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Hannah admitting she didn't care about Luke's actions on the rugby date? These two deserve each other.

I could TOTALLY see them together in real life.

It must also be the shared faith? They must have cut some of their connection to make Luke and Hannah look worse. The TPTB have shown so many times that they do not give af about the lead. Every single episode so far has been about Luke. Maybe he is our future bachelor?

It was also the kilts...and the pool table...and the bed. Just felt like a lot early in the season, and I'm no prude. But this is why I can't ever go on the bachelor or be the bachelorette. lol

Not enough Tyler...That is all.

That group date was...a lot...for episode 4. lol I could never be the bachelorette.

That's true for most of the men there, except Luke P. She has a good group. Too bad she doesn't pay most of them any attention.

I thought he signed up, but wasn't going to go when his dad got sick, and then his dad told him to go? That meant they watched after he signed up, but when he was still debating whether or not to go. I can also buy number 2 because Colton's breakup with her was really sad IMO--taking her to meet his parents, her excitement until she realized she was about to be dumped and her face dropped. I didn't like her during Colton's season, and I felt bad. Side note: He would made a sexy pairing with Caelynn, if she had been chosen.

On instagram, Tyler just posted a pic of a house he built that was put under contract. So he does actually build houses. The more I think about it. I want RS to be wrong and for Tyler to lose so he can be the bachelor. I disagree that he wouldn't have a shot if not chosen. Peter and Mike are not stiff competition, at all. But RS would know if he's wrong by now, wouldn't he? *** There are sooo many Luke vs Luke previews. It feels like they are setting Hannah up for a big fall from grace. I also believe she likely had more than physical chemistry with Luke, but that's all they show. It's like TPTB want the audience to turn against her. They KNOW viewers will not like her decision to keep Luke P. I don't know why TPTB do their leads this way.

What I meant was I think Hannah is totes capable of leading on men to get what she wants, and will be able to do it with ease. Because she doesn’t seem to care very much about the guys’ emotions, but she can fake it like she does. I can tell though she doesn’t care about hurting feelings. She doesn’t come off as very empathetic. She’s pretty self-absorbed. All of which I think comes from her being a pageant queen. Tyler, to me, actually comes off as empathetic. I’m sure he’s good with women, but I don’t get the feeling he spends every waking moment thinking about only his emotions like Hannah does. I believe if/when Hannah drops him, he will still wish her well and happiness. That’s how he comes off to me. I don’t dislike Hannah, but I don’t think she needs protection from big bad Tyler any more than he needs from her. She also doesn’t need protection from big bad Luke, like people have been saying. She feels like she has Luke; he is there for her. He doesn’t have any hold on her though. She will easily get rid of him once she gets assurance she has another one in her back pocket ready to commit to her like Luke. Jed isn’t there yet. After seeing more of her, I get why she said she was similar to Kaitlyn. The difference is Hannah will smile it up and say the right things and pretend to give AF to be a good “bachelorette,” instead of being honest about not giving AF, like Kaitlyn.

^ Hannah is just as likely to play Tyler as he is to play her. IMO She’s a pageant queen. All of her looks are practiced. She still seems obsessed with Luke and Jed anyway. IMO

^ I disagree about Tyler's airtime. Even when he does get alone time with Hannah, starting from ep. 2 on, they only give short glimpses of it, i.e. at the football tailgate. Jed, Peter, and Luke's time with Hannah gets more airtime AND promotion. And every single promo they release is about Jed, Peter, or Luke. They just released behind the scenes footage with Jed and Hannah making out from next week's episode, when Jed got several previews last week. Peter got a preview last week too, and he was on a group date. Tyler's date got no promo before the show aired, even though they were serenaded by a relatively popular singer, and I bet his time with Hannah next week get's none. Mike is another one that gets more airtime than Tyler, and Hannah isn't even attracted to him. I get your point about Luke P drama. But I don't believe Tyler is saying nothing about Luke P, when the whole cast hates him and clearly sat around talking about him. They are just not showing it. IMO

So Jed and Hannah together this weekend again for the CMAs in Nashville, according to reddit. I'm going to be honest..I really only like Tyler and Hannah because Tyler is so hot. I can ship Tyler with someone else on BIP or as THE BACHELOR. And I was a bit shocked by the spoiler because I didn't think Tyler was her type. But if Tyler does not win, why doesn't he get more airtime??? Did he upset someone? I don't understand! Peter, Luke and Jed get sooo much airtime AND promo. No contestant gets more love than Tyler and TPTB mostly pay him dust. I'm annoyed.

I feel the same. I wasn’t going to check the spoilers this season, but after watching the first couple episodes, I wanted to know whether it was worth investing. It was looking like none of the guys I like were going to go far, so I wanted to know her top 6. Now that I know Tyler and Peter are up there, I’m invested. I wasn’t looking for detailed spoilers.

