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[CastleSeason8]

Maybe Im misreading that SP Chado, but to me it sounds like they are still hiding from friends/family. Hard to know, the storylines are so stupid and juvenile, difficult to interpret unless ur 12.

[westwingfan]

Maybe Im misreading that SP Chado, but to me it sounds like they are still hiding from friends/family. Hard to know, the storylines are so stupid and juvenile, difficult to interpret unless ur 12.

Castle says, "Now that you've officially moved all your stuff back". Saying "officially" suggests they have been open about it and the way they do things on this show is probably all we're going to get about their family and friends knowing.

[KaveDweller]

Beckett was questioning the 'welcome home' because she has been sneaking in to see him all this time (all this time???), I don't think that was the show implying it is still going on. Unless I'm mistaken?

The WTF for me is that she assumes she's been "there" this whole time which is complete BS, not only because the hookups have been rather recent, but also because booty calls are hardly a marriage/her 'being there'.

Oh yeah...and the "I've been sneaking into your room"....isn't it 'their' room? O_O

And Beckett hasn't met Lucy properly? Come on now...........

One last thing....Castle saying "we can simply pick up exactly where we left off" - Tell me that isn't the WHOLE mentality of the showrunners and this season. There's no fallout, no lasting impact to any decision. The fingers are just clicked whenever the writers want and they just pick up without any sort of respect to all the dumb #### they've made us sit through.

They've made it pretty clear that Beckett wasn't just sneaking in for sex though. She's been there morning, noon, and night since they came back from the break. Even just talking and supporting him, like when he started having flashbacks again.

But that's why it's silly she hasn't met Lucy. She was staying at the loft while Castle was in LA. These writers are so plot oriented.

[verdana]

The whole thing is so juvenile and dumbass I can't even be bothered to try and figure it out, the writers don't give a shit about having any of this make sense based on this clip so why bother expending my brain cells trying,

They're making Castle sound move juvenile by the week, he's in his MID FORTIES writers! His exchange with Lucy made me sad for Beckett there, she's lumbered with this doofus.

Edited April 4, 2016 by verdana

[Chado]

They've made it pretty clear that Beckett wasn't just sneaking in for sex though. She's been there morning, noon, and night since they came back from the break. Even just talking and supporting him, like when he started having flashbacks again.

But that's why it's silly she hasn't met Lucy. She was staying at the loft while Castle was in LA. These writers are so plot oriented.

Never got the impression she was there much personally, I do agree about the Lucy thing though.

[Chado]

They're making Castle sound move juvenile by the week, he's in his MID FORTIES writers! His exchange with Lucy made me sad for Beckett there, she's lumbered with this doofus.

I hate clown Castle as much as the next person but I don't think the sneak peek showed that, at least not to me.

 

I think his wife walked out on him and he was essentially left on his own and 'Lucy' was pretty much his sounding board for months. While the premise is insane, I understand why he'd be friendly with the thing.

 

I'd go as far as to say that the scene is there (or should be there)so Beckett could see that things have changed since she left. I'd credit the writers and assume that there is more evidence planted throughout the episode to show this...but they're honestly too dumb to give that sort of credit to. Ideally you would want to see more evidence that Castle is doing more things on his own, that he has become more 'used' to living alone to the point where Beckett is uncertain of her place in the house, but that would be proper story telling and require a mindset and plan that goes beyond the current episode/plot.

[CastleSeason8]

Everyone is making a big deal about how they are writing for Beckett this year, and rightly so, but i cant stand what they are doing to Castle. Its embarrassing. He is such a doofus. Not the character i used to love.

[verdana]

Watch what you love. ‏@Sandraxf  3h3 hours ago

ABC officially announced the season finale date for #Castle in press release:

Monday, May 16 at 10I9c

https://twitter.com/Sandraxf/status/717037152916385796

 

[KaveDweller]

Never got the impression she was there much personally, I do agree about the Lucy thing though.

Not trying to be rude here, but I thought you said you skipped most episodes this season, especially after the mid winter break? You would need to watch to get a read in how often she was there.

