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Wow a girl. I’m surprised though in that family, it’s for the best.

Yeah I didn't realize living in the moment = your dochebag husband sitting in the front of that 4 person bike with with a camera and microphone as if you are a celebrity being followed by a TV station?? Reality is Carlin, Josie, and Alyssa [before social media kind of fell apart for her] all made a HUGE deal of "oh I won't be on here bc I'll be living in the moment," only to come back the day after with picture after picture of EXACTLY what they did that day. Reality is all 3 have realized that if they don't post for a day, their leghumpers miss them and start DM-ing - OMG are you ok; Carlin did you have an episode; are you pregnant blah blah. It strokes the ego and makes them feel like SEE we're right to do this as a career, look what a HUGE following we have. It's looking like these 2 idiots are the only ones attending, no? Maybe G&K will show but seems like Katie's besties Alyssa and Josie are still home, prattling on about slip on shoes and counter tops, with no mad dashes to the airport or references to omg I have so much to pack and it's 5 pm the day before the event? Makes Evan/Carlin all the more pathetic - they desperately just needed something to do/someplace to go to keep their vlog going so off to a nothing gender reveal which is likely nothing more than a balloon release or cake cutting or something for people that are already local - not something you fly in for. And BTW the woman who passed out during a treadmill test on Tues, then drove 3 hrs to Nashville on Wed, sat around an airport for at least 1-2 hr, flew 2 hrs, did a 45 min-1 hr stop at Pats/Genos Cheesesteaks [they're close to the airport but it always takes longer that you'd expect to drive there, find parking and make it thru the lines] around 10-11 pm Wed. night, arrived at her sister's home at midnight, and then on Thursday - spent no less than a half a day at the beach?? Ocean City is close to where they live but again not SO close that you'd go for 45 min. By the time you drive from Berlin, get to OC, park, and get to the area of the boardwalk you want to go to w/ the fries/pizza you want to eat, it's at least 90 min. So it never makes sense to go unless you want to spend at least 3-4 hrs. What is wrong with them?? Their poor kids. They're saddled with parents who think they are college kids with zero responsibility.

Are other siblings not going or are these two over eager and going 3 days early? Everyone else's IG feed right now is the normal - getting hair done, Wed. church, home project BS. Seems like people aren't going or are maybe going the day before what I presume is a Saturday event. Why are these two soooo desperate to arrive on Wed? With kids that were sick with colds or something this weekend, now wandering barefoot thru the airport [I know kids are kids sometimes they can't be stopped and will sit on gross airport carpet but really can't you make sure they're as covered as possible when they do that - with socks??]. I mean supposedly yesterday's testing was rough - at least the treadmill test - and still off we go the next day driving 3 hrs to Nashville and then a 2 hr flight to Phila. and then another 30-45 min drive to Katie's from there? They aren't arriving at Katie's house before 9-10 pm tonight if everything is on time, which with the Phila. airport is a BIG IF. Kind of a lot for a woman who needed cardiac testing yesterday, no?? And Carlin/Evan no person on earth needs to see you getting an echocardiogram. I know the gown was as such that no boob was showing in the direction of the camera but still you can keep certain things to yourself.

Agreed John is against activities. I'm sure some of this is money as he does talk about how money is tight, they aren't good with money etc. I'm sure more of it is - they are just girls, all they need is to be prepped to be wives and moms, Alyssa can do that at home with them + church, how on earth is dance or soccer going to help with wife and mom things. Beyond loving them big picture, I think he is very fundie at heart [if his dad is any example and he says his dad is his role model], so to him children are raised for a purpose. The kid simply being happy or having fun for an hour a week at soccer practice is not enough of a reason for him to "allow" any activity that isn't religion or mothering related - and let's be real will expose them to all kinds of other kids. I mean god heavens the soccer team could have a few Muslim or Jewish or atheist kids?? And while dance is pink and sparkly, let's be real it's his daughter prancing around in little outfits in front of others. As much as these people sexualize children and think about them as someone's wife the moment their born [and in Kelton's case think about their toddlers' virginity], I can see him saying no just for that reason. And something like pop/jazz - then on top of little outfits you have popular music + the moves can be suggestive looking even when they are little girls. So yeah I don't see him agreeing to dance as much as he wouldn't agree to soccer for Lexi. Carlin/Evan go to his niece's dance recitals and encourage Layla when she copies her cousins - they are the only couple I can see putting a daughter in dance, and they are WAY more mainstream than the Webster family.

