trust and respect. I think that sex is bonding for a lot of women (don't think it works quite the same for men IMO) and I want to make sure I am getting attached to someone who is worthy of that. You just cannot know who someone is in a day or two or even a week. When I've had sex too soon (against my better judgment) and later found out the man is a pathological liar or is in a relationship, etc. I felt like a fool and had a lot of regrets knowing that if I had only waited... I would have found these things out. I think most people eventually show their true selves within the first few months. People often pretend in the beginning and try to impress.. but most of us cannot pretend for a lengthy amount of time.

I am liking Jacklyn more and more but wish Ryan would tell her point-black to stop with the bros and buddies and all that stuff. I feel like he has to set boundaries as to what he will accept now because, if not, she will learn that she can walk over him and not have to respect him. Funny thing is, he addresses all these things in his talking heads but never addresses them with Jacklyn... strange. I get that she is taking things slow and has walls up but she goes over the line with bro thing. He needs to let her know that he is not looking for a friend and that she needs to show him that she is willing to engage fully just as he is. Sometimes you have to demand respect to get respect. Davina and Sean- I totally get where Davina was coming from. If I told someone that my mom was a skier and got no response I would be taken aback as well. I mean they barely know each other and already he is ignoring her... not a good sign. When she was crying.. just a small hug or acknowledgement would do. If I see someone that I care about crying... my instinct would be to comfort not joke. He seems very self-involved to me. Granted Davina also seems needy but I don't think she was out of line to address this. She even admitted that she will try to tell him what she needs in the future. Ryan is a douche. Jessica needs to run, run, run. She was totally right and he could not take being called out like that. If you call something on my body trashy... how can I not take that personally. He knew exactly what he was doing, he just did not like being called out on camera. He needles her and calls it joking. I really don't think he likes her that much.If she was someone he thought was up to his standards.... he would never treat her like he does. He thinks Jessica is not attractive enough for him and that she is too low-rent. He will have sex with her, of course, but his feelings are fairly obvious.

I know that everybody is saying that Jaclyn is rough looking but i don't find her to be unattractive at all. Without her make-up, she actually looked much softer and more attractive. I think if she loses the heavy eye makeup and goes with a softer lip she would look a whole lot more youthful and prettier. She has a great body to boot.

I always find it funny when people who make "mean" jokes blame the other person for being too sensitive instead of checking themselves. I have known several people like this and there is never any accountability because it is always that others can't take a joke, are too thin skinned, too uptight, etc. Ryan is a douche... he can couch it however he wants... but if you realize that your spouse is not cool with your behavior then you stop... pure and simple. Ryan needs to speak up with Jaclyn... she is testing him... seeing what she can get away with. No matter how attracted you are to someone and want them to like you... you should never allow them to get away with disrespecting you. It sets a bad precedent. I also find Sean to be too sexual. He knows that Davina wants to wait and he comes across as very juvenile. "Is she noisy during sex?" Really???And you ask that during a massage.

Jaclyn seems way too forceful and aggressive for Ryan... the way she poured out his drink was kind of emasculating IMO. You could tell he was kinda taken aback but didn't say anything. I think this kind of dynamic will be typical of their relationship if they stay together but maybe he will like it. Some men actually seem to enjoy a domineering woman. I cringed and looked away while Davina and Sean were making out on the dance floor. I thought it was just too much... like I was seeing something meant to happen in private.

For goodness sake... are we gonna have the whole suspenseful wait before they all say "I do?" We KNOW that they are all going to get married so why this bullshit. The fake suspense is so ridiculous. I am trying to hold on but it is getting to be too much. Wish they would move it along already.

Great post SweetTooth. You said everything I wanted to say... but so much better. Very well said.

Yeah... I get that. I just wish that Ray would take all this insight that he has into Desi's character and use it on himself and also apply it to Marnie.

Ray telling Desi off (while cool for us viewers)... actually got on my nerves. I thought Ray was extremely out of bounds. Yes Desi is awful but you know what so is Marnie. Ray has this idealized notion of Marnie that I find so annoying. Marnie ALLOWED herself to be strung along, she also knew Desi had a girlfriend and got off on being with him in spite of his relationship. She is as awful as Desi IMO. The fact that Ray cannot see that makes him stupid too. I wish he would move on already. The only reason Ray is so stuck on Marnie... is cause she is supposed to be the hot one so having her would be a "prize." Ray is supposed to be this pragmatic, smart guy yet he certainly is not acting like it.

I don't think a fix is in for Bobby at all. It has been said across the board time and time again that he has really big flavors. Granted I don't really know exactly what that means... but I would assume that it is not only about heat but about flavor combinations as well. He does (from my very pedestrian point of view) seem really good at layering flavors. So all comers should know this and come prepared... I honestly think this is why he rarely loses. He also has has tons and tons of practice. I think it is unfair to diminish his wins to a simple issue of adding some peppers to his dish to make them recognizable. It is also unfair to call in question the integrity of the judges in this way as well. So what if they know which dish is Bobby's... that doesn't necessarily equate to giving him the win. I like Bobby, he comes across as very likable, extremely competent and good-natured. Great TV personality for sure. Glad I am not the only one who thinks Sunny can be a bit much at times. She probably could dial it in just a tad. I get that you have to turn it up for TV but still...

