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I don't feel sorry for Tom at all. Re-watching Season 1 and you see Tom, again and again, reveling in being A Rich Man, and willing to sacrifice others for it: He went after the business magnate's daughter to climb the ladder. He set Greg up to take the fall for the cruise division, and then included Shiv in the conspiracy ("And Greg's expendable, you know?"). He left his best friends out in the cold at the bachelor party. He left his best friends out in the cold. Tom is a weasel. For all of Shiv's sexual infidelity, she's otherwise had his back. If Tom gets hauled in by the feds, I don't see him claiming Shiv never knew anything that was going on, not if implicating her will get him off with a fine. Matthew MacFayden is great, btw.

Lori? I am not set on one person yet, but only Siobhan would be worse, for Mare.

I started this topic because I was thinking about Frank and Faye, Frank and Mare, and their interesting dynamics. Frank and Faye differ from most of the other characters on the show because we haven't yet seen the fallout from their flaws or misdeeds. Everyone else is shown to have all sorts of character weaknesses, but life at Frank and Fayes? Happy town. The worst deed we have seen from Frank, so far, is that he lied to Mare about knowing Erin. Other than that, Frank appears to be one of the most well-adjusted, emotionally supportive people on the show. Examples are his attempt to help Erin (if taken at face value), and his talk with Siobhan on 5/16 show. Basically, we are shown Frank to be a sort of a prince, compared to the other men on the show who are involved with all kinds of god-knows-what. Frank lives across the street and invited Mare's best friends, cousins and own mother to his engagement party. Does he have no friends of his own? I mean, wow, that's some modern liberation if you're still sharing the friends after a divorce - but family, even? If you were Faye, why would you want to marry a dude who isn't ready to break away from his ex-wife's family, while you and the ex-wife are ambivalent to each other? I think it's more than safe to assume everyone blames Mare for the divorce. Even for Northeasterners, even though she claimed not to want them at the anniversary, what they did to her in going to Frank's was brutally cold. That her daughter co-planned it for that same night was a slap in the face. Either we have yet to see Mare's absolute worst behavior still come to light, ie, something that might justify all the crap, or she needs to walk away from that town. She is already alone, so why not?

Talk about the inhabitants of Easttown, their characters strengths, flaws, and relationships.

Well, it is Mare of Easttown, not Mare & Zabel of... Fwiw. And I'm really looking forward to the next scene with Mare and Zabel's mom, because it may give some hint as to how dysfunctional either or both women are.

Is Billy Ross Jess's dad? That would be/could be one of her motives for misdirection, in addition to whatever hold Dylan has over her. We've seen a lot of people acting guilty but leaving a nearly full beer wins the sweepstakes. Poor Zabel. At least he got a good kiss in. I'm surprised we didn't get any mention of Mare blowing Richard off, tho. I re-watched episode 1 tonight and noticed the sound of thunder in the teens/park scenes. Could Erin have fallen into the creek and floated downstream in a flash flood? Edit: no, Jess is a Riley, not a Ross.

https://decider.com/2021/05/14/hbo-sunday-night-the-nevers-episode-6-mare-of-easttown-episode-5-shockers/

Forgive me if this isn't the place for it, but Jean Smart watchers need to know HBO is debuting a short (2 episodes?) run called Hacks. I'm watching right now.

The more I think about it, the less comfortable I am about Zabel hitting on Mare a second time.

Anyone who wants LBGT stories to go away is bound for disappointment. For the relationship end of the storytelling entertainment world, it's like getting to dig in a gold mine shaft that has only recently become safe from cave-ins.

Mare admitted, in the family meeting, she planted the drugs. Good point about peoples' weight, although most of the men are laborers so they'll be leaner. Frank? The priests? Richard? You might expect all of them to have more pudge. Richard doesn't strike me as the kind of dude who goes running every morning, but he sure looks it. Then again, half the town also has a nicotine habit so maybe that helps.

Here's a screen cap from the promo

You know .. it's really horrible but after Episode 2, I had the feeling that Mare knew exactly where Katie is. Now that it's taken this turn, my first reaction was to go, "okay, no, I guess not." But what if Mare, herself, is part of the ring? And Erin somehow got mixed up in it, without Mare knowing. That would blow the whole thing up. sidenote: I wonder what cigarette brand Mare smoked before she switched to vaping?