And this is why they like Lexi the least. I mean they love her blah blah but she is the one of their kids that you know Alyssa and John "worry" about bc she doesn't tow the line. She's the one who wants to play sports. John isn't allowing any daughter of his to be so unfeminine so nope - sorry child - you can instead come watch ME play softball every week but you can't play with little girls your own age. Instead you need to get dolled up to go on birthday dates with daddy to prep for your next headship who should be here in 13-ish yrs - doesn't matter that you don't want to put on tacky plastic jewelry and sit in a restaurant and would rather a dad daughter activity be a trampoline park or watching a baseball game or hitting golf balls. She's the one who says she wants to be a dentist; that's not happening either bc I highly doubt k-12 being plopped in front of a screen readies you to study college level biology, which you need to do to get into dental school. And like Alyssa and John would ever let any daughter delay/back burner marriage until age 26 bc school - lol - no. I feel bad for her. Haven't watched the video but has Alyssa said when she's due? Is it possible she already knows the sex but isn't saying yet bc they need to get eyes on a tacky YouTube gender reveal? Bc I'm thinking they KNOW it's a girl, are annoyed, and are like ok we're done - we'll just be like John's brother with the half dozen girls. Bc I GUARANTEE if they've seen a holy penis they aren't announcing this as the grand finale bc a child with a holy penis needs a brother. He can't grow up surrounded by all sisters - lest he turn out - well . . . you know.

What does Grand Finale mean? Are they claiming this is the last? Because how do you claim that unless it’s followed up by - and I’m having a c section this time so my tubes will be tied at the same time or baby is due on x and John’s vasectomy is scheduled 10 days later? And of course if it’s a boy he gets his own everything and the girls will “want” to be packed together in one small room until suitors start to show up in 12-16 yrs. They will both lose their minds if it’s another girl. Like they didn’t even try to hide their disappointment and lack of interest at Maci’s gender reveal. Though John has said he has a brother w 6 daughters and no boys so he knows it’s possible.

I mean we all know how self centered they are [and let's be honest most Americans right now re the pandemic] but you'd think they'd have the kids tested before going to their PREGNANT sister's house. Whether the kids are going or not, they've been in the same house with kids and now going to a pregnant woman's house. Didn't Josie miscarry right around when they had Covid? And don't they realize Erin's covid induced fertility issues?

Wow they stayed home for an entire weekend?? The kids apparently have colds/fevers. Aren't they traveling to NJ this week too? Not that their kids being sick would keep them from dragging them on a plane - doesn't matter who they infect with what - or dumping them with Evan's parents, whatever they've planned. More time to work on the drab room for 35 year old Layla I guess. And anyone willing to bet that Dumb and Dumber will be getting a Tesla within the next 12 mos given that they'll see Trav's Tesla when they visit? I mean I think E&C do compare A LOT with K&T; honestly I think that drove A LOT of Carlin's anxiety in January-Feb re what if we never get a house because here was her newlywed younger sister moving directly into a house that was gut renovated with top end finishings. They seem to want to ignore that K&T don't need to cobble together a living with IG, YT, and BSB. Sure those two do make side income on social media and Trav has some stay home sales rep gig, but reality is Trav has the kind of family business where dad/grandpa just keep him and his siblings on payroll in some made up gig and with that comes a 200k type paycheck. He's always had that - as he was a STUDENT who bought a renovated a job and drove fancy jeeps. It's like E&C don't want to realize that that's actually very common. Being from one town over from Trav and then living in NYC for a decade, it is hugely common for doctors and lawyers and other high paid professionals to be well into their 30s saving up a down payment, ,while others buy homes at 22 bc mom and dad can hand them a 200-300k down payment [or in south jersey - just buy a house for that much, it's not even just a down payment]. Welcome to the real world of comparison E&C.