I too found it strange how high and mighty Niecy was acting... strange. Yes MJ can be mean and sometimes her delivery is not the best but she loves her niece and wants the best for her. MJ has been absolutely on point regarding Niecy's life choices... and I get tired of people who only want you in their business when they want your help but get all crazy when you dare to give advice. You want my money, time and help yet you don't want to hear my mouth... you can't have it both ways. I would like to see Niecy stand on her own two feet and make better choices and drop the whole holier than thou bullshit attitude she has now. She should also be apologizing to MJ and thanking her for all she has done. I also agree with the David and MJ storyline. In the movie and season 1, it seemed like they were no more than friends with benefits and now the show has done an almost complete reversal of their relationship. Some consistency would be nice.

I don't know but it seems like Bobby and Curtis actually have a little rivalry going on. Bobby did not seem pleased that he lost to Curtis during their go around. I often wonder if the chefs really care that much about winning when they compete in these shows so much especially Bobby... but I guess they still do. I actually quite like the show and love Bobby on Beat Bobby Flay.

AND wasn't it just recently that Barry declared to Iris that he was over her. He even ate a hot pepper for Linda trying to woo her back. So he was actively lying to Iris AND Linda. If (according to him) he couldn't stop thinking about Iris then he was actively leading on Linda even after she wanted out. Why did he have to go through all that drama with the pepper to get her back when he knew Iris was always on his mind. I just can't with Barry right now. He is cute and dorky... but like someone else mentioned he is pretty immature when it comes to relationships and dating.

I really hated that Anika and Hakeem slept together. Just so tacky. I give Jamal more leeway cause he is young but Annika should know better... this totally cheapens the character IMO. They both are acting like vindictive children... sleeping with each other just to get back at Lucious. I get that Lucious is horrible but I swear his kids act like he owes them his company and his money. They have all benefited greatly from his riches. If they so detest him why don't they cut all ties (including the financial benefits) and make it on their own. They all want to go hard at him while living off his wealth and connections.

Re: Sean being bullied. It is not always about being overweight. He probably was the weak looking skinny kid. Some kids prey on any perceived weakness. It's sad. Yeah... it is really annoying how much they dragged the show out. It is definitely a turn-off. Way too much commentary and unnecessary filler.

First impressions: Ryan and Jessica- Have a feeling he won't be into her that much. She will probably like him though. I see Ryan as maybe wanting a certain type of woman possibly being real rigid maybe superficial about it too. Ryan and Jacklyn- Does not seem to be a good match. He seems "too nice" for her. Not that nice is a bad thing but she seems like that type who needs a man with a bit of an asshole in him... Ryan may be too kind, too thoughtful and too malleable for her. She seems really brassy and high maintenance. Sean and Davinia- May work. Davinia seems kinda self-involved though. I kinda like Sean... think he's cute. I guess we will see as time goes on.

QUOTE Sigh, Iris hate continues to be reaching and so damn transparent. QUOTE So because some people obviously have a different opinion than you it is "reaching and transparent"? Okay then... to each his own I guess. It is not simply that Iris has feelings for Barry and was jealous. I was calling her out on her actions... i.e. moving in with another man after Barry told her about his feelings (when she apparently could not stop thinking about him), passive-aggressiveness with Linda, inappropriate behaviors in front of Eddie and Linda, etc. I called Barry out too for dating Linda when he apparently couldn't stop thinking about Iris. Wrong on all fronts. (Sorry haven't quite figured out how to quote yet).

I guess I am supposed to feel happy that Iris and Barry kissed but I am just so annoyed at the both of them. Iris with all of her passive-aggressive smiley bullshit with Linda when you know what she really wanted to say was "back off bitch... he's mine." Using her fingers to wipe a smudge near Barry's lip when she knows his date (and her man) is watching... just poor underhandedness. Poor Eddie... he deserves better than this mess. If Barry truly wasn't over Iris... he should not have dragged Linda into this. So glad Linda called Iris out..

I thought it was uncool the way Brooklyn took down some of the guys with her comments. I wished that she had chosen her words more carefully. I kinda cringed for some of the guys. I am assuming she likes swagger... which oftentimes is meaningless at the end of the day. What's most important is how a man treats you and your child. Is he loyal, kind, loving and all those other things that are so much more important that superficial swag. However it takes maturity to know this.

Don't feel bad for Jessa at all. She plays games with people's lives just like Mimi-Rose does. Her outrage was comical to watch. She knew how messed up Mimi-Rose is, yet she introduced her to Adam without even a warning... she sucks as a friend. I just don't see why people put up with her shit. She certainly does not put up with other people's stuff.

You are so right. I totally forgot how badly Adam treated Hannah in the beginning. He has been a jerk since the beginning. He was whitewashed a little so I started to really like him... but he brought it all back.