^ She better get ready. They’re going to edit this season as if Luke was her first choice until he lashed out on her during fantasy dates. Their “connection” is going to be the only thing people want to talk about from her season. She’s going to have to defend it.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been mentioned on that board. But a middle schooler or high schooler from Juniper, teenaged boy, said he spotted Hannah on Tyler’s boat last week under one of Hannah’s posts. Seems weird for a teenage boy to care enough to troll about the bachelor. And we know Tyler has been doing a lot of boating. Also Tyler is in NY or NJ now according to posts on social media. I think it’s likely Tyler and Hannah are just just more savvy on social media than previous pairings because they are younger. Tyler also knows he is being watched, and his family. His mom posted Hannah Ellen’s cube interview where she was blushing over Tyler, mom said she loved it, then mom deleted it shortly after folks started talking about it on reddit. I think people are also thrown by the fact that Jed is not sad but I’m in the small camp of folks that believe Jed was never really into her, and he got his platform. He promoted his concerts the day of his one on one. Why would he be sad? I think her true first choice was Luke. I think Jed is a default F2 after that date we saw.

I went back and watched some of her old instagram stories from before Colton’s season that she has pinned in her background. In one, she was expressing how she wasn’t where she thought she would be in life. She thought she would’ve had a good normal job, money, fiancé etc. She had to have been only 22 or 23 and was already thinking about marriage, and she mentioned she long list of potential kids’ names she had jotted down somewhere. It seems like she interned at the interior design company during college or right after, and then went back to pageants and won Miss Alabama, which took her on a different trajectory. The thing is...I can see her living a simple life down south some where AND I can see her doing something media related in LA. It’s not really clear to me the life she wants. But her interest in dudes like Luke and Jed, leads me to believe that traditional house-wife down south is still appealing to her.

I go back and forth. On the one hand, I really like the idea of Hannah and Tyler based on what we’ve seen so far because I think Tyler would be really good for her by helping her with her anxiety and insecurities. I also kinda think that Hannah fakes being dumb sometimes. I think she received some “how to get a husband” training and that was a part of it...what she was trained to do to get guys like Luke P, who she was conditioned to see as husband material. I also wouldn’t be surprised if she was starving herself. BUT, as I said, I only like the idea of Tyler and Hannah based on what I’ve seen. If she continues to cry and obsess over Luke (which I fear she might based on the previews), and Tyler continues to have to play the role of the guy that wipes the tears of the girl he wants who is obsessing over the wrong guy, I’m going to be turned off. It was ok for Tyler to play that role for ONE date, I don’t want that to be his role this season. I will be screaming at the tv for him to walk off the show and find someone with sense and taste.

I know the conversation has to be with him, but I still wonder how it starts, like does he straight up ask if she's been having sex in the fantasy suits? On a similar note, Hannah is rolling around in a bed with Tyler next week in his kilt and Luke is on that date according to the preview. Tyler doesn't strike me as a kiss and tell guy buuuut Luke HAS to find out.

Yes yes yes. They teased in a preview a voiceover from Hannah crying and worrying about being judged (not the Jesus still loves me scene). I immediately thought that was about the other guys questioning why she is keeping Luke P around before this ep, now I know it has to be about her keeping Luke around. A preview also included a voiceover from Jed saying he didn't understand why Luke was still there. And the voiceover from last night's preview from Jed talking about a snake has to be about Luke. They tried to make it appear like it's about Tyler but he's def talking about Luke. The other men are going to start side-eyeing her BIG time after Luke's latest stunt. Her crying saying "she's definitely going to do what she wants to do" is prob also about Luke. Girl wants him BAD. Very curious how the men will respond. 'Tis the season of Luke P.

Maybe I do too but I'm with you. Hannah is 24. There is really no rush for her to tie herself to a Luke or aspiring country singer for the rest of her life. I hear a lot of people saying things wouldn't work out with her and Tyler long-term because he's too different but w/e I think they would have just as much as a shot as the alternatives. And, if chooses Tyler, at least it would be something different for her and lots of hot hot fun. I know she went to school with and probably dated guys like Jed and Luke.

Model is the side gig I think. He just started, it looks like, after completing his master's end of the last year and then football didn't work out. His mom said he just took the FL exam for general contractors before leaving for the bachelorette. I believe his father is a general contractor and after his other passions didn't work out he decided to join the family business. I think he's modeling for money in between careers.

He can help her with her insecurities too. Hannah comes off as if she says in her head "I need to be perfect" "I need to do everything right" "Am I good enough" 24/7, which isn't uncommon for someone who has been doing talent competitions and pageants since she was a child. I really think Tyler would help her with that or Peter. It's why I don't like Luke or Jed with her. She would 100% feel the need to be perfect with Luke. And I don't think a life running around supporting her man's musical aspirations would be good for her either, which is what life with Jed would be like.

I didn’t feel it from Jed towards Hannah, either. It’s hard for me to even see Jed getting down on one knee for Hannah. People keep comparing them to Arie and Lauren but they are more like Rachel and Peter to me. Rachel wanted Peter; he clearly checked her boxes; she put in ALL her effort on their dates. Bryan she didn’t trust; thought was insincere; but they had smoking chemistry. Regardless how you feel about Bryan (he’s not my type either), Bryan wanted her. Peter was just not into her and would not get down on one knee for her (ever IMO) so I was glad she eventually woke up. Difference between Hannah and Rachel, is that Rachel is over a decade older with way more relationship experience. So I don’t know what Hannah will do.

I wonder if her approach to the bachelorette will change. I agree with others she often comes off as trying to hard. It wasn’t until her date with Tyler that she stopped putting on a show. Her date with Jed was such a stark contrast for that reason. I wonder if she will go back to her usual Bachelorette self or take a different approach now.