Totally my first thought. The "accent wall" will be all white flowers or something or if Layla is SUPER lucky some shade of beige or gray or barely visible pale pink. The fabric they're buying looks white. And yeah her and Josie's kids are 2 - they don't freaking care about their rooms so don't waste $ on it. If you want to waste money on them, maybe get them some bright colorful toys so they have things to play with that are bright colors, not just beige and brown. But then how would you reinforce the - you're a girly girl, see your room has flowers vs. you're a manly boy, see your room has a truck. They don't need a dining table, they're college kids in their own minds - eat over the sink. In reality they are gross slobs and they always feed Layla on the sofa bc we all know little kids are so neat when they eat, they never drop a crumb and never smear their dirty hands everywhere; I assume they use the sofa they paid a few thousand for, rather than the 10k sofa for this. I mean hell one night when she was complaining about date night being canceled, there was Carlin plopping herself down on the couch with dinner - a bag of chips + soda. They completely live as people who were deprived their whole childhoods. I mean they never got snacks. Z has said that if they went to an amusement park/zoo/day trip, Gil would be like, you're lucky we even brought you here, no you can't get a soda/ice cream. Or if Gil splurged on soda he'd literally buy 3-4 sodas for 15 kids and they each got to have a few sips. So cue Carlin - she stuffs Layla with junk [though also out of laziness and not wanting to cook]. I mean not only do they CONSTANTLY buy her snacks, they buy her bags of chips as big as her head. They're no reason a kid that size needs anything beyond a small snack size/kid sized bag. IDK what's wrong with Evan though [I know broad question], it doesn't appear he was raised that way. He doesn't seem like he was that deprived, so I'm surprised he's into getting Layla's treats ALL THE TIME though that may be a daddy's little girl thing. His parents' home also seems more structured and less haphazard that G&K. He grew up with a proper dining table, you'd think he'd want one in his own house bc he doesn't want to eat standing in the kitchen or laying on the sofa.

Uh who showers BEFORE a deep cleaning?? By definition aren’t you getting dusty and dirty and want to hold your shower until after that? I don’t even love to vacuum after shower though I do it - bc you know it stirs up dust. And if they wanted gender neutral colors for a bouncy house - Fisher Price makes a number of them in the $100-180 range in color combos like red/blue/yellow. You know primary colors which kids are supposed to look at. Different colors stimulate different things in the brain which is why for child development purposes you’ll never see a preschool with drab white walls with no color or no colorful posters on walls. I know Carlin (and Josie) don’t allow their kids to wear color beyond white/beige/gray and don’t allow colorful indoor toys lest they clash w the drab beige decor, but outdoor toys have to be white too??

So last week or two weeks ago - conveniently before his firing - Carlin couldn't be left at home alone, so they went to Walmart together for an oil change, wandered the whole store, manis someplace, she sat in the car outside his barber. This morning Evan is out alone with the critical decision of should I get my usual fattening pumpkin spice drink or should I get the lower cal one since I've gained weight, hmm IDK if I like this lower cal one. He's clearly in the car by himself bc if Carlin was there, she would've spoken, you would have heard a kid scream or two; and he walks into the house alone. And then he throws in that he feels guilty for buying coffee bc they have a coffee maker right there in the kitchen . . . clearly he's been reading here/Reddit as people criticize their lifestyle.

Super interesting that G&K had some of their camera/sound guys from UP over at the house and posted a whole video montage of it. They are very clearly pitching another show, which is all the more interesting when Whit said recently that the show was Z's parents' show but they'd let us know if anything was brewing. I mean Law and Tiff came in from Nashville; warring factions Erin and Whit are both there; Tori is there and she hardly participates in these kinds of things; the younger kids look less feral; Isiah is in a freaking suit?? And some of their "fellowshipping" was held at Tori's house. Guaranteed they are trying to get a Counting On kind of spin off - ok we'll leave off the couples that are racist [uh all of them?] but look at all this interesting stuff our married couples are doing [uh making babies], and look we can't be racist, we have an Asian DIL. Interesting to beg your camera and sound guys for a show? Like they have authority regarding production decisions? Hate to say it it also screams a bit like -- look look we can't be racist, we had these black guys over to our house and our kids and grandkids were paying with them. Though maybe don't caption it "some of the guys we've learned to love." Noticeably Carlin and Evan aren't there. Major FOMO over there I'm sure. I kind of wonder if the family - while keeping sweet/spouting God's will - blames Carlin for the cancelation of the show. Not the racist who laughed about George Floyd [Trace], but the one who filmed and posted it and then did a non apology [Carlin].

