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I’m going to give Kimberly a pass on this (for now, I’m sure my charitable mood will pass the more I see) for being exhausted and disappointed and letting it all out in an explosion of feelings and then getting more and more worked up at feeling dismissed. Full disclosure, I’d have murdered them both of I was there!

Won’t lie, I was weak laughing seeing BenYamens nifty outfit right through Mahogany’s rushing through the letter drop up to reveal she was long gone… much needed

Me too... you guys are my people 🤣🤣

A lot of religions are! My mother would have been very involved in the local church and I still laugh about her coming home from a meeting where feedback was being solicited on what changes parishioners would like to see and she piped up to point out that women didn’t really have much involvement in decision making and seemed to be mainly doing the support jobs and all the other elderly ladies started nodding and filling in their forms with ideas on leadership ideas... while the priest was.. not impressed.

Exactly - neither of them are wrong which makes it hard but it’s a binary choice and a legitimate deal breaker. * also, something same age couples could have agreed on beforehand and one could change their mind

Kenny and Armando: I’m super biased as I love Armando. I think this is an issue with an age gap. Kenny isn’t wrong to point out he’s a whole generation older than Armando and that’s something they need to consider. Armando is totally right to express that he wants more children. It’s not on Armando to consider Kennys children, just Kenny himself. I really hope they work it out. I’m straight and cis so I can’t understand the discrimination Kenny and Armando face - this is coming from a place of trying to learn. From my own experience growing up in a country that has seen massive social change in the last 20 years (legalised divorce, abortion and marriage equality) and is still working to separate church and state I can see how Armandos family are having a hard time. They had an idea of Armando and now they have to recalibrate- he’s gay. He’s moving far away. He’s with someone. Kenny is a lot older. He’s from a different country and doesn’t speak the language. They’re getting married. It’s change and while it’s all hopeful it’s a lot to process. That doesn’t minimise the hurt Kenny must feel, maybe it’s context? If I or one of my siblings had come out as gay or trans, my parents would have had a similar reaction I think - I’m basing this on conversations we’d have had when children of their friends would have come out - they’d have been worried about the discrimination they would have faced back then. The grandchildren on the other hand - the only question would be are you happy? Have you met someone? Are they good to you? So I’m seeing it that family Armando are in a similar space.

Exactly! I’d freak out if those were the expectations my in laws had ... you marry the whole family in a lot of cases. Jenny - you can’t have it both ways. You want family Summit to accept you - do it their way. Otherwise, you have to deal with being excluded and that Summit might not be happy with that.

Ari and Bini - I think my issue is this: Ari wants to live in Ethiopia when things are going well. I’ve no problem with her exploring all the medical options for Avi (if I was in the US and needed treatment I’d feel more comfortable coming home for it if possible as I’d feel I’d be more familiar with how those systems work). However, that’s part of the deal with emigration. If it happens again, if the treatment has to happen immediately.. I’m sorry for Bini to a point - I get the feeling he sees Avi as an extension of himself rather than an actual person with his own needs (didn’t do anything to present the medical case for staying, or look up the differences between the 2 systems) and it came down to “this will upset me so don’t go” if that makes any sense. I can’t be too mad at Janice for wanting them to move to the US - I’ve a sister in another country and I’d love her and her children to live closer. It’s not going to happen as they’ve their lives built there but all the same... a selfish bit of me would love if they moved. Both Ari and Bini seem really young? Immature? Or am I just jealous that my parents aren’t paying for my house and live in nanny/house keeper while I stay at home?🤣

I missed that! I owe everyone an apology, earlier in the season I was reserving judgement on SteVen and said that maybe he was immature and could grow up a bit bit no - he’s a hypocritical, sanctimonious hobgoblin. * * I realise it’s a TV show and I’m basing this on an edit. In the interests of full disclosure anyone using religion to push an agenda that keeps them at the top of the power structure is guaranteed to wind me up.

This is why I’ve told all my friends and family that in the unlikely event I’m ever news worthy they’re barred from tagging me in unapproved photos (or god forbid, giving or selling photos to the media) 🤣

Agreed. I really like Alina and I thought her subject choices for uni study were super interesting. Steven .. while I don’t think he’s a bad person (yet! - reserving right to change mind) he’s not on the same level as her from what we’ve seen. Either he’s less mature (almost certainly and that’s grand he should take his time to grow out of it before starting a committed relationship) or he wants to follow a strict unquestioning doctrine (funny how so many of those seem to align with the best interests of the proponent)

Joining in from the lurkers 😀 I’m not a Jenny fan but at least she seemed slightly skeptical at the solictor/lawyer regarding the missionary visa that didn’t require any work or conversion. However - no sympathy for her as she seems to be missing the key issue - Sumit/Summit/Sumeat/Sumee doesn’t want to marry her. There’s no solution that leaves both Jenny and his parents happy so rather than confronting this issue and either marrying her or telling her he won’t (his parents aren’t coming around) he’s going to muddle along. I’m a big believer in “no decision is actually a decision too” and that dishonestly in behaviour, even leaving out his previous form is...not good. Ari and Bini - train wreck. Bini seems emotionally immature and Ari... look, I’d be useless in a totally different culture, environment and away from my support network! I just can’t get my head around how she seems to see herself as this cool, capable chick when she really isn’t. No shade on people who are still figuring it out (I include myself in that), my ire for her is that her choices are affecting other people, most of all baby Avi. Every time I start to feel a bit sorry for her she does something to make the rage come back - not being able to make the bed! Bra-gate! Putting Binis ex on the spot! “Forgetting” her ring! Corey and Evelin - never got that invested in them. The fact they’re already married makes my head hurt. I would say I would have been unimpressed with the prom dress - when I was getting married we spent a lot (for us) because we had no dependents, wanted all our family and friends there and wanted to have a fancy honeymoon. Even then, we went through our budget and worked out where we would go mad(meal, honeymoon, our wedding outfits) and where we’d cut back (Hen and stag nights, hired cars, plainer invites). I suppose if I liked them I’d handwave it as TLC footing the bill but I’m biased against them. Steven and Alina - I actually like both of them! I just think they’re miles too young for this carry on. (Come back to me in a few weeks and I’ll probably have ranted against both of them). The catfish set up with Alina and Masha(?) cracked me up. TBC Ellie and Victor - wwhhhyyy? Have your holiday fun. All I could think was that they wouldn’t let commercial flights land on the island if things where that bad and when I heard they were doing the last leg I thought alway right! I feel (armchair psychologist) that she’s a lot of unresolved feelings around her husbands death