Jaded Sapphire

TNS criticism aside, which I do think is justified, I highly doubt there was any malice within the TDS Biggest Loser joke. It's a correspondent piece and he's pretending to play devil's advocate to the reasonable side, he's supposed to sound ignorant.

26 and agreed. It also strikes me that all of the protagonists seem like decent people. I'm so sick of watching shows about jerks.

It bugged me for a sec too but here's something I noticed on re-watch: Abe (and presumably the show) makes a point of referring to Henry as his father during the scene with the (awesome!) scarf toss but Abe never refers to his biological parents as his 'mother' and/or 'father.' That could be his attempt, intentionally or otherwise, at making a verbal distinction between them. I'd also imagine the circumstances were a factor. Calling them extraordinary would be an understatement. Even at it's most basic level, it's not as if they gave Abe up or even died in some tragic accident, they were forcibly and deliberately taken from his life.

It was nice to see Trevor Noah again for me as well but Holy Crap did that segment just ruin my night. Never heard a word about that massacre before he said it. As horrific as it was ignored.

Honestly that sounds more like a one episode thing than a full-time change. I didn't watch the episode live, was there a promo stating there wouldn't be a new episode next week?

Concurring with the shrink the panel, one topic per episode ideas. This was definitely a more solid episode than the first. Anybody remember Keith Robinson from the 'first' topical show to follow TDS, Tough Crowd with Colin Quinn? I was just thinking I hadn't seen him since then. I could've done with not seeing him now.

I kept waiting for Jon to point out the most obvious of his numerous fallacies, most people in this country live on the coasts in major cities and their suburbs, how the hell can most of a country live in a 'bubbleville'?

Ugh, not again. Why oh why must everything I love be ('certainly') cancelled. I had every intention of listing my favorite shows in my profile and eventually decided on "A bunch of cancelled shows" purely out of frustration. The only other quote is Henry mentioning (hopefully) that she would be 86 this year and Abe shutting down the idea of either of them seeing her again in a distinctly 'even if she didn't die in the interim, don't delude yourself' way. Nobody ever said she died.

I had to rewatch this ep to really appreciate it. The (few) things that bothered me seemed to smooth over. As for the few things that bothered others, there needs to be an ear equivalent of the phrase 'blink and you'll miss it' - both the prison (zannej caught it, a transfer from the asylum) and the paint (Henry mentions the lab declaring it's not car paint) were explained. I hadn't thought of it that way but now, I can't unthink it. That is truly a lovely sentiment, count me as enthusiastically agreed.

Seconding the Jo/Alana love and the idea that Henry wants to reveal his secret. I don't think it was his main motivation, especially considering how public the first death would've been, but had he been hit I can't help but think he'd be more relieved than upset about Jo seeing it. I'm also convinced that seeing Henry die is not only how Jo will find out but how Abigail had Henry's secret revealed to her (he certainly couldn't convince his first wife through words alone).

I'm pretty good with voices (it's ruined many a movie twist for me) and I'm convinced that that's what happened. Have a listen to Game of Thrones if you want to hear what Burn's growl actually sounds like, I'm positive he's being dubbed over in that taxi scene. I'd bet money that the actor who played Clark was being dubbed over as well. *Poutier face* And sinkwriter pretty much described my semi-spoiled reaction to Owen! and the lack of Adrian Pasdar. Ironically, knowing that Adrian was the actual voice ended up being enough of a misdirect for me. /more whining As for Adam shooting himself, I'm thinking in the time it took for Henry to continue flying down the road, off the pier, and drown in the car, Adam simply swam off. Remember, he already knew he'd be going in ahead of time. Hell he could've had Clark on standby with a boat and clothes (which would also be an easy way to show Clark that Henry is also immortal). Speaking of which, I think Adam had a much more active role in the whole Clark thing then he ever admitted to. The gun he had came directly from Smithe (the Vivisection/Autopsy victim) so even if he didn't kill him he probably 'helped' Clark with the cuts that made it look like Henry did. Adam also would've (and already has) gained access to Henry's lab more easily than Clark could and he probably also gave Henry's address to Clark and unlocked/locked it for him (Henry does unlock it on the night that Clark is already downstairs).

I think it worked because they managed to make it fluid. Usually animated interviews have that little pause as the animation stops and the host starts speaking (or vice versa respectively) but after the first 30 seconds or so Smaug and Stephen had a natural conversational rhythm going. That plus the 'interactive' shots with Smaug just standing there and reacting to Stephen's words plus talking over him made it like a regular interview. Well done all around I say.

