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Hi all, not watching Joan's season as I can't stand all the cosmetic surgery and I think she is an awful representation of a genuine senior woman. That said, I came here out of curiosity after reading that her season's viewership so far is about half of Gerry's. It seemed that many viewers didn't want Joan because of her disturbing face and I'm wondering if this is the main reason (sure there are others) for the low interest. Why don't these shows consider fan opinions? The same for DWTS promoting a criminal and toxic politicians. What do you think? Do these shows think shock value pulls us in? Have the antics of these reality shows really begun to turn you off? P.S.: Thanks to whoever posted that photo of Joan before. A face like that ages gracefully with minimal care. Why on earth has she done this to herself?

There isn't too much that shocks me these days, but seeing Gerry in an awards category with the likes of Alan Cumming threw me for a loop!

I think this is exactly right, just as it's been reported that they'd picked Charity for next Bachelorette early on. Joan left the show early enough that it makes me think that she would have suspected in advance of leaving home that her daughter seemed to be struggling. I've always wondered if that story was true.

I believe that is Edith and she is indeed a stunner! I was hoping that Nancy was a possibility, too. She was the one who got upset during the wedding dress photo shoot because it brought back memories of her wedding to her deceased husband. And Sandra is in amazing shape and would be a hoot to watch!

There were so many compelling and worthy women in the GB group to choose from. I can't believe this was their choice. They can filter and manipulate her press material all they want in order to entice eligible men, but their reality will be quite different in person. It's pretty sad if a woman's frozen and distorted face has come to be considered normal and attractive. With the recent young contestants we've seen on these shows, natural beauty finally seemed to be celebrated and it was such a breath of fresh air. Joey and his women were a giant step forward, but this is a huge step back. And there was so much promise!

Clearly, the intention here was just to boost the Bachelor franchise ratings. From pushing Theresa and Gerry into a shotgun wedding to picking an absurd representation of an older woman, this is just the same formula for shallow drama and failure that this show has deteriorated into. Just when American women need most to be seen as serious, vital human beings with purpose and power and not just pretty faces to toss or reconstruct as we age, we get this. No thanks. I'm not buying.

No BIP and Joan as Golden Bachelorette. Disappointment all around. There's no doubt in my mind that this Golden season will end in a nothing burger, too. What mature man will want to put up with the high maintenance Joan requires. There have been two group photos recently with several of the Golden ladies where they all have big smiles. But not Joan, she can't smile; she looked as though she was grimacing. And they had to use a filter to shoot her promo. So much for the optimism that, with new PTB and a successful Joey season, things were on a healthier track going forward.

There was a couple (not Kenny and Mari or "Goose" and what's her name) who got married on BIP years ago and it later came out that it wasn't a legal marriage, so I've been wondering about this, too. The pressure put on Gerry and Theresa for this fast marriage would not have helped their relationship. I wish their families had talked them out of that and I hope that if this "Golden" show continues, they leave grandchildren out of it.

So true. It's amazing how classy this season was after all the past train wrecks. I really believe getting rid of Mike Fleiss has been a game changer. Joey and the women (except Sydney and Lea) really set a high bar which will be hard to follow. I agree, too, with a previous comment about how naturally lovely the women were. For years there were so many contestants with the same color ombre hair that we had trouble telling them apart, or we could count on everyone having crazy blonde hair extensions, boob jobs, and tarantula eyelashes. I hope the franchise continues to favor this natural look to reflect and affirm what real women look like.

It is sickening! I wish I could say I'm surprised but, sadly, I'm not. This type of behavior is a cancer destroying everything now. We can't even enjoy the escape of TV without it.

Do you think they're going to show the rest of last night's episode BEFORE the WTA? That way, the final episode would only be about the final 2, as usual, and the 3rd place gal could still be at the WTA.

It seems (IMHO) that the producers are less manipulative since Fleiss left. I really think Leslie's choice of words with Kelsey were all her own. Everything she said we've heard from her a thousand times before. She's a very negative person and I won't watch if she's the Golden Bachelorette, either. On a separate note, someone mentioned Leslie's hair. I think it makes her look even more dour. Long hair like that on an older woman drags her face down and makes her look older, not younger. I'm not saying their hair has to be very short, just that keeping the same style they most likely wore in high school is not the win they think it is.

I hope Joan isn't. These beautiful young women don't need to see an example of "Hey, grab him now or you'll have to do this to your face when you're older and single." Leslie also looked like she's aged 10 years since Golden Bach. Must have been the devastation of returning that 70K wedding gown. Do you think the vocal fry might be related to her hearing loss or adjustment to her implant? I've been wondering about that.

Maria also looks a lot like Jeanine Mason from SYTYCD and Grey's Anatomy.

I was feeling over these shows and wasn't going to watch this season. I'm not sure what made me change my mind, but I ended up binge watching and catching up to this week. Joey is an amazing bachelor. I've watched all but the first seasons of Bachelor and Bachelorette, and the bachelors have all driven me crazy with their inability to see through mean girl drama and manipulation. Joey has done both, and he has great taste and true emotional intelligence. How refreshing to not be yelling at the TV because a dumb bachelor is falling for hijinks! The show also seems to be much better edited than in Fleiss days. The dates are more interesting and the show seems to move along much faster. When Joey and Jess were rolling around in paint, it was just a brief part of the show. Fleiss would draw out all the boring junk like eating off each other and activities where contestants were beating each other up. All in all, I'm glad to be watching and I hope the improvements continue!