You’re giving way more credit to their understanding of law than I think they deserve. Yes almost all reality TV has disclaimers. That’s bc producing a reality show is a series of contracts and embedded in those contracts is that producers can take footage and use it in part or in whole or in a different order (ie create a storyline). You know why those disclaimers exist - bc TV channels including small ones like UP have a small army of lawyers who actually watch these shows before they air and make sure the required disclaimers are there so they don’t get sued later for breach of contract, defamation or anything else. A law school classmate of mine actually had that job for NBC for yrs. YT/IG are a free for all, not subject to the same contracts of TV - and here the producers + actors are the same ppl so unless they’re gonna sue themselves, why do disclaimers or even honest admissions matter here? No a viewer can’t sue them for being duped into thinking an event was real. As for them just being honest to their loyal subjects and telling if something is a re-creation - lol the fundie track record on honesty isn’t great esp when it comes down to making $$$.

Am I the only one who has been assuming this whole time that they have been re-creating stuff for the YT/IG audience? They come from a reality TV background where this is common - producers will stick you together and say discuss x and act like you haven't discussed it before bc they need it for the storyline [see the BUB episode where Erin was still part of BSB and was talking about her clotting disorder which Carlin had just been diagnosed with and they were discussing the shots at home as Whit was like "really OMG" "OMG" "I had no idea." BS you 100% knew that your then besties had pregnancy issues, that Erin had had a number of miscarriages and finally when her clotting disorder was treated she was able to have Carson.] IDK I always assumed that when they show Carlin zonked out from meds or whatever, it's re-created to show how she spent the afternoon - bc she's lying in perfect position, nary a hair or bracelet out of place, kids posed up in perfect position right up against her or screaming songs in her ear or whatever. What - it's never happened that she falls asleep like other people - shirt or PJ legs riding up, mouth open, drool? She always sleeps like Sleeping Beauty? While it would be mentally effed up to re-create something traumatic like this, what stops them? Per Reddit they say drs. have told them to record episodes but it's very possible that the dr is getting a recording that is less "lady like" - dress riding up, maybe even underwear shows etc. The one time we KNOW it wasn't a re-created was when Evan was recording her at home after VBS. She seemed out of it that time as Evan kept shoving a camera in her face to update viewers. And oh yeah now mastitis - she drops how she called mom for advice. I guess you can call mom if you have an issue relating to birthing, anything else - too scary for Kelly, nope she doesn't want to know. And so now we get a week of her updating the viewers on the state of her boobs. Can't she stop breastfeeding the kid already? I mean if drs. are suggesting that pregnancy triggered this, why not let your hormones go back to normal ASAP - i.e. stop breastfeeding. He's 5 mos old so it's not even like stopping at 5 days old - it's been a good amount of time. Edited to add - I'm not a dr and not suggesting she stop breastfeeding TODAY. But my God woman given your problems, just be done with the pregnancy, birthing, nursing phase of your life already.

I had no idea Jill went to therapy. They do YT videos right? I don't feel like going back and looking but I kind of want to watch some of hers to see if she touches on therapy. And having been to law school, ok it isn't 40 hrs/wk, but it is usually about 30 hrs/wk in class and this isn't undergrad class where you can just be texting your honey the whole time. And outside of class you're reading at least 150 pgs/night, so she was on her on for the last 3-4 yrs. Granted they did post a video of him studying and I got the sense he finished class and came home ASAP - all studying done at home, not at the library; and as he studied, she'd sit there in his office periodically. I thought it was bizarre and clingy after all these years but at the end of the day she wasn't sitting there chatting it up about how much she loves him blah blah; he was immersed in his studying, she was eating breakfast reading her phone - so it was physically the same room without the omg why don't you talk to me, I miss you sooo much, do you really have to read that blah blah. But @Notabug is right - the difference here is that Derick wanted to do these things whether it was being an accountant or a lawyer and he was getting frustrated with a wife who was so emotionally fragile that he needed to be home all the time, so they worked together to make her more independent and have her realize that independence for a woman isn't some terrible thing despite what her effed up fundie family taught her. Sounds more and more like Carlin needs therapy. I mean she's been taught that only a husband who is around 24-7 cares for you even in normal times. Given what she's going thru now, I feel like she may have it in her head that he can NEVER leave her again to work even once this problem is sorted out bc she is so fragile.