I'm with you Darian, my coverage under my parents was extended and I don't have to pay anymore for my slut pills!

Maybe I can alleviate some of that paranoia ElectricBoogaloo, the electrical system on a car still works for several minutes underwater (per reports and tests like on Mythbusters). Henry didn't know it but he actually could've rolled down the windows to swim out.

*Pouty face* Hey! Adrian Pasdar was mentioned here as being the voice of Adam! The name (and voice) sounded familiar so I made a point of not looking him up on imdb so I wouldn't recognize him should he guest star. I would've recognized him if he had been Adam (*sniff* RIP Burn Notice *sniff*) but since the voice and actor were wrong, I didn't figure it out. /whining Did anybody else give an audible 'aww' at Lucas putting the blanket on Henry? Or an inaudible one at the Lieutenant being all 'let's get the sonuvabitch'?

Just posting to say that I thought Trevor had such a solid debut that it actively annoyed me to read he'll only be a contributor instead of a regular. /delurking

I've been holding this in since it's (apparently) not common knowledge but because how 'realistic' the show is keeps coming up, I feel the need to say it; I knew not to take the show too seriously the second the Conductor derailed that train in the pilot. I work for the MTA, and besides all the requisite safety features (i.e. the common knowledge stuff), they ignored one small but important detail - Conductors do not drive trains! Mechanically speaking, their only job is to open and close the doors. My title is Train Operator and (surprise, surprise) driving/operating is my job. I expect to give shows leeway on, say, dead man switches, but the only way poisoning a Conductor would work is if the Train Operator stopped at a station and became so despondent when the doors didn't open that they went, "Fuck it all!"

Loved this ep (and last week's even too), any ep with serious father-son interaction is wonderful. I love that Abe told him they didn't have a microwave but Henry was still scared enough to rush home anyway lol. Speaking of which, I was thinking we were a little overdue for an appearance by Adam. I laughed long and hard enough at Henry wanting to 'murder' Lucas that I actually missed a few lines, off to watch again!

Actually Henry's resurrection from his first death is the only one they don't show us. Resurrecting near shore (and naked) might explain why he was so convinced of his immortality after only one death - but it kills my idea for the death/water treadmill (pun intended).

Well presumably his life flashed before his eyes, minus mini-Abe. Now that you've brought it up though, it's clear the original ship never picked him back up. I now have this kinda horrifying (and kinda hilarious) image of Henry surfacing, seeing land, swimming for it, getting too tired and then drowning...only to surface in more or less the same spot he started in - like a death/water treadmill.

Off-screen/recurring guest star Dom Lady sounds about right to me too Kromm - it's the best of both worlds really. That's my love for this show in a nutshell. It's the tv version of easy listening, and I laughed far too hard at "He got tied up at work." I noticed that too and I think Henry's talk with Jo at the end inadvertently gave us the answer: All of his wounds reset at 'death' except that very first one. I'd always assumed it was the wound from his skewering in the Pilot but apparently not.

I suppose the show is being very specific, they aren't counting the subway poison guy that Henry plummeted off a roof with in the Pilot. (Not that I disagree, going over with him is very different then a push or shooting someone like Jo did, even if the deaths are both justified - They must've consulted Christopher Nolan on their 'haven't technically killed anyone' definition lol)

To be fair, it is consistent: The Art Of Murder is an entire episode about him misinterpreting Gloria's long crawl (which now that I think about it makes Jo's original instinct about no one else being there correct)

I'm starting to think we might have two tropes collide here and have not only Abigail still be around but also be the reason Adam knows about Henry. Side note - I'd always assumed Abigail died in the interim but Henry's comment about her current age (91) makes me think he wasn't lying when he told Jo in the Pilot that Abigail left him.

Henry mentioned that shoes made after 1970(?) don't use that kind of rubber and therefore don't leave that mark. This last episode gave me the impression that Henry has been the equivalent of a Medical Examiner for some time now, so I can see how he would've been dusting for those kinds of footprints for a while until manufacturers changed the bottoms. tribeca, the way I understood the original plan was that she would die peacefully while secluded from everyone and standing in front of that painting. I doubt it was to implicate anyone. It wouldn't have even been investigated as a murder if she hadn't fallen down the stairs first.