Geez, my heart broke for at least 4 characters tonight. I'm still getting thoughts together and need to watch again, but: I'm glad Mare confirmed she put the dope in the car, and why. What she did was shitty, but after that flashback, I can't say I blame her. What Carrie and Kevin did would have gotten them both behind bars, if they hadn't ripped off and beaten a family member who might have felt obligated to protect her son so fuck. That. Shit. Mare owes Carrie no fucks. (Still: as a police detective, where the hell is Mare's self defense training? Is there a PTSD issue that leaves her unable to cope when physical violence enters the picture?) Aside from the stellar script and acting, I think what I admire most about this series is how it depicts the victims of these so-called victimless crimes. Poor Dawn. I'm sure I'm not the only one who saw that coming. LOVE Helen sneaking the ice cream. I wonder when the mess in the breadbin will be discovered. Did Mare make two dates for Saturday? That's so Marsha Brady. So ... Where's Bennie's Tavern? Surely it's not the same from episode 1.

Omg savage.

I will entertain any plausible theory as long as no hard fact, that we see/have seen as scripted, contradicts it. Here for the ride.

Noticed. But that's the way it is with so many divorced households and always has been. Maybe I'm just sticking up for Mare because she's the protagonist, but she didn't get the way she is by growing up in a healthy household. The father she idolizes was probably a lot less than perfect, and we saw last night that her mother is a-OK about humiliating her in front of a lover.

It could be something. Or it could be the producers wanting justification to add a sex scene with a pretty young woman. Or two.

I'm going to spec in for Lori: she had access to John's gun, that Kenny used to shoot Dylan. If John slept with Erin, she could have done it from either jealousy, or fear of what Kenny would do if he found out. If it turns out the bullets match, I guess we'll know.

What I'm getting at is, did Mare planted the drugs with the assumption Carrie would do something on her own to get pulled over, or did Mare engineer the traffic stop as well. Although it wouldn't justify her approach, it would indicate there's every possibility it won't be the last time Carrie gets pulled over before a court date can happen for custody.

Agree on the Frank stuff, but about Carrie, I'm starting to wonder why she got pulled over in the first place. If Mare called in an anonymous tip or a favor, it wasn't implied, so who's to say that book is closed?

Wow. Ok. Talk about a character arc. Along with all of Mare's other previous descriptors, we can now add, 'takes the law into her own hands.' Who was the grafittist on the video tape, and why did Mare think the best thing to do was let them off the hook? What were the things she did, other than be a working mother, that made her son (and daughter) hate her so much? We have a nervous priest and Zabel struck me as a little uptight, too, wanting to wrap up at the park and the way his eyes were darting all over the place when he described the case that gave him his professional reputation. If we were to speculate that he could be the killer, could it be he was going to set someone up for the crime and claim credit for solving it, and the priest is a red herring? Helen was a bitch when Richard came over. It was fun for her but she made her daughter squirm. We have seen so many of Mare's flaws and failures, but no woman gets to be as messed up as Mare is when she's got a stellar support system. I enjoyed Mare and Richard's uncomfortable date. Sad and funny to see how broken they both are. They could be made to help each other heal, or tear each other apart even worse. And Faye sure looked nasty. It's funny that Mare's family thinks Faye is so cool, when she is so obviously hostile to Mare. There's got to be something truly awful, that she did, to make them so angry at her.

I'm not going to hate Richard for ignoring Mare at the lit party. I am going to hate him for not realizing she's going to be bored AF while he is working the crowd, and not advising her to bring a friend and drink all the booze they want.

Rewatching this episode right now and you know, one of the art direction things that is just so right in telegraphing who these people are, is the afghans you see in Mare's home. When you've grown up without money for the nice things you see at Macy's, the emotional link from having that afghan your grandma made, even after you're doing well enough to afford a Suburban, is huge.

I think 3/4 of the country must be so completely filled up by suburbia they have no idea what the small cities in the Northeast look like. What if there is only one murder? Is it possible Katie is alive somewhere?