Jesus. I had no idea. That's Jill Dillard level clinginess when she first married. He was an accountant at Walmart HQ, and she used to go sit in his parking lot at work for hours at a time + meet him for lunch in the employee cafeteria daily, leading him to ultimately leave/get fired from that job. She'd say things like why don't you stay home with me as he'd be like uh bc I have to work/make money. Then it was years of wandering around as a missionary, in Central America, divinity school blah blah until he finally got thru to her that in order for them to live even middle class and actually be mainstream, he needed a profession. Over time she became ok being by herself with the kids - and now the kids even leave her for public school all day, he went to law school, and is now a lawyer for the District Attorney's office in some small town in Okla. Maybe Carlin should call or visit Jill and talk to her about how she adjusted? Who am I kidding though. The Bates think they know it all and any "fellowshipping" is surface level. They'd never discuss real problems bc Carlin wouldn't acknowledge that they have problems that aren't being prayed away. And I've always had the sense the Bates consider themselves better and more worldly than the Duggars anyway - look we married handsome guys with professions, we live in homes we bought ourselves, we are more mainstream, we went to Clown College blah blah. Yet the deeper issues of being raised being with your parents 24-7, no work or school for anyone, no friends aside from fellowshipping families, and keeping sweet/praying away all problems are exactly the same.

Agree with @Lisa418722 - the reality of working life was setting in. He would've already gotten his work schedule etc. before Law's wedding and was due to start right after the wedding but then Carlin's episodes started. I think they made it thru school justifying it as - well neither of us went to school before, this is just how it is, they only let you skip x number of classes or you don't graduate, that means only 1 wk for Zade's birth, it's ok it's just a season of life blah blah. But in their own heads once he was an electrician for real, he'd have sooooo much freedom. And then he got smacked with the reality that with most jobs, you EARN vacation time often like a few hrs per pay period, so no you can't just up and vacation 12 times/yr. And yes in skilled trades, the union may only have you working 40 hrs/wk but it CAN BE nights or weekends. BUB had a segment once with John eating dinner with the girls at 5-6 pm and then heading back out to work from 8pm-midnight, as he explained if you have a job with a car dealership or McDonalds, they can't shut down their HVAC during the day for you to work on it. Pretty sure electrical work in office buildings, restaurants etc. is done overnight or on weekends. Carlin was having a meltdown bc he was coming home from school at 9 pm ONE NIGHT/wk. Imagine if he got a six month long job assignment thru the union that was nights?? The horror . . . . I don't wish long covid on anyone, it's so awful. Given how they're trying to make a living on social media, even if a dr. has said to them - we don't know what triggered this but you've had covid 2x, once while pregnant - they'd NEVER breathe a word of that convo online. They know how divisive covid is. It's much more sympathetic to share the part where the dr. said well it could be pregnancy related - bc aww look such a beautiful young couple with a young mom having problems and now they'll only ever have 2 kids. The slightest speculation of long covid will bring out the viewers who'll say - you never masked, you traveled non stop, why don't you get the freaking vaccine etc. I wonder if they'd get vaccinated even now if drs. said they should? Evan's bro went out of his way to make fun of people getting the vax. The only fundies that have openly said they are vaccinated are Jill and Derick Dillard, and Jill has become far more mainstream since marrying Derick. Chad/Erin did say once that her issues were caused by long covid - and they caught some flack for that - but they also weren't trying to make a living solely via social media. And my feeling re the kids is they avoid the real pediatrician and just go to urgent care when possible bc the damn pediatricians keep finding things wrong when nothing is wrong [i.e. we don't want to know] - hole in Layla's heart, Layla's growth, now they'll label poor Zade an asthmatic when he just has a cold, NBD.

