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Game of Thrones doesn't start until July 16. And Preacher will be airing on Mondays, so won't be going up head-to-head against GoT.

I thought the order went: 9. Justin Part II / Hannah (the tape that describes Jessica's rape at the party) 10. Sheri (the fatal car crash) 11. Clay 12. Bryce 13. Mr. Porter Either way, Clay was supposed to pass it on to Bryce. Clay chose to skip Bryce (who would've never passed it on, not even under the threat of the back-up tapes being released everywhere -- Bryce is far more likely to destroy the tapes himself, then head over to Tony and destroy the back-up as well) and hand the tapes directly to Mr. Porter). As for the notion of Hannah's suicide and tapes as a giant revenge plot ... If that was Hannah's intentions, she failed miserably (and I hope the critics catch this aspect of the plot). Look at who were affected deeply by the suicide and the tapes: Clay, Sheri, Alex, and arguably Justin / Jessica (although in the latter, the impact is mostly as a result of the covered up rape being revealed than as a result of Hannah's death itself). Those are the people whom Hannah cared about and would not want to hurt. On the other hand, those whom Hannah would probably truly want revenge on -- the ones who really hurt Hannah, such as Bryce, Courtney, Marcus -- they truly did not give a crap that Hannah killed herself, and were actively trying to prevent her final message from going out. They were either completely oblivious to the damage they had done (Bryce) or were actively trying to sabotage Clay's attempts at getting the truth out and claiming that Hannah was lying about everything (Marcus, Courtney). So if Hannah's goal was to get revenge on those who wronged her and make them feel bad for being a reason why she killed herself ... she failed. This isn't a "revenge story." This is a story that shows how wrong bullying is.

I don't see the TV series going more than 10 seasons myself (actors aging and becoming bored, ratings dropping, etc.). The Whispers story line seems like a good place to finish off the TV show to me. And I can see the show doing the "Two Years" time jump after All Out War ends. It would at least provide *some* justification for the rapidly aging child actors (Carl, Enid, etc.) looking so much older. I don't think the show could play out the whole "mystery" of whether Michonne was alive or not, but then again this is the same show that dragged out Glenn's dumpster fate, so who the heck knows?

I've watched the episodes up at this point. I'm fairly sure that Clay is Tape #12 and Bryce is Tape #13, and that the tapes are passed on to the next person in order of which tape they were (so Justin was the first person to get the tapes, Jessica the second person, and so on), which is why Bryce hasn't heard of the tapes yet and why the other students are so hell bent on getting Clay to give up the tapes -- so that Bryce will be protected. Now, off to see if I was right or not.

My hope for Season 2 is that it adheres closer to the source material. In minimum, I'm hoping to at least see either New York City or San Francisco (and their respective comic book stories) this season.

Premiere date for S2 was just announced. June 19, 2017. Airing on Mondays now. Probably a wise move, as that moves it out of the "Game of Thrones" time slot.

Of the three episodes in the first season, I think this one probably felt the most personal and horrifying. While I can see the positive aspects of this type of technology, I can easily imagine younger me using that technology to obsess and over-analyze everything. Arguments would've been so much worse, and definitely would've became much more about "winning" and proving one's point instead of compromising. Petty grudges would've been held on much longer, especially with all of the memories of the incident that caused the grudge constantly at easy access. Cyberbullying would've been taken to a whole new level. Seriously, the worst parts of middle school and high school would've been magnified by a million times. As for the story itself -- I'm fairly sure that not only did Liam kill his wife, he also killed the baby. It's obvious that no condom was used (hence why Fi was so reluctant to share her memories), which would've put the parentage of the baby into question.

Flores was the only one to return on the bus. If this show is following the mythos set up in the comic books ...

You might as well, because the comic and the show are completely different at this point. My only concern would be that you might spoil some future possible plots, as well as the purpose of the 1881 scenes, that the show is setting up as mysteries. But even as a comic reader, I have absolutely no freaking idea where the plot is heading.

