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As far as gold-diggers go, her game must be BAAAAD, because at the very least she could have snagged herself a retirement fund that doesn't grope other women in her presence.

Ah, see, while I understand being extra sensitive at times and taking things the wrong way, I disagree that Aviva trivialized Carols' career. (Surprise, surprise, eh? :- ) Just like I don't see how you trivialized the other lady's job. If any job was trivialized it was yours and only yours, regardless of whether you did the exact same thing or not. It was your reality that it looked like fun, and for anyone to insist otherwise trivializes how you felt, your opinion, and your reality at the time. Same goes for the Aviva/Carol drama.

Oh, come on. That's not fair. She's also known for being a bit of a nut.

George said and did some pretty nasty things.

Yeah, the "really mad" excuse doesn't work for others, why does Carol get so much mileage out of it.

That does make sense. Too bad she ended up looking like a condescending jerk to some of us.

Exactly. She could have used that opportunity to impress us with her superiority and vast knowledge of the industry, making Aviva look like a silly wannabe by contrast, but nope. Instead she gave us lines like: "I mean, I’m a writer." "I mean, I was a journalist." I mean, as someone who hasn't read any of her books and was thinking about maybe doing so, I was very unimpressed by that.

I guess she used it to bond with Sonja instead.

Perhaps she was able to get through law school, and maybe even do very well, because what she was learning wasn't personal. I think Aviva, like Ramona, is very defensive, and when she feels wronged, there is no room for rationalizing in her brain, just for fighting back and hard.

I don't fault Carol for being upset about the lies about her own work, either. I just don't believe that simple question would have had any kind of effect on Carol's reputation. It wasn't a declaration, just a question. At that point, Aviva was lying about her own work, not about Carol's. That only taints Aviva, not Carol. Now the spreading of rumors and using Bill Whitworth's name like if she was in the know is another story. But that occurred after. No doubt Aviva's reaction to her perceived slight was vicious and grossly out of proportion, as was her reaction to the girl's trip last season, but Carol made a mountain out of a holemill in terms of what was actually said in that first scene. For RHONY discussions maybe we should change it to: a lie can travel around the world in the time it takes Aviva to take off her leg?

It's a clip in which they discuss Harry and Luann leaving the party together. At one point Luann mentions that Harry still calls her, and that's when you hear Ramona's comment while Sonja is saying something else. lol

I'm not sure if this is part of the First Looks but it is on the Bravo website as a preview. According to Ramona, Harry calls everybody that has hair and...two legs. hee Guess when it comes to Aviva he doesn't go back for seconds.

That's what it looked like to me. If we follow Carol's logic with regards to Aviva's essay not being a book, well, the writing Carol did in her 15 year career as a journalist was not a book, either. She's the one who turned it into a pissing match.

I don't think there has been any mention about ghostwriting itself not being a big deal. What I don't see as a big deal is the question that started this whole drama. A question Carol could have answered with a simple no, as Aviva did when Carol repeatedly questioned her. Aviva could have been inquiring about ghostwriters and changed her mind. But even if Carol knew for a fact that Aviva was lying, why did that matter to her at that point? Aviva lying does not in any way take anything away from "What Remains" having been a success and well-written by most accounts. I just don’t see anything that would indicate Aviva was trying to malign Carol's career in that scene. In subsequent scenes, oh yeah, but not in that initial scene. Also, Aviva's experience may very well have been like writing an e-mail, whether she had a ghostwriter or not.

