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On 1/13/2024 at 5:28 AM, FancyRhubarb said:
If I live to be 10000 I will never understand what the hell the writers were thinking when they wrote Vinny's exit story. He threw himself in front of Liam's car so Liam would go to jail and Thomas would finally get Hope? Really, Bell??
It's Bradley Bell. 'Nuff said.
On 1/13/2024 at 10:19 AM, NinjaPenguins said:Good ol’ Truthful Thomas. “Yes, I tore after Emma hell-bent for leather because she was going to tell you Beth was alive, which would have cockblocked me, btw, and I pursued her aggressively enough that her high rate of speed took her off the road. I then became an instant vehicular accident analyst and deduced survival was impossible. I tampered with evidence so no one would know I was there. But I’m not responsible. Forgive me?” Sure, bud.
On 1/14/2024 at 8:23 AM, Anna Yolei said:And why tell now, almost five years after the fact, and not, oh I dunno, after he first got Hope? Or any of the times he was declared cured?
This is a very obvious vehicle to set up Hinn but if this is what wakes Hope up, so be it.
I am so happy that this Emma murder is finally getting resolved. I have disliked every incarnation of Thomas. The creepy teen version was the best, this actor was the best of the three. But I hated his illegal immigrant storyline with the daughter of the maid that Stephanie got killed, and he was really wacko when he burned Rick's car and slept with Amber.
The plastic mannequin version was a bad actor, he makes the actor playing Finn look like a thespian. Best known for the RV hijinks in Cabo San Lucas and the boinkberries with Brooke.
This latest version of Thomas is my least favourite because he just oozes creepy sleaze and I hate that nobody on the show sees that at all.
Why has it taken so long for him to admit that he saw Emma go off the road, and he didn't say anything about it? Really? A woman died and he didn't call anyone?
Since this is Bradley Bell, and Bradley seems to view certain characters as his alter egos, I predict that absolutely nothing will happen to Thomas other than possibly losing Hope. He's Ridge's son so of course he isn't going to prison.
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Congrats to Elizabeth Debicki for her GG win! I thought she had zero chance, every prediction I read said that Meryl Streep was a lock.
Congrats also to her for her SAG nomination. She was the only good thing about The Crown this year. I doubt she can beat Sarah Snook, but the recognition is nice.
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I read The Weekend Retreat by Tara Laskowski. This is another And Then There Were None derivative-type book, where a group of people are in an isolated location. Most have secrets and some are not who they seem to be. The group consists of six people, the three Van Ness siblings (brother/sister twins and their younger brother) and their significant others. They are returning to the Van Ness estate and winery in the Finger Lakes region of New York. The house has been empty since the death of their mother earlier in the year, but it is an annual tradition to celebrate the birthday of the twins at the estate, so they all go. Soon, it is apparent that an intruder is leaving gifts with cryptic notes hinting at secrets to be revealed that weekend. A storm descends upon the estate, knocking down a large tree and cutting the estate off from the world.
The book uses a conceit often used in these types of books, the flashback. We are told on page 1 that there have been multiple deaths at the estate. Then the story unfolds as flashbacks recounting the events of each day.
Overall, the story was well done, although a bit predictable. The chapters are narrated by the three women (sister, sister-in-law married to the twin brother, girlfriend of the younger brother) with the occasional chapter narrated by a mystery "party guest".
My complaint is that the author must hate women, because each of these three was a walking stereotype. One is the powerful and bitchy CEO of her own beauty and wellness company. One is the woman devoted to the late matriarch and desperate to fill her shoes as the next matriarch and always eager to please. One is an apparent naive and innocent girl just trying to fit in. All are extremely devious in their own way and none come across well at all.
It would have been nice if some of the chapters had been narrated by the men of the family. As it was, without getting much insight into their thoughts, all of them were sort of blank slates.
