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I completely forgot about that, but there's a ton of backstory about Jane's family in the book. She has a very loving and involved mom, dad and brother, and a long scene where Madeline and Jane's mom meet and Madeline learns a lot about Jane. The family's guess about Ziggy is that Jane's ex-boyfriend Zach, who broke up with her before spending a few months in Europe, was really the father. Jane always says that's not the case, but her mother and family notice that she became a completely different person around the time of getting pregnant which was immediately after the breakup, and Madeline sees a photo of Jane before the rape and is shocked by how different she appears. Jane's brother is a fan of Bob Marley so volunteered Ziggy for the name, but it's kind of not the best one to choose if you're trying to convince the world it's definitely not your ex Zach's child, perhaps? The Jane HBO character is less multi-dimensional. Maybe they thought it would be more believable that these affluent women would look after her and take her into the fold only if she were alone in the world, but it robbed the character of a lot of nuance. I'm not sure I'll ever follow the decision to leave certain things out that had such payoff to replace it with affair mumbo jumbo that went nowhere and served no purpose. eta: sorry for the repeats, chocolatine got it!

The unfolding and final Perry scenes were so lackluster on tv. Instead of tension and a series of revelations, we just got him King Kong-ing out to the patio and randomly smashing at women or throwing them aside. One of the most powerful parts in the book reveal was Jane's exclamation followed by Perry's "It didn't mean anything," and the moments right after that. The psychological implications are what made the scene hefty, not the brute force of his violence or that it was wildly indiscriminate. The whole ending was just so truncated and instead we got a super duper day at the beach and bookended Rolling Stones?! It wasn't like they didn't have the time either, they just decided to give Zoe a chance to sing, and then Adam Scott a chance to lip sync, and for Adam and Nathan to do another stupid chicken dance and the 25 stares at Madeline from wife of affair guy. Not a good use of the last hour...

I just started watching the show 2 wks ago and then decided to start the book on Thursday! It definitely sucked me in, which really surprised me, but it sounds like her other novels don't pack as much of a punch which is too bad because I was excited to start another. I'm with the camp that prefers the book, and really doesn't appreciate the addition of all of the Reese subplots. Given how involved she is, it just feels gratuitous and like it's in her contract to have so much screen time. It was really surprising to read Madeline and still imagine Reese, but a much more likable character all around. I'm not sure if the DV stuff is better or clearer in the book or not, it still feels superficial in some respects? Adam Scott is a great actor, but again, the difference between this central couple in the book versus the show is off-putting to me now. The actor who really isn't working for me, pre or post read, is Shailene. I don't find that she blends into roles very well at all. During Snowden all I saw was a wig, and now all I see is Shailene, tortured, single mother. She's so dissimilar to the book's Jane too that it doesn't help me to understand the casting any better. On the one hand, I'm glad they didn't go for an It Girl of the moment, but there are definitely better fits, just without the name recognition (which I prefer, but given it's HBO, I suppose that's just not possible...?). Things really do tie up into a bit of a lazy, neat knot there at the end, so I'm very curious to see how the TV version goes!!

Omg, these people live down the street from me, no joke. I walk by their house all the time, but didn't realize it was them. It was front page news here when they were denied access to Butchart Gardens! I didn't read the article because I just thought it was hilarious that it was the paper that week. I didn't realize they had a whole full-time Victorian thing going on because, honestly, this town is full of pretension and generally foolery, and there are days where "everyone" goes out in Victorian garb. I used to work at a consignment shop downtown that would have all sorts of things specific to the day of Victorian dress (I'm sure it has a name...), though I worked there before hipsters and steampunk, which are huge here too. Basically the entire town is full of "special" artists and humans. If anyone is familiar with art school, or just the concept, picture no one graduating and then you have a whole town overrun with precious people, who actually make this Old Timey couple pale in comparison. At least they're putting in some work with their experiment, which is more than I gave them credit for! I shop at the same store they do primarily and I don't remember seeing much of them (the store is pretty small, so it would be pretty much impossible to miss them), but then again, if I see someone fully dressed in costume, I just assume it's parade time again (we have so, so many, but the Pet Parade is the only one I get into) or any person living here, sigh... well, now I have some more insight into why I love this show so much, sort of like how I have to mainline Seinfeld occasionally, and other shows to buff up my Eastern roots and because sarcasm is a largely failed and misunderstood concept here. Now I really want Julie and Billy to come visit. First of all, no one would know who they are - it was a TV-free zone for ages before Hulu or cord-cutting existed, and I'm possibly the only DP watcher in the tri-town area - and it would be seasons' worth of ideas! They could just transport the concepts to the NY background, or they could do an actual reality show of spending a few weeks here, like an insane, brain-breaking version of Frontier House where all they do is react and comment on simply staying, eating and shopping. I literally need to see Julie and Billy react to our food coop now, it would be the most amazing thing that could be/happen to me/happen here!

