S01.E06: Hell is Empty and All the Devils Are Here

[Irlandesa]

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A violent act escalates tensions between the Montagues and Capulets to dangerous levels;  Rosaline finds herself in a compromising position.

 

Edited July 23, 2017 by Irlandesa

[pigs-in-space]

I am so bummed that next week's episode is likely the last.  I'm sure Benvolio will be saved, but I hate that we'll likely not get to see him and Rosaline get together.  His expression when Rosaline was forced to go along with Paris's lies were amazing.

And man, Escalus is a super-shitty ruler, and he seems to put himself in bad situations constantly.  Benvolio might've freed Rosaline if Escalus hadn't crashed that party.  (Also, I love that Benvolio didn't run, but instead followed to try and help her.

I so called it that after Lord Capulet said he saw Juliet, Lady Capulet was going to go and try to see her too.  She is crazy but she's consistent in her craziness.

[Enero]

This was disappointing after the fun of last week and really wasted a LOT of time on nonsense i.e. repeating scenes we'd already seen numerous times, people spending pointless minutes in Juliet's crypt and once again it had way too many stories going and thus felt disjointed. The whole battle over Capulet Cathedral kind went nowhere as well, probably because they wanted to provide filler until they were ready for the real drama at the end of the episode. 

Escalus continues to be an idiot Prince and deserves the crown to be snatched from him. And I'm assuming all the drama we seen with the massacres etc. went on while Isabella was in Venice? Lady Capulet claims she's inflicting all this carnage to avenge Juliet's death, but it makes absolutely no sense. Because she started this "war" before she knew Juliet married a Montague. Her motivation seems to be about power, pure and simple.

Not that it matters, since the show is cancelled, but I'm finding the only characters I truly enjoy is Benvolio and Rosalind, together and apart. Everyone else, at least in this episode, was bordering on unlikeable or straight up insufferable. Their absence from this episode was greatly felt and almost made this eppy IMHO unwatchable. 

The finale looks good, but also unsatisfying. I'm disappointed that we won't get to see the potential that is Benvolio/Rosalind realized. 

[Irlandesa]

The fact that we spent so much time with everyone but Benvolio and Rosaline felt like a waste with essentially only one episode to go.  Next week is advertised as the season finale but I do think they've accelerated some things as doesn't it seem like Lady Capulet is going to have a change of heart based on her moments with Juliet's body?

[Kuther2000]

Why wouldn't Count Paris just marry Isabella when he gets rid of Escalus? She is a more advantageous match and at least has some claim to the throne of Verona so it doesn't look like he is usurping.

What type of reputation does Count Paris have that the servant lady knew? Of course, I thought he was a scoundrel and murderer but has he done something that even the servants are aware of.

So everyone knows the truth about Lady Capulet and the Capulet brother.

[legaleagle53]

2 hours ago, Kuther2000 said:

Why wouldn't Count Paris just marry Isabella when he gets rid of Escalus? She is a more advantageous match and at least has some claim to the throne of Verona so it doesn't look like he is usurping.

It depends on how closely related he is to her.  I know cousin marriages were actually fairly common in those days and there really wasn't any legal or moral objection to them the way there would be today, but I have to wonder how Verona would react if Paris married Isabella, since that would be at least technically incest because they ARE related.

[Kuther2000]

11 minutes ago, legaleagle53 said:

It depends on how closely related he is to her.  I know cousin marriages were actually fairly common in those days and there really wasn't any legal or moral objection to them the way there would be today, but I have to wonder how Verona would react if Paris married Isabella, since that would be at least technically incest because they ARE related.

We don't know if they are related in the Still Star Crossed universe and like you said cousin marriages were fairly common in those days. We even have them legalized today. I wouldn't think that it would be a problem of the populous. If they were to say anything about it, I call foul. Its the he murdered her brother and married her that would be the problem.

[Enero]

3 hours ago, Kuther2000 said:

Why wouldn't Count Paris just marry Isabella when he gets rid of Escalus? She is a more advantageous match and at least has some claim to the throne of Verona so it doesn't look like he is usurping.

What type of reputation does Count Paris have that the servant lady knew? Of course, I thought he was a scoundrel and murderer but has he done something that even the servants are aware of.

So everyone knows the truth about Lady Capulet and the Capulet brother.

I think because Count Paris isn't driving this mess. This is  Lady Capulet's game for her own gain. However, you are right. Really Paris could just cut her out of the equation and make a play for the throne without her by attempting to marry  Isabella. Though I don't know how well that would work either since it seems as if Isabella might be gay. 