I did enjoy the book overall. I think Laskowski is a good writer and this book was much better than many of the other dreck entries in this type of genre, such as everything by Lucy Foley and Sarah Pearse. Will be interested to check out her other books and to read her next one.
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Simu Liu: “by this, of course, we mean ‘white people roles’ “. So hilarious! Loved how the white people roles described were all alcoholics! Simu and Issa were funny together.
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6 minutes ago, ProudMary said:
Andra Day and Jon Batiste are the best pairing of the night. Natural!
Yes to this! They were comfortable with each other and hilarious. I loved Andra saying she got her start singing in a strip… and then cutting herself off and squinting at the teleprompter. I loved them geeking out to each other about video game music.
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I usually love the Golden Globes because there aren’t really any “lesser” categories, they’re all acting or notable awards. But I’m not feeling it tonight.
I’ve never heard of this host but he is AWFUL. He hit rock bottom with the “they served sushi. I’m Filipino.” non-joke. What?!
The other awful thing about tonight is the forced/scripted/awkward banter between two random people. Just get on with it.
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I think Janelle Parrish and Keyshia Cole are both better singers than Ne Yo. I would have had either of them as the winner instead of him.
I'm assuming Constance Wu and Ashley Tisdale are going to be on the slate in future seasons.
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I also finished The Corsican Shadow by Dirk Cussler. Dirk has taken over the Dirk Pitt series after his father Clive died. Although he has improved since his initial efforts, it's quite evident to me that he's a fairly bad writer with none of the creative imagination and genius that his father had.
A Dirk Pitt novel used to be full of adventure and fantastic plots. With Dirk, the plots have become rather pedestrian and predictable. So disappointing. There's no magic in any of books anymore.
I also finished The Edge by David Baldacci. This is the second book in the 6:20 Man series. Travis Devine is now working for the U.S. government and is sent to investigate the murder of a CIA agent in Maine.
There is almost no continuity from the first book apart from Travis and his handler boss, but I enjoyed this book a lot. The mystery was well crafted and Devine is an enjoyable character.
On 12/27/2023 at 5:58 AM, EtheltoTillie said:I know what you mean, but I listen to audiobooks in the car and I love it. I have for decades! Yet I don't do it elsewhere. I mostly save the books I'm in the middle of for car listening.
Driving takes focus but it's just the right amount of focus that is needed to concentrate on the book. I save this for mysteries/crime novels. If I get into a difficult bit of traffic or have to follow directions in a new place, I turn off the book.
I too listen to audiobooks in the car. I have a 40 minute commute each way to work, and if I didn't have audiobooks, I'd just be constantly changing the station on the radio. Occasionally I will space out and have to rewind the book when I get to a stoplight or stop sign.
I used to get CDs from the library, but ever since discovering that audiobooks from Libby or Hoopla can be downloaded onto my phone, I've taken to listening to them at the store and sometimes even the gym. Great way to pass the time, especially when stuck in a long return line at a store!
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On 10/13/2023 at 9:27 AM, Mindthinkr said:
I just finished Murder in the Family
I wasn’t a fan a first about the writing style (done as interviewing people as they tried to solve the case), but once I got used to it it flew by. Lots of twists and turns.
On 10/13/2023 at 11:11 AM, Irlandesa said:I have this book from the library. I almost returned it when other books I want to read came in because of the style but I'll keep trying.
I just finished this book, Murder in the Family by Cara Hunter. This is the first book of hers I read, apparently she has some bestselling books in the UK market.
A noted filmmaker who produces true crime documentaries decides to take on his family's 20 year old unsolved murder. When he was 10, his 26 year old stepfather was murdered. The crime was never solved. He gathers 6 experts and films a documentary style series which explores them trying to solve the crime.
The format was interesting. At first I thought it was a very lazy way to write a book, it was mostly just dialogue and a transcript of interviews. But in the end, I decided it was a creative approach to telling the story.
I enjoyed the various twists.
