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I think Wind Gap has a strong case of people only seeing what they want to see.

I honestly never really cared about Camille. I just wanted to know who did it. But I did want her to escape the house and not die to leave her mother unpunished and blithely continuing to poison people, in tasteful cardigans. I was worried it might end with inconvenient Camille gone, and the town returning to its trance under Queen Bee Adora, which would be a horror ending of its own. And I felt some satisfaction to see her taking control of her own life and acting like an adult. I think the overwrought end of her essay was ridiculous, and frankly, if those were her true feelings, and she wrote them down where Amma herself could read them, I'd think people would be thinking about taking Amma away from her. So I guess I'll just do a Walking Dead handwave on that.

Attention? Drama? Just guessing. Maybe it was because it would keep Camille there longer, since she was writing about it.

Right? Mae would still be alive. This show made me think of I, Tonya in a way. I left that movie feeling a huge amount of compassion for Tonya because of her upbringing, and still thinking she was terrible. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Adora was on her way up to the bedroom to poison Amma some more, so Camille faked being sick to draw her mother's attention back to her, to protect Amma. And to become a trap.

Not often, but look up the Slenderman case. There's a documentary about it on HBO. 12 year old girls lured a "friend" into the woods and stabbed her to please a fictional character.

I'm having trouble editing this post correctly. Thanks to the people explaining that a roller girl was Ashley's sister. That makes sense now. I watched the first five or six episodes at once and then watched the rest as they came out, and the details on the companions were fuzzy. If I had realized/remembered that, I would have leaned a lot more towards the trio being the culprits, since they had access to where Ashley found the blood. I loved that scene so much...watching Camille penetrate Adora's dreamy bullshit expression that worked on everyone else, and seeing her realize it. Excellent.

I would have hated both those things, so I'm glad they changed them. It gives both those characters an actual arc, and

Ah, okay. That still doesn't explain what they were doing at Ashley's house, long enough to commit a murder and take the body away. I guess they liked to hang out there and swim. Now that I think about it, weren't they all there at her pool while Ashley was at cheerleading practice? Maybe Ashley let people use her pool in her constant quest for popularity? I don't remember much about that scene except it was to make Amma look precocious and John seem threatening. It's a loose end for me.

Okay, I didn't make the connection to the pig chase at all. I binge watched the first five episodes, and it all runs together in my memory anyway, esp with all the flashbacks, etc. But now it makes sense. It now occurs to me that it's intentional. These shows are brands. Leaving you with unanswered questions =more talk shows, more articles, more analysis, more interviews, more clicks, clicks, clicks. $$$ Sort of like how after the original Star Wars, they began including toy merchandise, etc as part of the overall concept. They are selling us a package. We are participating in it right now! Ugh! LOL!

She was so excited about it, too. Ugh, so evil. As far as toxicology, etc goes, she got away with it once, so I'm sure she thought she could do it again. Criminals always up the ante until they get caught. Also, she is crazy. They had Richard make the point that Amma had built up some tolerance to the poison but Camille didn't have any, so it affected her worse. But she did seem to be drinking a ton of it. Her veiled excitement while mixing it up was so chilling. She didn't even stop to wonder why Camille suddenly allowed this. Good point. I never did understand what was going on when Camille followed Amma to the pig farm, and watched her take a pig away. And the way Amma stared at her the last second, because she totally knew Camille was there. I wasn't even sure that happened, because it was so weird and seemed like a hallucination. And was never mentioned again. Never thought about her maybe killing animals just to do it.

So, last episode we were talking about the how the town was sort of under a spell. I wonder if that's the meaning of the Sheriff Vickery not waking up on time and doing his morning routine that last day. Adora's spell was being broken, by Camille.

But I think he's the type that would never admit it even to himself.

I liked the closure with Richard. He was completely overwhelmed by the enormity of what happened in that family, and of Camille's suffering. I think he felt genuinely ashamed of himself for judging her. It also wasn't like, oh, okay, I'll help make it all better. It was too much for him. I felt that scene was more realistic than the typical thriller/drama ending of let's all cry and hug it out with relief and now it's over. (usually with an ambulance blanket around the shoulders) Instead they showed him awkwardly struggling to even find the right words, and then "I'm sorry" is really the only thing to say. And he did save her life. But they didn't get together like a Lifetime movie or something. They made their small moment of peace, and then he left.

