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OK! Yes, it's all just highly and hugely insulting to Li who was the one there when he was growing up. Has he even spent any time with the woman who raised him and saved his life after Sheila shot him? And naturally the writers never have Finn question Sheila about when she decided to enter his life and why. She obviously knew where he was and who he was. She only came out of the woodwork when he got involved with the Forrester's. Not to belabor the point, but Lauren told Deacon the entire Sheila/Sugar story and he's just okay with all that and sees Sheila as a victim? Make any of this make sense.

In general I of course feel that if an adopted kid wants to know his/he birth parents, then they should. Absolutely. My issue here is: Sheila shot Finn point blank range. Then after his mother saved his life, Sheila kidnapped him and almost let him die! She also shot the woman he allegedly loves. Why am I supposed to believe Finn is so desperate to have a relationship with this psychopath. It just makes no sense to me. It's dumb and more than a bit insulting to the woman who raised him. Furthermore, Sheila isn't suddenly well or better or good. Have either Deacon or Finn thought about what Sheila did to Sugar? Of course not, and now the writers are attempting to shorthand some kind of redemption for Sheila. I just can't with this show. And seriously they bring Ivy back for Liam? That gorgeous, intelligent woman has been pining over that waffle. Just stop it.

Throuple?

If this was all it was, I'd agree. This is typical soap stuff. However, it also involves Luna's lack of consent. She was drugged, she wasn't able to give consent. Bold writers love the 'ol 'misunderstanding' situations that aren't really misunderstandings. Zende was sober and knew something was up, knew Luna wasn't into him in any way and still had sex with her. That's where my issue lies with this storyline. Not that sex and cheating happened but rather the how of it. And the writers could have easily avoided the issue, it's not that difficult. Have Luna torn between these two guys. She's with RJ but can't deny she's also attracted to Zende. One night, she and Zende are talking and boom they have sex. What does she do? She wants both guys.. Now that's some drama without the rape-y vibes. I'd be down for that! If it means removing Deacon from the whole Sheila thing, I'm good.

On this point, I'm on Steffy's side. I'm thoroughly annoyed that Deacon was/is in 'love' with Sheila. Uggghh is all I have to say for that alleged relationship. I don't care one bit about Sheila. I don't care about her damn toes. I want the character to just be legit dead. And I want Deacon to get with practically anyone other than Sheila. This version of Ridge is the worst. I will never understand why the show sticks with this recast. You can't tell me there aren't any other actors available ... ones with actual charm and charisma.

That's a fair point but at the same time (hair or not), there was a world of difference between 40-50 year old Ridge and a 20 something Oliver and yet we were supposed to believe Brooke couldn't tell the difference! But as far as Z and RJ, it's more than just hair. Luna has had sex with RJ and knows his ...moves and his body. Heck Z wouldn't kiss the same! Anytime any show does this stupid stuff with a look a like or a misunderstanding, the writers act as though the touch, the kisses and the sex would be exactly the same and the partner could never tell the difference. It's ridiculous and stupid but it's been a soap staple for many a year.

If I was to believe Brooke couldn't tell the difference between Ridge and Hope's boyfriend Oliver, then I guess I'm supposed to believe this! That's fair but then again Quinn was a very willing participant. Also, Carter and Quinn were fire which is far more than I can say about Zende and Luna or Luna and RJ. Plus every character on this show is a hypocrite! And they are wasting him on nine or ten toes.

Practically the only time I ever really enjoyed Brooke was this pairing. I loved Brooke and Thorne. That being said, the conclusion was just rage inducing. I don't think anything about this Sheila isn't dead story makes much sense and certainly no surprise at all that she's still alive, but whatever. I'm over Sheila. I'm tired of Steffy complaining about her. I don't care about Finn's feelings about his birth mother (he didn't know her at all and what he knew was she shot him and his wife but sure he's so broken up over her 'death'). I'm done with Deacon and his alleged love of Sheila. Just stop it. And while I think hooking up Hope and Finn would be amazing just because of Steffy, I still don't want to see it. I don't need Hope and Steffy once again at odds over a dude. Isn't it creepy enough they are at odds over Steffy's brother?!? I know most here don't like Taylor but I thought the current actress had chemistry with Deacon. I'd rather watch that than him blathering about 10 toes.