Stella's hair bothered me as well, but mostly because she managed to maintain the exact same part and amount and quality of curls day-to-day, all day/night at work, and even after she was beaten into a husk and landed at the hospital. While her face was split open and weeping, not a curl was fully deconstructed. However, (and I'm outing myself as a hair geek, so forgive me) I noticed she had about 2-3x more hair that Gillian Anderson has had as Stella previously, and in other roles, so it was clear that she had extensions, clip-ins, or other various extra hair right away. Unfortunately this trend is everywhere, and they love it for "ageing" actresses because it can make them appear more youthful. My guess on the hair color is that, generally speaking, when there is a bunch of purchased "blonde" hair involved (which is Asian hair 98% of the time, & bleached from its natural black, and cannot physically be lightened beyond yellow), the actor's hair has to match that not-quite-natural-for-European-hair color as well, and is toned more yellow. For anyone who's ever wondered, IRL, at very wealthy blondes and why their hair often looks like straw and/or a strangely un-toned yellow, it's because purchased hair is a coarser, much-darker product that is processed with the most extreme bleach and ammonia, is extremely damaged, and can never appear a neutral hue because of starting from such a natural, dark shade. Apologies if anyone has nodded off...!

I'm very impressed with the various theories being floated in this thread. As I've read one and thought "hmmm... that's very interesting," then another is posted that is equally compelling and so on. I've wondered if the writers had as clear a motivation in mind as people here have managed to splice together? But no, The Telegraph's opinion isn't my takeaway either. Are they generally a reliable source with recaps? Do they do any interviews or coverage with writers or showrunners? I really have no idea. Their synopsis sounds more like someone watched most of it on FF, missed a lot of scenes and dialogue, and then rushed to turn the piece in (i.e., blew off their homework). It's like one of those Netflix-gone-wrong spoilers/totally-incorrect episode descriptions that sometimes happen.

I sort of dragged my way through season 2 and only started 3 because I'm down with a sinus infection, but I'll be damned if I wasn't mesmerized from the first moment! This was a true slow-burn-to-the-final-eps done in a pretty graceful way since there were only the 6. This was something so well executed because of the binge capability, so the fear of Paul returning to consciousness, then himself, felt very real to me and the terror was just as real as if he'd been strangling away each episode. Where things suffered, jmho, were in the lapses in reality (though I'm not familiar with Irish law/hospitalization of criminals/instutionalizing criminals, etc.) around the choice of nurse, the lack of security at the beginning and most certainly when he was returned after nearly killing an officer and immediately un-handcuffed as soon as he was brought inside. It seems realistic that nowhere else in the world other than the US are people as often restrained, in criminal circumstances or psychiatric, but still unlikely that he would have just been released like a dog off his leash when re-entering the unit. And again, I can't speak to how the Irish justice system works, but generally there is zero shit tolerated from a prisoner whose many crimes include repeated assaults on officers and just generally terrorizing them at every given turn. So, even if things are a bit more lax there, wouldn't the particular nature of his latest attacks warrant a different degree of restriction? The nurse choice was clearly just there to remind us of the terror that might come and that we'd visited for 2 seasons already, so I'm willing to overlook that it was pretty clumsy. From the moment he began waking and grabbed her with the Paul death grip, I knew she was lost. It felt like another moment where a woman freezes in order to save her life, just in a more protracted way. I can't differentiate eps 5 or 6 either, but I sat up and lost my breath and spent about 10 minutes doing that stupid Home Alone face when Paul turned to punch Stella. And the cracked arm... effective. I'm glad Stella got Dr. Richard Coyle again and spent some time with him just chatting, a nice circle there. Regarding the cracks in Paul's amnesia... who decided it was a 6-yr-only block? Did Paul really volunteer such a specific time frame? If so, what an absolute idiotic move. Surely no proper psychopath would make such a blatant error, especially given his proclivity for planning, mapping things out, and having spent a lifetime successfully carrying out crimes basically uninterrupted. It was convenient and allowed for an interesting story line, but was bizarrely specific. What was the purpose of Paul not remembering his son? I couldn't figure out if it was simply the time frame again or if it was meant to be more substantial in terms of another fatherless son... One other curiosity, which falls again under the is-this-really-how-the-system-functions?? title I guess: why did neither the hospital nor psych unit staff consider Paul's training and background in their questions and assessments? Maybe the neuro-psychiatrist wouldn't have been as interested, but it was very odd that, at the staff meeting intro where Paul's case history, etc. were discussed, Wallander made no mention of the fact that Paul likely had more training than most of the staff he would be surrounded by, and would certainly be a very different patient in terms of intellect & training than those he was surrounded by. There were several discussions about his possible "malingering" but nothing expressed about the danger of someone from within the fold (at least educationally, even if a bereavement counselor's day-to-day is very different from psych unit staff) now being the patient. And no extra concern about his amnesia in regard to his work history either. Odd. Wallander: heehee!

