ZeroDiscipline

I had to actually stop listening so that I could properly chuckle at Dave's "or at least they could have used the zippers" after you recapped Kelly's pissface at how the police cut open the couch cushions. Even funnier considered that he has never watched this show. He is a bit of an unsung hero, ladies.

Andrea's parents were totally right-- she did through her life away. Things never got really got any better for her after this. Remember how miserable she was at the 5 year reunion? And divorced, to boot! Everyone should always listen to their parents, about everything, because they are always right.

Why even have the pregnancy story at that point? I mean really, it's not like it's going to get more ridiculous. I kind of thought she was maybe 5 months and just showing really early. But 7 months? You've been ignoring it this long, what's another 2 months? Give her a job in the library and sack books in front of her. Really, what was the point? For real. It seems like they wanted her off the show and this was a great way to (clumsily) do it.

Easy to bone? I dunno. Funny how it was pointed out that Kelly, Donna and Dylan got involved in drugs. Like no one learned from David or Jackie at all. David learned from David. He knew the ish when Coke Kelly and Coke Colin the crappy artist happened. Yes, but to be fair, Valerie noticed it first and David was smart enough to know she is always correct about such things.

I absolutely loved Kelly's drug phase. The show pretty much died when she came back from rehab.

I feel like Will Chase will come back as a guest sometime. He fricking loves being Luke Wheeler, and if he has a break from the Broadway show, or it closes, he would love to show off in Nashville. Layla should stay away forever though.

He only gave her $10,000, but because Val is SMART she knew that they recovered around $8 million and Jonesy got half (I remember he got half because when he told Dylan that's what he wanted Dylan was all "Half? What are we, married????" and that always makes me chuckle.) She assumed the $10,000 was some sort of down payment. When Dylan balked she went to Jonesy, and I think he gave her some cash in exchange for a favor later, which later involved her going undercover as a prostitute. I hate that story.

Dylan is so dumb. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Suzanne pretty much outed herself as a scam artist right here. Real smooth, with your "how the hell did you find out about THAT?" That's classic, like when my college roommate in the dorms busted her boyfriend cheating on her back home with a "I know all about Sheila." And then Suzanne has the balls to double down and appeal to Dylan's douchey nature by telling him Erica might not even be Jack's kid, whatever. Odd that after all this, Dylan's response is "It's fine, take all my money, sketchy stranger who even admits Jack may not even be her kid's father!" We all should have seen it coming, like Jim Walsh definitely did. I guess the silver lining is that we get to see Dylan get screwed over, don't have to feel bad about it, and then this all leads to the awesome duo of Jonesy and Valerie next year.

What makes Dylan think he is not also a dirtbag? Seems Kelly and Brenda have always had terrible taste in men, what makes him think he is any different?

I think Jesse would have been fine, had that relationship unfolded more naturally. I think they really messed up the show saddling Andrea with an unplanned pregnancy at 18. She was the only one of those dorks who understood the value of education, it would have been nice if they would have let her be a role model for the others. If the actress wanted off the show, they could have easily shipped her off to Yale to make a new start, instead of saddling her with a family. All of that drama was way too much for this show. I mean, remember the hospital stuff? When the baby was a preemie? All of that was unnecessary, and weighed everything down, a lot like Kelly and David bickering about their parents' divorce and actively taking a role in their custody battle. Anyhoo. I didn't know I felt so strongly about this. I did like when Jesse put Dylan in his place over his white privilage, and how it pertains to the law, when they were living together.

If they weren't first cousins? So he would be fine macking on her if they were second cousins? GROSS ME OUT THE DOOR. I wish he would have said "If we weren't cousins" so I don't have to think about it.

And another thing. When Dylan was all "you never trusted my dad either and he turned out way different." Jack McKay did not turn out to be anything other than what Jim Walsh thought! He got out of jail and was trying to take control of Dylan's trust fund almost immediately after his release, and then he got killed by mobsters. I'm pretty sure Jim Walsh expected all of that. And I know Jack McKay was retconned into the witness protection program, but at this point he was very much a crook. Ugh. Make up your mind, show.

Godammit Brandon does NOT know what it is like for his twin sister to work for minimum wage at a tire plant. I hate him more than ever, and we just started.

I am completely re-thinking my 90s experience. I am the same age as the Bev 9ers. Brandon's comment about picking up chicks at Take Back the Night was totally gross, but a very common "joke" around things like this. My liberal arts college in a small Minnesota town had Take Back the Night, and a Women's Resource Center independent of the college. One of my friends worked there, and it was a running joke amongst the guys to be all douchey and "I should stop in there and learn to pick up chicks!" Like yeah, I am so sure abused women trying to save their own lives by fleeing their abusive partners are super into privileged teenaged college dorks. Also, The quarterback of the Vikings at the time was Warren Moon. His wife spoke at a Take Back the Night rally, all about how he used to beat her. But he kept on playing football, without repercussions.