It would make sense for the writers to let her realize things were different, and there were consequences to what she did and all that. But they made a point of showing her spend every night (that we saw on the show) there. And not just to sleep, but having breakfast and dinner with him, . That seems inconsistent (so I guess expected from these writers?) with the idea that he needed to program Lucy to talk to when she wasn't around.

 

I mean, they've specifically shown Beckett making coffee for him in the morning (and him for her) in recent episodes. So when did Lucy start automatically making it? This would have made more sense when she started spending time there again 8 episodes ago.

Edited April 4, 2016 by KaveDweller

[oberon55]

I just watched the last episode of the Big Bang Theory. I have to say that Sheldon & Amy had a more meaningful & intimate conversation about Sheldon being a pack rat than Castle & Beckett did about her leaving or him lying. It really is amazing what good writers can accomplish.

[FlickerToAFlame]

It's so weird how Tamala keeps posting Photoshop'd pictures of Stana and Nathan on her Twitter. I don't know if she realizes they're all fake and whether or not it's better if she does. I feel bad for her having to pander to the fans like that, but it's so awkward. Like, read the room, "lividity."

Edited April 5, 2016 by FlickerToAFlame

[Chado]

Not trying to be rude here, but I thought you said you skipped most episodes this season, especially after the mid winter break? You would need to watch to get a read in how often she was there.

I've recently gone back and watched the episodes since the booty calls have happened. So implying I have no idea what I'm talking about isn't going to work in this case, try something else.

[FlickerToAFlame]

Sneak peek 2.

Does it sound like they changed "Lucy"'s voice? It doesn't sound like Aubrey Plaza to me as much as it did before.

I thought the same thing. It must have been filler dialogue in the clip, because it sounds like Aubrey in the actual show.

[KaveDweller]

I've recently gone back and watched the episodes since the booty calls have happened. So implying I have no idea what I'm talking about isn't going to work in this case, try something else.

 

I wasn't implying that you didn't know what you were talking about, I was just legitimately asking about something you'd posted several times. I'm not sure what's wrong with that.

 

We clearly have different opinions and I certainly don't expect to change anyone's mind. I know what I saw in the episodes and have no intention of arguing with someone who doesn't want to consider other viewpoints.

 

The important thing is, the Lucy storyline is stupid no matter what.

Edited April 5, 2016 by KaveDweller

[Chado]

I wasn't implying that you didn't know what you were talking about, I was just legitimately asking about something you'd posted several times. I'm not sure what's wrong with that.

 

We clearly have different opinions and I certainly don't expect to change anyone's mind. I know what I saw in the episodes and have no intention of arguing with someone who doesn't want to consider other viewpoints.

 

The important thing is, the Lucy storyline is stupid no matter what.

To even ask the question is to suggest I'm potentially talking about something I have no idea about in the first place, which makes no sense. The alternative is you assume I've watched it because I'm talking about it, which you didn't by asking the dumb question.

 

We aren't arguing about viewpoints either, I addressed we had different viewpoints before you even asked your question.

 

I said this to your original answer: Never got the impression she was there much personally, I do agree about the Lucy thing though. Does that sound like I didn't consider your view point? No it doesn't. But when you follow that up with a "Have you even watched the episodes anyway???" is completely condescending.

Edited April 5, 2016 by Chado

[KaveDweller]

To even ask the question is to suggest I'm potentially talking about something I have no idea about in the first place, which makes no sense. The alternative is you assume I've watched it because I'm talking about it, which you didn't by asking the dumb question.

 

I'm sorry if it came across like a dumb question, I've just been bothered by people (in general) who criticize something they admit they didn't watch. I didn't mean to lump you in with them if that's not the case, I just really thought I'd seen you say that and was curious about what happened.

 

It did seem like you weren't considering my viewpoint, but I accept that wasn't your intention.

[Chado]

I'm sorry if it came across like a dumb question, I've just been bothered by people (in general) who criticize something they admit they didn't watch. I didn't mean to lump you in with them if that's not the case, I just really thought I'd seen you say that and was curious about what happened.

 

It did seem like you weren't considering my viewpoint, but I accept that wasn't your intention.