Question about the ending (warning, major spoiler):
SpoilerAfter it is revealed that Guy himself was in fact the killer, we get told that he is found dead. The article seems to suggest that he killed himself out of guilt. But another article states that a woman with red hair and glasses was seen leaving his house, implying that she caused his death by overdose. So are we to assume that this mystery woman is the long lost missing sister of "Luke" from Canada? She kills Guy out of revenge? Even though she thought her brother had died long ago and didn't know that he had changed his identity multiple times?
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On 12/16/2023 at 7:31 PM, Anna Yolei said:
I had little use for Taylor but she managed to step into the shoes to replace a rather beloved actress in a role with many dedicated fan and cultivate a fanbase on par w the one Tylo had and it's nothing short of bizarre that Bell would just let that go.
Bizarre but not at all surprising.
It's typical Bradley Bell. I get that it's his show but often times it seems lhe is like a petulant child, it's almost like if the actor looks at him wrong one day, they are dead to him and suddenly he stops writing for them. It happened with Flo and Wyatt who just mysteriously disappeared (Flo several years ago, Wyatt a few months ago) with zero explanation.
This has happened time and time again on this show. Characters just disappear overnight. Then suddenly one day they pop up again with zero explanation, as if they have always been in town, just offscreen. This has happened with Felicia several times. She had this huge cancer storyline, she had a frontburner pairing with Prick, then she just disappeared. The next time we see her at some holiday/family gathering it's years later and nobody asks her where she has been.On 12/17/2023 at 7:53 AM, SweePea59 said:As an unapologetic Sheila fan, I could have gone for some more back and forth story between Taylor and Sheila. Taylor thinks she can reach the psychopath, Sheila cons Taylor, for a while anyway. There could've been more meaty fun there.
And in all seriousness, wouldn't it be fun to see Taylor "die" yet again. ;)
The actress who played Taylor had a lot of potential, so strange but not surprising that she is gone. I agree that I would have enjoyed another round of Sheila vs. Taylor, and they could have written her out with yet another death. Then resurrect her again later when they need her. Instead, just gone. I guess there's little room on the B&B canvas for anything except mostly Liam / Hope / Finn / Steffy.
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On 12/16/2023 at 7:30 AM, Lilac2000 said:
JMW and Thorsten Kaye won lead actor daytime Emmys...I have thoughts but cannot express them eloquently so will just leave it there.
They are two of the worst actors on the show. What kind of blackmail material does Jackie Wood have over the Daytime Emmy voters that has enabled her to win THREE times?! Will Katherine Kelly Lang ever win? I personally would have given the award to Sharon Case this year.
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16 hours ago, alexa said:
All of the builds were underwhelming and it has been clear who they wanted to win for a while now. I can’t say I am surprised about the winner as the others did too personal of a build that would not make for a good actual build for random Lego customers. The plane was not that well done in my opinion but gave more options for a real build.
I echo this and everyone else's comments. All three builds were underwhelming. It seems evident that none of these teams were particularly good at sculpting. I think back to all three builds from the Season 1 finale, and I think even the "you don't just understand Lego" guy Monkey and Peacock was a far superior build to any of these.
I don't understand the deal with Christopher and Robert's plane. Yes, it was big. But it was a terrible looking plane. Blocky at parts, and the cockpit looked awkward. If the BMs were going to criticise Aubrey and Ryan for the curve of their TV screen, why did Christopher and Robert get a pass on the awful curves of their cockpit? The random tourist attractions placed on top makes absolutely no sense. Is this a plane that's supposed to fly in the air with all that crap on top?
I imagine the Lego engineers are going to have to scrap all the stuff on top (who wants to play with Christopher's deeply personal Kenyan tree or Robert's Forbidden City??) and just make it into a generic huge plane. Maybe they have these extra things be side decorations (like they have with the Atari 2600 set, they have three little extra scenes representing the games on the cartridges).
Neena and Sam's tree was huge and I wish there was more attention on the tree and not the deeply personal scenes.