I was in hysterics 5 mins into the latest ep. I expected good things when it opened on Kevin Spacey jokes, but when Billy took it to a full-on HoC' impression, I had to rewatch it several times because I kept screaming like Julie (who was screaming like Lucille Bluth whenever she sees Gene Parmesan)! And they immediately went to Matthew getting slapped down hard by Lola (does she have the best lines or what?) who was killing as usual. That entire scene was so tight, someone is really on the ball these past 2 eps writing the multi-character scenes instead of just having Julie and Billy talking against the background of them. And Lola, who's maybe replaced Denise?, makes more sense in the cast. Loved the shout outs to Merv Griffin, teletubbies, Rumsfeld, and Brit Brit's "You'd better weeerrrkkkk!" punctuated by Matthew falling to the floor: me likey. The party was great too with the Tony Bennett/Gaga rant, Matthew at the salon, and a Victoria Jackson burn - nice! I'm glad Arthur got a decent amount of screen time this ep and his scenes at the bachelorette party and with creeper writer were really funny. Much better use of Amy Sedaris this time around too. Not sure how to feel about Julianne Moore... she's been one of the better cameos, but the second scene was possibly overkill. It's tough to work in those really famous types without losing the thread of what's going on in the show. I'd love to know hear more about how Billy feels about Kevin Spacey actually!

That was my takeaway without the details, haha, suck it HBO! Her affect seemed pretty flat in the scenes they show in the HBO promo video, but it was the 'dreaming of a world where a man who's been violent with women can bounce back and have a full career' that left me speechless. Was she one of Charlie Sheen's "goddesses" I wonder? Ahhh, Joel McHale, that tall drink of well-toned (cannibal) water - it was good to see him again. I forgot that this episode blew my mind just by mentioning Bonnie Hunt! I wish she would make an appearance. Loved the digs by Lola at Billy needing a better-fitting blouse and wishing Matthew had been on flight 93. Loved the sick burns they laid on AHS & Ryan Murphy too... priceless!

I laughed hard at the Entourage crack only because I consider a never-ending source of hilarity, but I'm not familiar with Sasha Grey or what the joke was specific to. After taking a look today, I found this gem, which I thought was possibly a joke, but the HBO emblem is there throughout, so I'm assuming it's the real deal. The last 30 seconds of the piece is worth the watch, wtf is she talking about?!