Fair enough

[Chado]

 

Aladdin hey

[verdana]

It's so weird how Tamala keeps posting Photoshop'd pictures of Stana and Nathan on her Twitter. I don't know if she realizes they're all fake and whether or not it's better if she does. I feel bad for her having to pander to the fans like that, but it's so awkward. Like, read the room, "lividity."

Seriously strange, I went and saw the manip she retweeted, why on earth would you do that?  I can't get my head around that at all. I'd say it's worse if she does know yet still does it.  

[S55]

Ask Ausiello: Spoilers on Walking Dead, Castle, HTGAWM, Originals, Outlander, Devious Maids, Empire and More

 

Question: Can we expect the LokSat storyline to be wrapped up by the end of Castle‘s Season 8 finale? —Andrea

Ausiello: Considering that Kristofer Polaha will resurface as LokSat stooge Caleb Brown in the May 16 closer,
I’d say that is a safe-ish bet. Speaking of which, with a renewal decision expected to come down to the wire, I hear producers are shooting multiple endings — one that works as a season finale and another that serves as a series finale. 

Edited April 5, 2016 by S55

[westwingfan]

Ask Ausiello: Spoilers on Walking Dead, Castle, HTGAWM, Originals, Outlander, Devious Maids, Empire and More

"Multiple" could mean more than two, hopefully not, as surely they just need a season finale with a cliff hanger and a series finale without, but what if they are filming a season finale with Beckett coming back and one where she isn't. It looks like 8x22 will be a nine day shoot, ending on Apr 12 according to someone quoting Andrew Bikichky, although I thought he had tweeted that they would finish on Apr 11, maybe this changed their plans, but 8x21 was too. It does suggest that ABC want a S9 otherwise why waste money on extra scenes, I just hope they make the announcement about the future when they know what everyone is doing, and we don't have a repeat of last year.

[KaveDweller]

Multiple endings suggest Castle isn't the blind item about a lead dying, right? (asked from my place of denial/optimism).

[westwingfan]

Multiple endings suggest Castle isn't the blind item about a lead dying, right? (asked from my place of denial/optimism).

Well the actual blind item might not have been about Castle, but who's to say that these showrunners won't be "inspired" by the idea if they have to write Beckett off the show because negotiations with Stana break down. My own view is that killing off Beckett would be too dark for a show that is portrayed as a "dramedy", but if they assume they are going to lose a fair portion of the current audience anyway if there is no Beckett, Hawley might try and move the show into another orbit by going darker. The trouble with that is, is that Nathan's strength is his comedy, and I'm sure many would expect a Beckettless show to move more in that direction than the other way.

[CastleSeason8]

I still say she dies and thats what the two endings are. Sorry. S9 could be a time jump and Castle past the worst of grieving, back to his happy self.

[BellyLaughter]

There are plenty of 'insiders' who are confidently declaring that Beckett is a goner, Stana has been offered another role in a NY based show....did I ever tell you how much I love this time of year??

I saw in AA that renewel is gonna come down to the wire...are they still trying to talk her around?? I hope so because this show would be poorer without her but my gut has been telling me the writings on the wall all season. I do think she's leaving. Of course common sense would say if they can't keep Katic they probably should just end an older show that's fading but my gut also tells me that common sense has nothing to do with it and I just have to accept that Beckett and Castle aren't gonna get their happy ending.....

[verdana]

My gut disagreed with your gut.

 

I say she's staying, she may not act like she's as invested as she once was but the money is good and she needs to cash in whilst she can, she may not get many more pay days like this one.  

 

As for a happy ending for Caskett, I used to think that was given but with this crowd anything can happen. 

[BellyLaughter]

It's a virtual drink on me if you're right!! :)

[CastleSeason8]

I'll break out the tequila if she stays. And i never do that!!

[WendyCR72]

The thing is, "insiders" can be fans with blogs and agendas, the show janitor, or just rumors that take on a life of their own. Ask The Enquirer.

 

I'm still with verdana as of right now.

[BellyLaughter]

The thing is, "insiders" can be fans with blogs and agendas, the show janitor, or just rumors that take on a life of their own. Ask The Enquirer.

I'm still with verdana as of right now.