I'm sick and with nothing better do to so I'm watching that episode again. Once again I feel that it was much ado about absolutely nothing. Carole clearly still had issues with Aviva and was maybe overly sensitive, taking things the wrong way. OK, kids, here is that scene in a nutshell: There was talk about the hot guys moving Aviva, pasta, and the eyeglasses and "good look" that Carole apparently owns the rights to. Then Carole asks what Aviva has been up to, and the whole writing bit started. She mentioned it being fun, and even says that had it been a novel it would have been different but since it's a memoir she was writing in her own voice. There is talk about the editing process, in which Carole claims to edit every single word or letter or whatever. And then, the question from Carol: "Did you end up hiring a writer?" Aviva said no. Probably confused if there had in fact been off-air conversations about this, Carol kept asking. Aviva kept saying, "No. I just wrote." Then the e-mailing line followed by Carols' TH about how it's not like writing an e-mail and that saying those things undermines those who spend forever honing the craft. Then Carol says, "I thought u were going to hire someone." And once again Aviva says no, and reminds Carol about her Chicken Soup essay. Carol said that was not a book. And Aviva asks if "What Remains" was her first book. Writer Girl starts with the whole "I mean, I was a journalist for 15 years and wrote a lot blah blah." Aviva says that she wrote a lot of essays, and asks Carole if she ghosted her books. I don't see why that would be so insulting if it's not true, but whatever. Carols responds, "I mean, I'm a writer." Aviva says, "OK, but even though WR was your first book you did it yourself, right?" It sounds like she also asks, "Was it scary?" But it's hard to tell because Carole is back on her "I'm a writer, 20 years, blah, blah..." And then a TH from Carol about not understanding Aviva's agenda. I mean, what's the big deal? I mean, really.

I think Luann's outfit might have looked nicer in a different color, like maybe an emerald green. Carole looked horrible. Hope she's gone back to being a brunette. And enough with the great ass talk, already. You have to look really hard to actually see it.

I don't think so, either. It was just a dream scenario to shake things up a bit with someone who is smart enough and successful enough to do that. Overall, I liked this season, but if they are not going to give us more house porn, more charity meetings/events, Fashion Week, shopping sprees, St. Bart's-like destinations, snooty parties and even more of their business hustle, then throw a monkey wrench in there and let us see some real drama. Feels like Kristin gave us the most this season, but I just found her scenes to be boring. Her storyline felt very Anytown, USA, to me. That is not why I watch RHONYC. Back on topic: Anyone like LuAnn's look? I go back and forth on this one. I sort off like the wacky earring in the same color as the dress, showing on the side with the plunging neckline (because it feels very Luann to me), but then the color and material reminds me of a hooker I saw once.

That's because at 70-something, they ARE elder berries!

Her insistence that Aviva's experience undermined real writers who slaved for years trying to hone their craft was something that really bugged me about Carole during "book gate." In my opinion, that attitude in itself undermines those writers who are gifted enough to write a book-length manuscript in a very short period of time. Although I find Writer Girl, and all of them, really, likeable enough, there have been moments in which I have wanted to throw a plastic glass at each and every one of them, and the book story line had me aiming for Carole as well as Aviva. She was condescending and gave as good as she got, playing just as dirty with the insults and the diagnoses of different mental conditions. Of course, Aviva, like Ramona, just takes things too far, but Carole wasn't an innocent angel. She revealed her insecurities about her writing career, which is why, bringing Bethenny back, as horrible as she can be, would make me the happiest RHONY junkie ever. I'd love to see the dynamics between Beth and every one of these ladies. How would Carol react, having someone around who also had a bestselling book (done on a Blackberry, no less) and who has a much quicker wit? What about the know-it-all entrepreneurs, Heather and Josh, interacting with someone who struck gold in business? Imagine Bone-Ya trying to compare her "empire" with Bethenny's! And Ramona... Do we know if they are still friendly after Ramona was proven right about Beth and Jason? Two shapewear lines, two billboards (Beth-Peta), two bestselling books, two or three (Sonja's canned wine lol)booze businesses, four branding experts (Heather, Josh, Beth and Sonja!) and all those "special" personalities wrapped up in one show. One can dream.

Now that's something we can all believe. She's been a busy "connector" since the age of 14.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! LMAO! Did you get that picture from her Playboy pictorial?

In my fantasy casting of season 7, Bethenny comes back. I would LOVE to see Heather and Beth interacting.

She was a connector of her mouth to golden dicks?

There's definitely a tuck of some kind. I'm also on my way to hell.

You might think differently if you were married to Josh. I'd probably welcome being knocked out for a few hours, too! Actually, that sounds like a nice little vacation for BOTH of them.