From the previews for the finale it looks as if 

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Escalus proposes to Rosalind, and I'm guessing she says yes because Lashunda Lynch posted a picture on her Twitter wearing the dress that Rosalind is wearing in the 1x7 preview and she called it her betrothal dress. So it can be inferred based on what we've seen in the preview and what she said that the proposal comes from Escalus and she accepts.  

If the series ends this way I will be so disappointed because Escalus does not deserve the throne, much less Rosalind as his fiancee/spouse.

Edited July 23, 2017 by Enero

[jhlipton]

There was one point where I expected someone to say "Let's not quibble over who murdered whom..."  LOL

Hard to see how we're going to get any good resolution in one episode.

[legaleagle53]

4 hours ago, Enero said:

I think because Count Paris isn't driving this mess. This is  Lady Capulet's game for her own gain. However, you are right. Really Paris could just cut her out of the equation and make a play for the throne without her by attempting to marry  Isabella. Though I don't know how well that would work either since it seems as if Isabella might be gay. 

That wouldn't matter.  As Capulet pointed out to Lady MacBeth -- er, I mean, Lady Capulet -- women in that time were considered little more than property and were expected to do three things and three things only: 1) Shut up and do as they were told; 2) produce a viable male heir as soon as possible; and 3) make their husbands look good in public.  Even if Isabella were to turn out to be gay, she'd still be forced to do all three upon her marriage to Paris.

Edited July 23, 2017 by legaleagle53

[Kuther2000]

17 minutes ago, doram said:

I thought that was why Escalus handed over the search to him? 

From what I gathered, it was mentioned to Escalus that it wouldn't be for the best if he led the search himself with the rising danger in the city because it would take him out of the city walls. It is dangerous and it also can't look like he abandoned his people. Here comes Paris. He is an outsider to the city with no apparent motives. He is a friendly face offering powerful assistance.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Kuther2000

[Enero]

14 minutes ago, Kuther2000 said:

From what I gathered, it was mentioned to Escalus that it wouldn't be for the best if he led the search himself with the rising danger in the city because it would take him out of the city walls. It is dangerous and it also can't look like he abandoned his people. Here comes Paris. He is an outsider to the city with no apparent motives. He is a friendly face offering powerful assistance.

Which ultimately ended up being all for naught because Escalus foolishly left his city without a ruler in the state of chaos it was in to find an ex-girlfriend, even though he already had what he believed to be a capable man handling the search. SMH. What a TERRIBLE leader. No wonder Verona is on the brink of ruin.

[legaleagle53]

Just now, Enero said:

Which ultimately ended up being all for naught because Escalus foolishly left his city without a ruler in the state of chaos it was in to find an ex-girlfriend, even though he already had what he believed to be a capable man handling the search. SMH. What a TERRIBLE leader. No wonder Verona is on the brink of ruin.

That was all part of Lady Capulet and Paris' master plan to overthrow the monarchy, establish Paris as the new Prince of Verona, and install Lady Capulet as the power behind the throne.  I half-expected Escalus to ride straight into an ambush arranged by them.

[jhlipton]

3 hours ago, legaleagle53 said:

I half-expected Escalus to ride straight into an ambush arranged by them.

Ditto, but 3/4ths!

[pigs-in-space]

Honestly, if Paris had half a brain, he would've done that.  Kill all three of them, claim Benvolio attacked and killed Rosaline and Escalus, and he heroically fought Benvolio and killed him.

But clearly he's better at charming info out of Livia than anything else (not that he did a great job of that either - how long did it take him to get that tiny bit of info?).

[thuganomics85]

Watching Lord Montague and Lord Capulet bicker and squabble is really cracking me up, because both of them just devolve into little children, complete with Capulet stomping around all "Not fair!" and Montague pretty smirking and taunting him with "You can't catch me!"  Seriously, the entire battle over the cathedral basically ends with Capulet just saying throwing his hands in the air and burning the entire place down, because if he can't have it, no one will!  It's hilarious!  Well... until you remember all the people that have died because of this feud.

Poor Livia has no idea that she is just a pawn in Lady Capulet and Paris' game.  Granted, Paris does seem like he does have some legit feelings for her, but he's still all about him.  While I'm glad Rosaline and Benvolio are both alive for now, I am kind of surprised he didn't just have both of them and Escalus killed, since apparently all those soldiers where his men and Escalus came with none of his.  Wouldn't have been that hard for set it up to make it look like Benvolio killed Scalus and Rosaline, and then Paris "heroically" killed him.

Escalus really does suck as a king.  At this point, I'm hoping that it will be Isabella who actually listens to Rosaline, because I sure as hell don't trust him to do anything to help Benvolio. 

Curious to see how they will pull of the likely series finale, because I can't see them resolving everything in an hour.