I know a lot of 'insiders' are just BS artists who are trolling for attention and I should just ignore them but I have read so many repeat versions of the same rumor and outcome I feel that surely one of them is probably an 'actual' insider.

But in an effort to be more positive...

I'm also starting to wonder after Ausiello's reveal today about multiple endings and a going down to the wire renewel is it possible that they have at least decided that if they can get both the leads they will renew and if they lose one they won't?? Negotiations will carry on until the last possible moment - just before the season finale airs??

Probably just wishful thinking!

Edited April 6, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[KaveDweller]

I know a lot of 'insiders' are just BS artists who are trolling for attention and I should just ignore them but I have read so many repeat versions of the same rumor and outcome I feel that surely one of them is probably an 'actual' insider.

But in an effort to be more positive...

I'm also starting to wonder after Ausiello's reveal today about multiple endings and a going down to the wire renewel is it possible that they have at least decided that if they can get both the leads they will renew and if they lose one they won't?? Negotiations will carry on until the last possible moment - just before the season finale airs??

Probably just wishful thinking!

 

I keep reminding myself of all the times "insiders" have sounded credible and been wrong.  There were people saying Stana wouldn't be back for Season 8, and there was someone saying she was leaving in the middle of the season. But it may just be wishful thinking on my part too.

 

I hate feeling like a crazy fan...

[CheshireCat]

BellyLaughter, on 05 Apr 2016 - 11:24 PM, said:

 Negotiations will carry on until the last possible moment - just before the season finale airs??

 

 

The last possible moment for contract negotiations would be until the end of May/early June. I've heard of that - negotiations going on that long.

 

There is actually only one "Insider" I trust enough to believe their posts are credible because they were spot on last season about a SK contract renewal and that it was Castle which was referred to in the blind item about the break up (and some details abouts it) and that person hasn't made a comment about SK one way or the other. As of now, we don't even know if NF has already finished negotiating or not and I would think they won't pick up negotiations with her before they're done with him and have an agreement.

[verdana]

As of now, we don't even know if NF has already finished negotiating or not and I would think they won't pick up negotiations with her before they're done with him and have an agreement.

I checked out what happened last season, ABC announced Fillion had signed up again on April 16. Katic left it much later until May 12 which was cutting it fine.

Everyone else then signed up and I can see the same time scale happening this year with the exact same outcome.

I also looked back at when that "exclusive" came out from CastleTV from their "sources" that Jon and Seamus risked having their roles recast which caused a further fuss, that was May 8.

I also found it interesting they let slip they're filming two alternative endings, that costs money (and this is an ageing show) and it's something the network would not sign off on lightly, last season MilMar didn't have that luxury as far as I'm aware which was a good thing because it meant they HAD to film a feel good ending. It concerns me that Hawley has been given the green light to film two and what that may bring, I'd much rather he had been boxed in like Marlowe lol.

Edited April 6, 2016 by verdana

[westwingfan]

TV Line have posted their May Sweeps Score Card, lots of fatalities and possible fatalities but the show could also feature in the "breakups/divorces", "leaving town", "firing's, resignations, and major job changes" lists. The intriguing one could be the "cliff hanger involving witness protection", although realistically would Castle let Beckett leave on her own, especially as surely he would be at as much risk if he stayed behind as her. But what about that as the spin off as Castle and Beckett set out on new adventures with new identities, perhaps that was why Nathan posted that pic of himself wearing that wig as they pretend to be hippies, Beckett's already got the outfit from That 70s Show. Might have worked if only the two leads were willing to appear together on screen for more than 9 mins per episode LOL

 

https://tvline.com/2016/04/06/may-sweeps-scorecard-2016-spoilers-deaths/

 

And before anyone thinks that 14 is a lot of fatalities, according to Matt Mitovich there were 52 last year.