While I def feel bad for her and anyone who has a scary health issue like this, their handling of it is + their behavior before this is what makes me roll my eyes as she goes on about - he's worked soooo hard and now bc of me is career is on hold OMG. Carlin sweetie it was THIS YEAR [before health issues] when you staged a photo shoot at 6 am, perfect hair and makeup, BAWLING bc your sweetie had to go to school/apprenticeship and you'd be home alone. So really how supportive are you of his career? And btw IDK what your fundie parents told you, but this is what grown ups do - spend the day apart bc they have to work; it's not all gazing into your honey's eyes 24-7. And if career REALLY mattered, there was really no time in the last 3 months that they could even have TRIED intermittent FMLA? They couldn't have tried to see if it worked with a nanny/Whit/her parents so he could work for a few weeks, even part time - before deciding NOPE it won't work? And Evan are drs. REALLY saying see if you can extend your FMLA? Maybe drs. are saying she can't be alone or with the kids alone, ok fine, but no dr in their right mind is going to say ONLY HUSBAND can stay home. You're seeing drs. in freaking Knoxville not Beverly Hills - like they're used to people needing to pay the mortgage, and I doubt they see too many people that are so independently wealthy that leaving work is NBD. FWIW I stopped watching their YTs permanently when Carlin had her crying emotional breakdown of - OMG we keep getting outbid, what if we don't get a house, Lord's will blah blah. Even then I was like morons - what goes up must come down, you shouldn't even be trying to buy in a market where houses are going for all cash, 50k over ask etc. But hey they HAD TO BUY ASAP lest Katie and Alyssa have houses and they don't. Well congrats on buying at the absolute peak of the market + I guarantee putting down no more than 3-10% [as he was just a student and their YT wasn't as big then], which means on top of the mortgage they also are paying mortgage insurance which you do for down payments under 20%. Selling and moving to Nashville for his parents' help so he can work isn't even an option for a long time bc they're under water. PLUS they've used all their cash for this down payment - cue crying from Carlin re what if we never own a house [and Nashville is a pricier market, every type of house costs more than in Knox]. Aside from her medical issues, something seems wrong with her - whether anxiety, being raised to keep sweet/pray it away, being uneducated, hopping from wedding to 2 kids/house/husband gone 40 hrs/wk all in 3 yrs . . . .

Usually it's about $3-5 per 100k views. It's a pretty standard metric and people who do social media analytics have been confirming it on Reddit as I guess they can tell by looking at the stats on accounts what they'd generally make. So their EMERGENCY videos at first which were bringing in 500k views were making them $2500/wk, which I think got Evan pretty excited. But if you look at the views, there's only like 2-3 videos that got that many hits - right at the beginning when people were very curious. Their usual boring content - like crying hysterical tears about moving out of a rental or renovating the new house or whatever brings in closer to 150-200k views = $750-1000/wk. Hope Evan is watching his stats closely because lately even when he spins videos as medical updates, they're still getting about 200-250k views as people largely aren't THAT interested so that = $1000-1250/wk. Not saying $1250 wk is bad money as its = 65k/yr plus whatever they get from BSB which ain't much given their hordes of unsold inventory. 65k isn't bad money but not usually buy a big house and eat out constantly and vacation constantly w/ 2 kids in tow money either. And we don't KNOW they're on COBRA, for all we know they're on Medicaid [they're def sneaky enough to hide all the income to show the state they need Medicaid] - which then would make sense why they have to wait until a dr. says they can go to Mayo. But if they are on COBRA for a family of 4 even on a cheap HMO plan, that's no less than $1000/month [and if it were a good plan, closer to $1800-2000/mo].