I got hooked into this season immediately. I couldn't stop watching it either, I stayed up the entire night to finish it! Anyway, it was great because it was new content (as far as the series is concerned) so I was able to view it with fresh eyes and the things that annoyed me about season 1 were not a problem because I stopped comparing the detectives to their earlier incarnations -- and really, really liked both actors so much in the roles. The plot definitely did a whole lot of meandering and really was looking like the proverbial kitchen sink by the end, but it was also so elaborate, and, at times bizarre, that I couldn't look away. Yes, Karl's past and home life have been covered to the point where they need to be a in a cart with "bring out your dead" carved into it. That whole bit had me thinking of Monty Python though, so that gave me a little laugh. The casting was a veritable who's who of everyone. As I mentioned in another thread, I was thrilled to bits to see Lester from The Wire, and then did a second "Huh??" when Paul Schneider showed up! He was in and out with the accent though, which is how I knew immediately that this was the same guy from Parks and Recreation -- now that blew my mind! The agent guy (whichever branch he was from, but the one who Karl thought tried to suffocate his family) was recognizable, but it took a little while to figure out he was the boyfriend from the second season of Happy Valley. And the sadistic doc was definitely familiar, though I'm not sure from where? I'm not 100% on what happened with everything actually. Why did they let Eryka go? Simply because she called about where they were being held? It's hard to imagine her getting a pass for bringing down a plane in a terrorist act. I'm not sure if Elise's love for Eryka really made any sense, or if they just wanted to a new take on the femme fatale? As everything was coming to a close, I really expected to find Karl walking into his house only to find that the nanny had eliminated the family and Brian (Family Guy shout out??), but instead we got Elise's gross eye. It makes sense that TT is still bopping around and creating some prison followers given that he stays close in the source material, and perhaps that will all continue in a season 3 if there is one? Why Karl's wife didn't go to the police about her and instead just told her she needed help is another matter. She knows where you live dumdum, and you have a house full of tiny children! I wish we'd gotten some closure on what happened to the little girl though. It was mentioned that baddad was the stepfather, which begs the question of why she wasn't released to the father, but I guess we'll never know.

When is season 6 scheduled for release, 2017? Does anyone know which month or season it is released in France? I sort of wish I hadn't started watching until it was out because the ending of this season is a bit much to wait out. I'm torn as to how I feel about the show overall. I started it less than a week ago, and plowed through all 5 seasons with barely a rest, but it doesn't hold up like The Wire for me. There are similarities, but The Wire always accomplished its stories with quite a bit of subtlety, with attention spread out among many of the characters, and always with an eye toward realistic development. Spiral let me down with some of its "drama" this season - it made quick, cheap turns (and I'm not even thinking of Pierre). The Wire never would have had the pregnant woman running full force at a woman with a box cutter sticking out, and they would have put a tracker in a bag of real money (and had all exits covered from the drop-off scene) instead of hoping the sociopathic gang wouldn't kill the child after finding a bag of mostly paper. You don't really have to pay the ransom, but you do set it up so that you appear to and then make certain they can't go anywhere with it. Make them think they've gotten away with it, then strike -- that's the Wire way! I guess there's enough of the show that I really love that I wish they would tighten up the character's and story lines. For instance, a woman drinking and smoking and working almost 24/7 with a placental abruption in her first trimester would not make it to the second trimester without major intervention. And wouldn't Gilou be fired for his 100th mistake that cost someone their life or a case?! I'm glad Tintin was around more and Laure finally let go whatever it was she was holding against him. The whole Jaulin plot was very odd. Even though he wasn't his wife and daughter's murderer, why was everyone walking on eggshells (and Roban essentially reprimanded) around him because he was only a wife beater and only caused the death of his lawyer? That's not innocent nor appropriate for the caretaker of a small child! The guy's entire reasoning for why he had ("understandably"???) killed Pierre, was that he never should have been in custody. Sorry, but as someone who thinks there are far too many people in prison, there was nothing crazy about him waiting there until more of the case was known, and certainly you don't get a pass for murder (even if he didn't pull the trigger, it was still all him) because you simply won't stand for being in jail. That's nuts! And why his son was happily reunited made no sense as an end point. He was still violent, unstable, filming porn, living in a hotel, made a habit of stealing money from his estranged wife, had killed someone more-or-less, and acted like a wronged brat throughout. I know I'm hard on the show, but season 4 holds up better really jmho. Speaking of The Wire & France, I just started season 2 of The Tunnel and did a true Scooby-doo "Huh?" at seeing none other than Lester!?!?!?!