[KaveDweller]

TV Line have posted their May Sweeps Score Card, lots of fatalities and possible fatalities but the show could also feature in the "breakups/divorces", "leaving town", "firing's, resignations, and major job changes" lists. The intriguing one could be the "cliff hanger involving witness protection", although realistically would Castle let Beckett leave on her own, especially as surely he would be at as much risk if he stayed behind as her. But what about that as the spin off as Castle and Beckett set out on new adventures with new identities, perhaps that was why Nathan posted that pic of himself wearing that wig as they pretend to be hippies, Beckett's already got the outfit from That 70s Show. Might have worked if only the two leads were willing to appear together on screen for more than 9 mins per episode LOL

 

https://tvline.com/2016/04/06/may-sweeps-scorecard-2016-spoilers-deaths/

 

And before anyone thinks that 14 is a lot of fatalities, according to Matt Mitovich there were 52 last year.

 

The lists always get longer as shows air, because they don't know everything that's going to happen this early. So the death count will go up from 14. I wonder if LokSat would count as a death (assuming he has to die to wrap up the storyline)? 

 

I'd watch a spin of Castle and Beckett together doing anything. 

 

Castle letting Beckett go into WitSec without him seems against everything he's done this season. Which doesn't mean it won't happen. But a spin off of fun, wacky PI solving crimes while his wife is in witness protection seems even more contradictory than a fun, wacky PI solving crimes when his wife just died. Also, they are supposedly going to wrap up LokSat this season though. Being in witness protection means it's an ongoing case.

[BellyLaughter]

Could Beckett chose to fake her death - enter witness protection without Castle's blessing??

Kind of makes it awkward with the audience knowing she's alive when he starts hooking up with new love interests on Castle PI lol

[CastleSeason8]

Could Beckett chose to fake her death - enter witness protection without Castle's blessing??

Kind of makes it awkward with the audience knowing she's alive when he starts hooking up with new love interests on Castle PI lol

Put nothing past these writers/showrunners

Edited April 6, 2016 by CastleSeason8

[WendyCR72]

I don't think there's really anything to worry about since this whole Witness Protection stuff has yet to have any basis in fact.

[westwingfan]

The lists always get longer as shows air, because they don't know everything that's going to happen this early. So the death count will go up from 14. I wonder if LokSat would count as a death (assuming he has to die to wrap up the storyline)? 

 

I'd watch a spin of Castle and Beckett together doing anything. 

 

Castle letting Beckett go into WitSec without him seems against everything he's done this season. Which doesn't mean it won't happen. But a spin off of fun, wacky PI solving crimes while his wife is in witness protection seems even more contradictory than a fun, wacky PI solving crimes when his wife just died. Also, they are supposedly going to wrap up LokSat this season though. Being in witness protection means it's an ongoing case.

Initially Winter said that they would wrap up the Loksat story by the season finale, but I'm sure there was a more recent interview with Hawley where he seemed to amend that by saying that  Caskett would reach a satisfying point with Loksat by the season finale, implying it could spill over to S9. I'll try and find the quote to clarify that.

[verdana]

I wonder if LokSat would count as a death (assuming he has to die to wrap up the storyline)? 

We can only join together and pray this is the case, if Locksat survives to cast it's shadow over a S9 I'll lose what shred of hope I have left Castle can become watchable again.

westwingfan.  Here is that quote you might be looking for from EW.

 

When will Castle tell us more about LokSat? — Murphy

The show will “touch on it again a couple of times driving toward what’s going to be the finale,” says EP Alexi Hawley, who promises both a reveal and some frustration in the season-ender — especially if the show doesn’t get renewed. “Our hope is to get to a place where they do get to confront LokSat and get something satisfying,” he adds. “It would be great to have something of a cliffhanger.”

 

Castle 8x17 Sneak Peek - Castle Season 8 Episode 17 Sneak Peek “Death Wish”

Do you think if they find Aladdin's lamp they can wish Locksat away? 

 

That would be my first wish topping world peace lol. 

Edited April 6, 2016 by verdana

[BellyLaughter]

All I hope for from LokSat now is a nice twisty, shocking reveal.....someone we have already encountered. Even though I don't really hate the character of Vikram I would kind of like it if he turned out to be dodgy but I'm not sure the way they have (poorly) managed this story arc would allow for that??

I just want some sort of interesting twist to it - if I've had to endure this rubbish all season long I would really like some payoff!! Somehow I'm not sure these showrunners have the chops to pull it off.

PS Dear Showrunners, death and/or witness protection are both cop outs - just saying....