Hello, book people. Did the book have Natalie being killed in Ashley's house? I don't understand the connection to Ashley. Also, did Adora KNOW that Amma was doing this? Or maybe kind of know and pretended otherwise? I really liked your whole post. I've never read up on anything about Gillian Flynn, so that was all very interesting about what sounds like her own arrested development. I'm just quoting this one piece, because I had to force myself to finish reading Gone Girl because I hated the characters so much. Nick and Amy were both thoroughly terrible, but Amy, of course, was completely insane. They were both worse in the book than the movie. I only finished it because I really could not figure out how it would end. My dream ending was that Amy would return so that Nick could kill her for real even if it meant going to jail, because it would be worth it! Then he would get the death penalty, and they would both be dead. The End. lol I still like my ending better. Gillian Flynn seems to quite full of herself, considering there are plenty of stories with non-goody goody women in them. I like complex characters, but hers are just awful in every way. I was rooting for Camille by the end of Sharp Objects, at least. I doubt I will ever read it because I'm sure I won't like it.

Yeah, that part was like...wut? Didn't really fit with the character, either, imo. I would think Camille's struggles in raising Amma would be related to her own lack of boundaries and immaturity, like when she did drugs with Amma. Amma was psychologically the more powerful of the two, she was just limited by having a 13yo mind. Edited to add that Camille was also drunk when she was running around with teenagers, and they clearly portrayed her as sober and functional back in St Louis

Because she's crazy, not stupid. I think that would be impossible to prove. At least they let Camille have custody. That was one of the creepiest performances I have ever seen.

Well, yes, that's what made it ambiguous, but it was still a clue. Well, sure, I understand why Amma would have these feelings, but she's also just a bad seed, imo. They certainly make the case for a long line of psychopaths in the family. Marian and Camille didn't become killers. They telegraphed Amma's sociopathy, but not actual violence or rage. Like Natalie biting people and stabbing them in the eyes.

I thought the first half was legitimately terrifying, the scene at the dinner table with Camille staring down Adora was epic. Then I thought she might really die. I assumed she was sacrificing herself to prove Adora was poisoning them, but she has a bit of a death wish, and since I haven't read the book, I didn't know if she was going to survive. That was nightmare territory, hearing someone at the door and not being able to scream for help. And Amma just withdrawing into lala land and not helping her. I felt so much relief when Richard and her boss saved her. I'm not crazy about the abrupt ending but I thought the "don't tell mama" part was great, lol. So psycho! That actress makes my skin crawl. But, yes, questions abound. Especially as to why Natalie got killed in Ashley's house. Ashley didn't seem to be an accomplice, like the roller girls. I guess when she found blood, she thought John really did it? But wtf were they doing in Ashley's bedroom then? I thought the biggest clues as to Amma and roller girls doing it was they were never afraid to skate all over the place when there was a serial killer on the loose, and the sly little comment they made about it, when they said "cool kids like us" didn't need to be afraid. Because they did it. Unfortunately, they didn't explain why Amma had naked rage either.

I have one, and I concur. If a 30 something alcoholic with significant emotional problems was buying him whiskey and hooking up with him or one of his friends, it would be, um, not beautiful. The actor playing John looks like he's out of college, because that's his actual age.

So they're taking a wagon from the Smithsonian or something?

Is there anyone likeable? I also hope it's wrapped up in a satisfying way. BTW, this show has generated a lot of interesting commentary. If you guys like this creepy stuff, check out Requiem on Netflix. It's only six episodes. Creepy English mystery, involving a small town. It has a supernatural element, though, so that's different. I wish more people would watch it for discussion purposes! Yes, they must have had a reason for including that information? And they showed the sheriff doing the exact same routine in the mornings, staring at the crucifix, slapping the wall going down the stairs, like in a superstitious way. Are they just trying to show us all these folks have superstitious tendencies? Does that have something to do with pulling out the girls' teeth?

A series about the Argento family would make this one look quaint.

Wait...Natalie collected spiders. I think you're onto something. Lol. Seriously, thought, brilliant concept.

Thank you! It's been nice to have an actual plot to discuss. lol I can't say I really even LIKE this show, but at least there's something to talk about!