Guess they aren't getting enough hits on YT bc they are now previewing their videos on IG hoping people will go watch. Reality is they've gone from 400-500k views per week for OMG EMERGENCY to back to the 200k views no matter how much they hype it up. That's a weekly income hit of $1000-1500 per week bc us snarkers just won't go watch - lol. But IG previews it all for those who don't want to watch for them to make $. It's got Carlin seizing and convulsing on concrete - WTF - who wants to show that and what was Evan holding a phone with the other hand?? It addresses that Evan asked for an FMLA extension and his company said no they'd have to fire him, with Carlin sitting there teary about how her man is putting his life on hold for her after working sooo hard for 5 yrs with Evan playing doting husband so - no babe it isn't your fault, I'm happy to do it. And they throw in the bit about Zade having a cough so Evan took him to urgent care. Um do their kids not have a regular pediatrician - they use drop by services to manage care of an infant who has had a cold for a month?? Edited to Add: Per Reddit people who've watched - they apparently considered hiring 1-2 ppl to watch Carlin and the kids so Evan could work but the cost of that and the discomfort of being away from Carlin was too much. [Uh isn't he away from her when she goes shopping with her sisters etc. or even at church when he's off socializing with someone else. Like they didn't even try it for a week to see if it'd work or see if he could be away 4 hrs/day and thus work PT?] And she's going to have an inpatient EEG for 5 days in Oct. and if that doesn't figure this out, she's going to be referred to Mayo. What is stopping them from going to Mayo on their own now? I wonder if they have an HMO thru his job [and now thru COBRA] so they need a referral - I would assume so as those are the cheapest plans but given that they get drs to order cardiology tests even w the drs saying it probably isn't going to show anything, why not start bugging the drs to go to Mayo NOW and then Mayo finishes the testing and figures it out once and for all? Rather than waiting until Oct, referrals in Nov, then you hopefully get in by year end. I mean this started in May - you could even present it as - we need this sorted out so Evan can go back to work FT w/ some comfort that Carlin will be safe on her meds w/ just a nanny at home, bc we just bought a house and have 2 kids. Shockingly drs. do understand practical realities like that and they don't expect that all their patients have YT income??

Let's be real these fools [along with Law/Tiff] go to Target and run SO MANY errands because they need something to do. I'm sorry but it is unnatural to be 24-27 years old and not working [or if you're a stay home parent doing things like cooking, cleaning etc. - something besides doing your makeup in the mirror]. At those ages, most everyone has a job or maybe you're in extended schooling that's demanding like med school or law school. This complete lack of structure or obligation is how fundies roll [i.e. the Duggars as well as G&K]. With no one going off to work and no kids to get off to school at 7 am, life is perpetual summer vacation -- roll out of bed between 10am-noon, can't be bothered to cook or do dishes so eat whatever junk, their big event of the day is ERRANDS and then grabbing Chick Fila or Sonic or Sbux, and then they come home from errands and it's "family time" - as if they haven't just spent all day hanging with the family doing nothing. For these 2 morons they think they "work" bc they go to BSB on Tuesday and Thursday - like rolling in at 10am and being done by 2pm. And somehow this lifestyle glorifies Jesus. IDK how - maybe by not being in work situations where there could be heathens? Because let's be real they ain't sitting in prayer 24-7. They mock other religions but there are other religions that pray 5 times/day. I have no actual proof but I think for mental health, all people need more to do and more structure than that. It keeps you going, and in life the more you do, the more you are able to do - esp. at young ages. To Carlin that dumbass list of dropping off the dog, drs. appt, stopping by school and Target was A LOT TO DO bc they don't get that people do all these things WITH A FULLTIME JOB. These people all live the retiree life where errands are the HIGHLIGHT of life and we have all seen how retirees who have nothing else - no other life interests to keep them going - tend to age faster.

She's bringing her germy young kids - or at least one - bc Carlin said something about her kids being so excited. But I mean come on Covid has never been real for these people. They didn't mask ever, they didn't vaccinate - they certainly aren't going to now, doesn't matter if their infant needs breathing treatments or not. I mean I remember the "masks" they wore on a few flights to Fla. bc they were running back and forth to Alyssa's as Katie got her wedding dress in Fla or something. These masks must've been made for 300 lb men bc they were so freaking big that Carlin and her attention whoring sisters didn't even have to pull down their masks to show their face on IG, the masks sat like 6 inches off their face. And Lord Kelton was a big fan of masks below the nose so he technically couldn't be denied boarding back then but no masks for that macho plumber AND when his 2 yr old was masked correctly and not fussing with it, he'd pull the mask down "so she could breathe." This family deserves each other they are so freaking stupid.