I love this, and I love you for name dropping him, but I think you mean Sean Donnelly. I don't know much about coke sniffing, but do people do it with rolled-up checks? Is that a thing? Because I thought you are supposed to snort coke with a cash bill, because the paper money is made out of is stronger then regular paper. At least, that is how it works when you roll joints of marijuana.

And in the high school time capsule episode (season two, maybe?) Brandon submits a Twins jersey after their 1991 World Series victory against, sniff sniff, my Braves. I feel like the Twins winning the World Series in 1991 may be the actual reason it was decided the Walshes would be from Minnesota, instead of Wisconsin or Iowa or Illinois or some other midwestern state. Minnesota was having something of a moment in the early 90s, what with the Twins winning the World Series, Mall of America opening, and.......Prince, I guess? That show "Coach", airing around the same time, was set in Minnesota too.

I'm with you on that. As much as I'm a SD sympathizer, I actually get anxious for this season to end so we can get to the Valerie goodness. I don't care about logic or morals, in the Kelly V. Valerie debate I am firmly #teamvalerienowandforever. She brings such much needed spice to the show. I could have easily watchd an entire spin-off of Valerie & Jonsie PI! They were so much more fun than anything on 90210. Be prepared for me to irrationally take Valerie's side in all debates despite that absolute wrongness of everything she does. I love her so! Best bad girl since Lucy Ewing! I am so with you. I will defend Valerie to the ends of the earth, especially when Brandon and Kelly get all up in her business. I mean, who cares if she smokes pot in her room? Or fakes a pregnancy and also an abortion to get money from the married man she's dating???? Mind your own business, squeefs.

I do believe there is a photo or something brief in a future episode that proves Erica is Jack's daughter, and Suzanne was not actually lying about that.

As much as Dylan sucks, he is not wrong when shutting down Kelly's temper tantrum over the ridiculous pool party. He is very calm and reasonable when he says "This is not like Paris. All of your friends are here." And why would you think Dylan would ever want to go to a pool party. They should just break up.

I am going to have to disagree and say I love Brenda and David dancing at the pool party. They are both really good dancers, and I always liked how Brenda loved dancing and just did it, without being self-conscious. When she goes out with Stuart, he's all "Do you dance?" and she's all "yeah!" and it's really fun, and shows how she actually is the fun and cool one in that group of tight-asses. Dylan would dance with her. I loved to dance when I was a teenager/young adult too, it's kind of the only time in life where you can do such things. Shannen really does have some moves, probably cultivated whilst hitting the L.A. clubs underage with Tori Spelling around that time.

As much as I want to, I just can't fault David here. He is acting exactly as any horny 18 year old who has been constantly left with blue balls by his very immature girlfriend would. This is also when Brian Austin Green starts getting kind of hot (hair notwithstanding) so yeah baby, spread your wings and fly right out of that beach house of kindergarten. I look forward to your comments on his cycle of meth addiction, and assume you will make note of his hat he wears when he does that.

I feel like that was the original intent, but someone smarter than the other writers said "But wasn't he a rapist then? Are we really going to say that Kelly is going to forgive and maybe even get back together with her rapist? Instead, we are supposed to assume that because of Mr. No Blanket, Kelly became slutty and John Sears was just one of many guys she slept with because she decided to be slutty. This is all pretty horrifying, and would have been handled a lot differently nowadays. Kelly and Val get back at Mr. No Blanket at the 5 year reunion, but it's still really stupid. That reminds me-- are you really going to watch and podcast all of those horrible post-college episodes? I mean, I will definitely listen, but that sounds like such torture. If you need an out, I would say you could shut it down after the 5 year reunion episode.

It was the beginning of a very long end. I like the finale for this season a lot, but the leadup is so terrible. And then there is some good stuff briefly when Valerie arrives, the momentum of which is killed when Kelly gets stuck in that fire and becomes sooooo laaaaaaaame. And it was kind of good again when they got some new people like Colin Blow and Humorless Susan and Ray Pruit with one T cuz his momma couldn't afford another the following year. But this show is pretty much over once Kelly and Colin Blow break up for good and she goes to rehab. There was no coming back from that Single White Female subplot.

I'm saying at this point in the series, Ohndrea was routinely getting the D from outside the group. Brenda did have some takers, but they usually had a major character flaw. Rick was such a dorky beauhunk who was exactly like her father!

For all the goofing on Ohndrea that we all do, so far she is the only one of the girls who can interest boys from outside their group. Her boyfriends Jay the Republican and Jordan Bonner were both total catches.