I saw this reported and found this quote very telling.

When I think of a pairing being hot, it's more about the chemistry. Sure appearances are a part of that but these actors tend to keep themselves in pretty good shape (esp compared to the rest of the population). I don't think any current pairing really has a ton of chemistry but perhaps it's because love stories aren't written as love stories anymore. I remember waiting forever for some of my favorite couples to kiss for the first time or to say I love you for the first time. It seems to me soaps have forgotten that anticipation in pairings. Perhaps the current writers can fix some of that, I guess we'll see.

I'm going to be the lone outlier on this, but I rather like Carly and Jason together. At least when it seems like SBu is actually working a bit rather than borging. Admittedly, I haven't watched GH regularly since way way way back so I have missed most of Jason's pairings. Do Jason and Carly have a ton of heat? Well no. But then again what pairing on this show really does? It feels like the romance and sex part of daytime is gone on this show. How have soaps become more conservative all these years later?!? Though I'm not thoroughly attached to Sam/Dante and Elizabeth/Finn, I basically like them. I'd much rather Jason isn't put with Sam or Elizabeth (which seem to be the only other choices currently on canvas) and so the default is Carly. Plus I do not want her with Sonny (yet again) or back with Drew. Oddly enough, I find Drew and Nina kind of compelling. Keep exploring that show! Ava is for sure in on this evul plan against Sonny and I am here for it. Of course Sonny will win in the end (when does he ever not win) but I will take some villain plotting against him until then. I agree with everyone saying the show has improved. It really really has. I love the longer scenes. I love the characters mixing together more.

To be honest, I'm still burning with rage over the language in some of those letters. I mean my god! 'That poor adult who was pushed into temptation by a child he could no longer resist.' For shame people, for shame. Also? GROOOOOSSSS! I was on some site reading about this show and someone in the comments said he had worked in the entertainment biz a long time and worked with a lot of people and no one creeped him out more than Dan Schneider. I gotta say Schneider is creeping me out just watching this.

I'm watching the whole thing right now and I too got that vibe. I hope not but only her mom is interviewed (at least so far) and I don't get a good feeling about it. I'm far too old to have watched any of these Nick shows but I read Jeannette McCurdy's book and when I saw an ad for this I knew I'd have to watch. Yeah I have to say at least Drake Bell's dad knew something was up and warned his ex wife. At least Bell's mom called the police when he told her. And even his gf's mom was trying to get him help. I know terrible stuff goes on in Hollywood all the time but this is tough to watch.

So much this. Yes, Sheila was his birth mother but he didn't know her at all. Were there tons of bonding scenes that I somehow FF'd through?!? He watched her shoot Steffy and himself point blank. Then once his mom saved his life, Sheila nearly killed him again by holding him hostage. I mean come on. I know people tend to forget all the bad stuff about a person when they die, but this is ridiculous. Plus even if he didn't want to take everyone's else's word about Sheila's past, there is this thing called google and the internet! I hate when soaps do this. It's stupid and boring. Much like the Luna and RJ pairing.

Currently, this show is incapable of balancing more than one story at a time. I'm not sure why. I think of all of Steffy's relationships, her best chemistry (maybe only) was with Bill. The show should have had the balls to stick with that. I would agree that current Ridge and KA Taylor had more chemistry than he has with KKL, but KA and KKL had more together than with him! RJ and Luna are dull and chemistry free for me. Sadly the show seems determined to push them. I think the actors playing Thomas and Hope do have chemistry but them being together makes no sense given his past actions regarding her. Thomas is just problematic period.

It's a wonder Sonny isn't struck lightning the moment he steps foot into a church or chapel. Anna heard about Sonny and Karen and still boo hoo's with him over Dante? Make it stop already. A mob boss is not a good guy and is not a man of the people. You know what would be refreshing? If characters didn't act like people coming back from the 'dead' was impossible or shocking. I mean come on at this point how many Port Chuck citizens have done this?!? I am team Jagger all the way. Those scenes with Sonny were gold.

I wish but this is Sheila, so there is no way she's really dead!

The first episode available on the app is from 1967, the first day of Dr Karen from Germany. She met Dr Anger in the Chief of Staff office and Dr Anger picked a fight with her. Later Dr Anger got into a physical fight with another dr over Althea ... I think. I'm used to slower moving older soaps and enjoy them very much. I've been watching Dark Shadows too.