Poor Samy (and the viewers), RIP his hotness... I was quite surprised to see him return since it appeared that his existence had just been dropped, and I figured the show was mostly wiping the slate clean at the end of each season without much exposition. I cringed though when Laure realized he was dead, because now we're going to have a whole new set of personal issues stemming from the fact that she never said "yes" to him and he died while she waited out her decision. A little too dramatic for my taste. And poor Tintin this season. I liked that he received more screen time, but didn't like the story that he was unfit for duty because he was suffering some lingering ptsd or taking medication. He did beat the guy in the back of the car the one time, though I didn't have a great amount of sympathy for someone who'd just spent a few days torturing and eventually killing someone in the woods). It was sloppy writing that Tintin was compromising the team though, even on his worst day he did far less damage than Gilou on one of his many "bad" days. And since when is the team so put out because an ambulance had to be called -- these are the very same people who beat an epileptic into a grand seizure and then proceeded to beat him in the hospital and after he was released?! ITA with your assessment of the nuance in the portrayal of the revolutionary/immigrant groups, Seamusk. It's rarely done so well, and I was genuinely relieved when the original group made it out unscathed and with new civil and citizenship rights. Every one of the violent turds really showed themselves to be nothing more than an unoriginal coward. As aggravating as Sophie was, Thomas proved himself to be an absolute rat when he threw his phone in the river after she'd carried out the plan on her own. Maybe Spiral will bring back Thomas for a helping of revenge next season? I'd enjoy that. The good ole' misogyny of the show was again present, even within the ranks of the extremists, but I guess you sign up for all of it when you dump your dying friend in the woods (alive) to rot. It was a nice break to venture beyond the ranks of murdered women, it really was. Hope they continue to branch out from ultra murder-y sadism. And not a mention of even 1 case of incest either, hurrah! Roban's story took sort of a left turn with the Freemasons, but I guess we'll see how that plays out... looked like he missed his chance with his secretary though. Pierre was irritating through and through this season. He was not a better person than Karlsson, but he was following that whole "scapegoat the woman" path that is the laziest thing in the world, so he could recapture his glory. I'm glad there are no superhackers too!

I was convinced it was the intern as well! He certainly met a sad end, didn't he? Ahhh, Gilou drives me nuts and I can't figure out why he's around... he's not actually good at any part of the job. He can't listen (constantly turns witnesses away when they come to give vital info), can't deduce (never seems to do much other than charge when told), can't shoot (unless it's bystanders, and doesn't own up to it), and can't run (had a heart attack(?) in that last sprint, though he was up and on the job the following day like nothing had happened whatsoever), and can't even take a report (wanted a promotion so badly he decided to ignore a missing person and do zero about it while she was being murdered). His main traits are a disdain for most women and especially "whores" (whom he seeks out regularly), drinking heavily, and his codependent thing with Laure. She, at least, appears to have some finesse with the job. I just found out about MHz a few weeks ago and have literally been turning on the dvr only to erase whatever garbage is on standard TV; it has been MHz-only here, room to room, device to device. Word on the w.d.a.a.h.d.f.. This show has a particular way with all female characters essentially being victimized in some very shitty way even if they aren't the targets of a rape, murder or attempted rape or murder. And then there was divorce-lady, who needed custody and divorce help so she could be with her true love, her father. There are many plot lines so far devoted to fathers "consensually" (if that exists) having sex with their daughters, and then the many more plot lines of fathers raping their daughters. What the hell is going on people? And why is all dealt with in the courts with all of the passion of a parking ticket?! Speaking of which, what do the French police have against victims of human trafficking, or just women forced into prostitution?! Threatening abused, violated and maligned women with jail time or worse is just not cool Laure, not cool at all. So, Karlsson is becoming a personal favorite, and I wholeheartedly enjoyed her moment of mutual respect in the hallway with Laure, her sacrifice for Pierre, and the long-awaited kiss between the two of them as she was headed back to that smokey-cuff-link-of-a-human-being Szabo. It was so odd to find this series had an additional 4 episodes, and I wondered how it was going to change the flow. All in all, it held up quite well, but the mayoral investigation was really not that fascinating and took up a lot of (unresolved) screen time. Roban is Andy Warhol (such a good call)!!! I actually bought into Laure's relationship, though the start of it was previous sexual harassment, which is not generally a big turn on... Since I thought "the Mexican" was innocent for the first few eps, I was mostly appalled at the police beating an epileptic - in and out of the hospital - it was not a good look. But, he was an insanely creepy character who was utterly terrifying practically every moment he was onscreen! Season 3 really brought the goods. I'm not sure if there were years in between 1,2 and then the longer season 3, or what happened, but it felt like there was a good deal more developed.

But Arnaud is actually this guy And then the thing that cracked me up was a shot of the gorgeous Caroline Proust's hand in one of the show's scenes, because I immediately shouted "man hands" (Seinfeld) when I saw it! At first I thought it was a stunt hand, but I'm pretty sure it's her hand based on the whole scene.