I think you're confusing two characters. The man who was constantly criticized and told by Jesse to "open his heart" was Ted. The abusive dickhead that was beating on his wife was Donnie. Jesse didn't "do nothing" about Donnie. In the pilot, Donnie confronted Jesse at a bar, and although Jesse tried to stay out of it, Donnie started talking about how he'd beat up his son. That made Jesse Hulk out, and Jesse made Donnie "make a funny sound." Donnie was present in this episode as well, with Quinacannon's group (he's the one who smashed that guy's face into the steering wheel). Ted, on the other hand, got on a flight, went to Florida, then literally opened his heart to his mother.

That's my guess as well. Jesse will probably leave Annville at the end of S1 (while taking care of the Salvation storyline). If there's a S2, I expect that'll probably deal with his initial quest to find God and we'll get the New York serial killer story and the San Francisco sex party story, and be introduced to the Grail. I expect we'll meet Grandma and finish everybody's back stories in S3 then we'll jump heavily into the Grail and the "Proud American" story after that. All I know is that we must get Starr at some point. MUST!

Watched this episode last night. It's an interesting experience, having read the comics (and absolutely loved them) and watching this show. On one hand, the plot is so completely different from the comics that I genuinely have no idea where this show is heading. But on the other hand, there are things this show has set up and is hinting at that I already know the answers to, so I know why certain characters are doing certain things, but it's clear that non-readers would have no idea what's going on. (The cowboy in the 1881 cold open sequence, for example.) Like a few people have mentioned above, I am a bit annoyed by the constant use of "Preacher" to reference Jesse Custer. It's like it's his "superhero name" or something. I mean, it's ok if it's used as a descriptor, but it's not his name. No one calls people solely by their name. Sheriff Root is not called only "Sheriff" for example. He should be called Reverend Custer, not Preacher. My wife, a non-reader, was completely unimpressed with the show. I think there's simply too many things going on, and the pace is too slow to retain her interest. Too many questions are being set up. (What's up with that 1881 cowboy, and what is his connection to the present-day story? How the heck did those two cowboys get dismembered and come back -- or did they? What is Tulip's ultimate plan, and why does she need Jesse Custer to be a part of it? What's up with that Quinncannon dude and the purchase / destruction of the house? What's the deal with Eugene "Arseface" Root? And I'm probably missing a couple of unanswered questions.) Some things were confusing, visually. (For example, what was Jesse looking at when he got tasered? We had to rewind to figure out he was looking at a baby carrier.) There's not enough answers --- yet. I wish there had been a scene where Cassidy went to finish burying the boxes only to find them opened and empty. At least that would've somewhat clarified that the two cowboys came back to life, and that the scene of them at the sheriff wasn't a flashback. I'll give it this season. I'm hoping the overall plot arc comes together in a satisfying conclusion that sets up Season 2, and that the show delivers on the promise that the comics had.

Looks like there will be only two installments of "Talking Preacher" (and seriously, there needs to be a better title for the after show, something that is thematically appropriate instead of riffing on "Talking Bad" and "Talking Dead"). Seems kinda pointless, if you ask me.

Not sure how beneficial this thread will be, as the show seems to be going in a completely different direction than the books did. This isn't The Walking Dead, where the plot is mostly the same, just with some characters swapped around. As it stands right now, the show is basically expanding on Jesse Custer's five years in Anneville (which the books completely skipped over) while merging it with the "Meatman" aspect of the "Salvation" storyline. Which makes sense, because the Salvation storyline would've never went over well as a TV adaptation. For starters, Tulip and Cassidy are completely absent from that story, and you can't do that on a TV show. You can't just tell two main characters "ok, we don't need you this season, go and find something else to do, and we'll see you next year." So I guess we'll be getting more into the idea of Jesse Custer as an actual preacher, which we only got in one single issue in the comics, and how he deals with his crisis of faith and being lured into the adventurous and freedom that Tulip and Cassidy both offers. They also seem to be beefing up the roles of Fiore and DeBlanc, and having them sort of assume the role that the Featherstone and Hoover had in the books. While the comics immediately hit the ground running, introducing the Heaven / Hell schism, the origin of Gensis, and the Saint of Killers in the first issue, I think the show is going for a more gradual approach. We'll start with Jesse Custer and Anneville, then gradually open up his world. I expect to see Grandma / Jody / T.C. and that whole back story in the second season (and possibly Cassidy and Tulip's back stories as well), then we'll get to the Grail and the conspiracy to bring around Armageddon in the third season, and then it'll ramp up from there on.