That was the first thing that jumped out at me too - Carlin saying they have SUCH a busy day and then listing out that they are dropping off the dog for grooming, going to a dr. appt, picking up paperwork at school, going to Target [for the 3000th time this month], and cleaning up the house before Joy comes. Uh it's as if it never occurs to stay home fundies that people with jobs do all of these things regularly, just around the job?? The time that Evan worked as an apprentice - which I think is the last 2 yrs of school - counts as time with the union. Bet you he's picking up a form from school that certifies that he's done 2 yrs with the union. Bc the school is prob like - oh this is a temporary family issue - well we can't send the union paperwork to any union employer so take this bc when you go do your next 18 yrs with the union, you'll qualify for the $$ pension, why lose those 2 yrs. Little do they know the moron they're dealing with who is like pension - what - who cares, God will provide. And I'm unclear what "partying" for Evan's bday involved? I mean the day before they sat in Teslas, went to Dicks Sporting Goods, and dinner at a Japanese restaurant. Day of was just Layla babbling/screaming happy bday to him?? Woohoo party time. They're 24-27 years old, do they really have no friends besides that sweet pastor they chase?? And let me guess with Joy arriving prob from Thursday night-Sunday, woohooo party time -- i.e. Carlin is back to staying up until 1 am for a few nights? I get it you want to hang with your bestie but if lack of rest doesn't go well for you, then wind it down by 10-11 each night, I'm sure Joy will understand.

Can someone explain Evan's constant begging for a Tesla? Do they think their leghumpers will pitch in and buy them one? Do they think Tesla is going to give them a sponsorship? You're unemployed and plugging together a living on social media + your wife's dress shop bro and oh yeah you have 2 kids and a mortgage. Maybe set your sights on something where the cheapest model isn't 48k?? And even a used Tesla [since even the oldest ones on the market aren't super old] is going to be 35k. But per Reddit he went on in some YT video 2 wks ago about wanting a Tesla [as Carlin was quick to say - you have to pay my medical bills - THAT's what they want leghumpers to chip in on]. Then the other day Carlin was going on about how maybe she'd rent him a Tesla for his bday but he was like no that'd be such a tease. And tonight, yep they're at a Tesla dealership. Not just driving thru the lot but inside the dealership sitting in the cars, and probably picking up the rental. And yep there's Carlin walking around holding Layla. Layla walks, why does Carlin pick her up in public spaces given her condition?? And yeah so Zade had a cold and breathing treatment like 2 trips to Nashville ago - so like 3-4 wks ago and STILL hasn't kicked that cold and now needed a breathing treatment again?? At least now they bought a pediatric sized mask, in no doubt due to all the criticism they got on Reddit last time for using a nasty used adult sized mask. But yeah if it's been a month and your 4 month old hasn't kicked a cold, maybe look into it further and actually try to show up on time to that drs. appt. God forbid their kids ever need anything, they are such self absorbed morons.

I do wonder how much she’s told drs about her lifestyle. Cardiology and I imagine neurology tend not to ask a ton about lifestyle but sometimes cardiologists do ask about caffeine, drinking, salt intake, sleep, and hydration. Is she thinking and answering truthfully or is she more like nah I never get coffee at Sbux and glossing over the fact that Sbux non coffee drinks have caffeine too, the corn dogs from Sonic and chips that they always have on hand are high in salt etc. Is Evan speaking up and saying well several of the episodes have been the day after staying up until 2 am at her parents’ “partying” and then running someplace else the next day? I feel like bc she grew up in a family where primary care was a foreign concept, she’s never been around a dr who’ll talk to her about that stuff. Primary care is usually the one discussing food choices or sleep or day to day life things like that if the need arises. Thing is she grew up in a family like this - unscheduled, unstructured, eat whatever, sleep whenever - and her 50+ yr old parents are fine, as are many other families like the Duggars so to her how could sleep or coffee or running around for no apparent reason matter here?! But the reality is G&K have lived a life with way fewer health problems than their daughters AFAIK. Sometimes what a healthy as a horse person can do isn’t the same as what someone who needs to take care of her health does. Not saying meals or sleep will solve her issue but really could 3 meals/day and consistent sleep hurt here? And not that it’ll solve her medical problems but I wish she’d reconcile with Erin, who knows what health problems can be like, and hang with Tori more - simply bc she and Tori grew up together and it could only help mentally.