I have never watched this show but I see the episodes are on the it's real good tv app. The app doesn't work on my roku (the ad before the episode starts works just fine and then it crashes) but does work fine on my apple tv. I think it will be fun to explore an old soap which has to feature better writing than anything on the shows currently left. At least I hope so. I'll post more once I get a few episodes watched. I sure hope someone will be here!!

But ... that's exactly who she is! Sheila shot and almost killed Steffy and Finn not that long ago. Plus she held Finn captive. Not to mention all of her other crimes. Geez slipping Brooke booze wasn't that long ago either! Why should/would any of these characters give her a break or believe she's been magically changed by Deacon's dick? I no more believe that than I believe Thomas has been changed by the wonder of Hope's va-jay-jay! Exactly. No character on this show or Y&R should ever be treating Sheila like she's a normal because she isn't. I don't think anyone should be getting in her face because she will get revenge.

They are a meh for me. I mean I'm glad Hope has escaped Liam (for now) but I just do not like her with Thomas. Of couples currently on screen, I guess they are the best the show has but that is faint praise from me and there isn't much to pick from! In the past, my favorite Brooke pairing ever was with Thorne. They were awesome. She also had a ton of chemistry with Deacon but that story was pretty icky!! I loved Wyatt and Katie so naturally it ended. I loved currentRidge and Caroline II, so naturally it ended. I loved Quinn and Carter so naturally it ended. Even Wyatt and Hope were pretty good so naturally it ended. Bill and Katie had chemistry at the beginning but that ended a long time ago. Bill and Brooke were hawt but naturally this show ruined them (remember Bill choosing Skye over Brooke? Skye of course was a building. Good times).

And contrary to perhaps your belief from responses here, I have no issue with your opinion or interpretation with what happened on screen and I respect your opinion. I just don't happen agree with you overall! Well sure but my opinion is as paid writers they ought to be able to bring drama to the show without sexual assault. It can't possibly be that difficult, In fact I find this route incredibly lazy. Because this isn't the first time this show has gone down this particular road. It's not even the 2nd time. We are currently at roughly the 6th or 7th time and that's sad and again lazy. Do I think there was malicious intent in Zende's actions? I never typed that and after thinking about it some, I'd agree and say no there wasn't. However, he certainly wasn't thinking about RJ or Luna's feelings. He knows without a doubt they are together. He knows without a doubt she has no romantic interest in him. He knows she might consider building a friendship (which for most folks wouldn't mean sex). And yet he did what he did. I agree! Sadly it just keeps Sheila around and I really hate that! Free Deacon!

In my experience watching this show? No. I never get nice things!

BUT she knows now and knows she couldn't consent and knows she thought she was with RJ and not Zende and knows why she thought that! And the writers still have her spouting lines about agreeing this was a consensual mistake! She was drugged, she cannot consent to sex. Period. And I am sorry but again, Zende is more than aware of her disinterest in him. He is more than aware that she loves RJ. He is more than aware she hasn't shown ANY romantic interest in him. And yet? He had sex with her. He knew darn well all of that night was out of character. He had to have noticed something wasn't right but let's pretend he didn't notice her being out of it. He still should have wondered wtf was going on. He still should have stopped and thought 'gee this isn't right to do to RJ.' But nope, Zende just had sex with her. These writers are utterly gross to repeatedly go back to this same type storyline again and again.

But isn't this just the writers giving themselves an out for this horrid storyline? Just because Luna is agreeing with Zende that it's a consensual mistake, doesn't mean it is consensual. All it means is she is going along with that story and isn't going to get authorities involved. However, legally a person who is under the influence cannot give consent. This. Dubious consent is a good way to put it. The characterization of all these scenes as misunderstandings is just incredibility insulting and gross. And the thing is, it would have been very simple to write the story as Luna feeling torn between these two guys. To her being attracted to both and allow her to have scenes building relationships with both. B&B loves triangles almost as much as sexual assault, so why not just write it as a genuine triangle right from jump? As it is, sure Zende didn't know Luna was drugged but darn well knew she wasn't acting at all in character. She has been very clear with this dude about her feelings for RJ. Zende absolutely knows Luna is with RJ - that's not been in question - so it is super creepy for him to just jump her bones like he did.