Edited April 6, 2016 by BellyLaughter

[KaveDweller]

Didn't Aladdin free his genie? A free genie doesn't have to grant wishes and therefore isn't useful.  They need to find a different lamp, and then maybe wish LokSat and the separation away.

 

Regarding showrunner's comments, at this point I guess what they say is totally irrelevant because they've contradicted themselves and just lied in the past. 

[CheshireCat]

westwingfan, on 06 Apr 2016 - 6:08 PM, said:

TV Line have posted their May Sweeps Score Card, lots of fatalities and possible fatalities but the show could also feature in the "breakups/divorces", "leaving town", "firing's, resignations, and major job changes" lists. The intriguing one could be the "cliff hanger involving witness protection", although realistically would Castle let Beckett leave on her own, especially as surely he would be at as much risk if he stayed behind as her. But what about that as the spin off as Castle and Beckett set out on new adventures with new identities, perhaps that was why Nathan posted that pic of himself wearing that wig as they pretend to be hippies, Beckett's already got the outfit from That 70s Show. Might have worked if only the two leads were willing to appear together on screen for more than 9 mins per episode LOL

 

https://tvline.com/2016/04/06/may-sweeps-scorecard-2016-spoilers-deaths/

 

And before anyone thinks that 14 is a lot of fatalities, according to Matt Mitovich there were 52 last year.

 

If they really are filming more than one ending then I'd say none of these spoilers can apply to Castle because no one would know which ending they'll choose at this point.

 

Does anyone remember which episode the promo photos were from which suggest that Jenny gave birth? I'm just wondering if she (probably) gives birth before the Sweeps start.

[oberon55]

I just want some sort of interesting twist to it - if I've had to endure this rubbish all season long I would really like some payoff!! Somehow I'm not sure these showrunners have the chops to pull it off.

I'm going to go out on a limb & say you can expect about as much satisfaction as you got from Castle's disappearance or from Beckett's obsessive pursuit of justice. If you were happy with those then you are probably in for a treat otherwise buckle up because you are in for a rough ride.

Edited April 7, 2016 by oberon55

[CastleSeason8]

It truly baffles me at times because Hawley and Winter wrote some great episodes in earlier seasons. Winter especially wrote some of my favs. How is it that these two have screwed up so spectacularly.

[BellyLaughter]

I'm going to go out on a limb & say you can expect about as much satisfaction as you got from Castle's disappearance or from Beckett's obsessive pursuit of justice. If you were happy with those then you are probably in for a treat otherwise buckle up because you are in for a rough ride.

Believe me, my hope comes with extremely low expectations these days!!

[S55]

Does anyone remember which episode the promo photos were from which suggest that Jenny gave birth? I'm just wondering if she (probably) gives birth before the Sweeps start.

 

That photo of the group, in what appeared to be the pediatrics area of a hospital, is the one airing this coming Monday ("Death Wish"). 

[westwingfan]

That photo of the group, in what appeared to be the pediatrics area of a hospital, is the one airing this coming Monday ("Death Wish"). 

And "Jenny" herself appeared to be on set for two days during the filming for 8x20 according to her tweets.

 

Mar 9

Juliana Dever ‏@CleverDever

Visiting this dreamy guy on set while trying on my wardrobe. Yep. JENNY IS RETURNING

 

Mar 14

https://twitter.com/CleverDever/status/709433333227192323

[westwingfan]

The guy that played the stunt double for the lead assassin in “XY” and “XX” is back for the finale according to IMDb but they don’t say which character he is doubling for this time. Weren’t the captured assassins handed over to the corrupt Asst AG in “XX” which means they might have been allowed to escape, so we might see him again in the finale.

[BellyLaughter]

The guy that played the stunt double for the lead assassin in “XY” and “XX” is back for the finale according to IMDb but they don’t say which character he is doubling for this time. Weren’t the captured assassins handed over to the corrupt Asst AG in “XX” which means they might have been allowed to escape, so we might see him again in the finale.

I hope he is stunting for another character otherwise stupid LokSat is stupid is gonna be sending the same assassin to finish the job he started?? Stealth....