Of the three here, I think Paul and Nealita's build is the most commercial, it would fit right in with many Lego enthusiast's winter villages. The team could just redecorate the inside to make things less personal and more like an alpine ski chalet.
The BMs have clearly wanted Christopher and Robert to win, and I find myself just happy the season is done so I don't have to see them anymore. This season had by far the worst group of builders, none of them approach the level of talent that the top teams in the first two seasons had.
Was there a requirement that each build had to include personal elements? Because all three teams did it. What I heard was that the BMs wanted to have a lot of story. There's plenty of story to be had without having to insert very specific personal vignettes. If I heard that they wanted a set that was going to be able to sell commercially, I would have done something that would have lots of appeal. Like Notre Dame Cathedral or the Arc de Triomphe or the Louvre. Plenty of story that could have been built around the set with minifigures. Like someone ringing the big bell of Notre Dame or a gargoyle coming to life and posing for pictures. Or how about a big city zoo or aquarium? Tons of opportunities to have story and I bet it would be a big hit.
I think of actual Lego sets that I have and want and wonder what I would want to buy. It wouldn't be any of these three sets.
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On 12/3/2023 at 6:13 PM, Camera One said:
I agree there was needless attempt to re-make the Downton formula of upstairs vs downstairs on this show.
Instead of servants, they could have devoted stories to other "new money" families, or just other groups working in the city.
In terms of the servants, one difference is some of the servants in Downton Abbey had been working with each other for a long time, and with a stronger loyalty to their family.
Whereas with the Russells moving in, I initially thought it might be interesting what it was like with a newly assembled team of servants who may not have worked with each other for very long. But that wasn't really explored.
At least here, he is trying to recreate his own show. Unlike, say "Victoria", which also needlessly injected the downstairs drama when it didn't need to.
This show never explained where the Russells came from. Where they lived before, how long they have been preparing to move in to the house on 61st, how many servants they brought with them. I do think they just brought over whoever was with them at the old place and then hired more.
6 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:JF likes to wrap things up neatly, like Hollywood endings for all the deserving characters. I could watch this with the sound muted because it is so beautiful, any story line is just fodder for me but I do enjoy this show...if I wanted real history I would watch a documentary.
Brought this comment over from the Season 2 Episode 7 thread. Fellowes does tend to wrap things up, but not always. It always pissed me off the Cora assumed it was her own clumsiness that caused her to slip on the soap and lose the baby. When it was actually O'Brien and Thomas. When Cora was presumed to be dying of some illness, O'Brien could have tearfully confessed to her role. But she didn't. Then the actress left the show because she couldn't handle being hated, and the subject was never brought up again.
What really pissed me off was the redemption for Thomas, one of the longstanding villains of the show. He wound up with his dream job, despite doing everything he could to be nasty to the family in the early years.
Unlike Downton Abbey, The Gilded Age is a bit more subtle in portraying its villains. I would have thought George and Bertha are villains given the way they treat others, but Fellowes somehow views them as his heroes. He clearly views Turner Winterton as his villain, but to me, she is the hero.
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He could have re-sung "Johnny B Goode". Keyshia Cole re-sang the Mary J Blige song. I'm thinking he sang "Maneater" (they already made a Maneater/Anteater joke) and it got cut because of the lawsuit.
Candelabra / Keyshia Cole was robbed. Donut belongs in the finals. But so does she. Thanks KEN for using the bell on Gazelle just because you thought she was your friend Constance Wu. She's not!
I would have saved Candelabra over Gazelle. For next season, they should have a "second chance" episode where the 6 losers from each group's final round all sing, and one of them gets the bell used on them.
But really, I would have picked Gazelle over Cow. I think the finals should have been Donut, Candelabra, Gazelle and either Tiki or Sea Queen.
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21 hours ago, Grizzly said:
I was all prepared to not care about this episode. The old, team member is in a hostage situation, trope. But darn if it didn't pull me in and give me all the feels. The only clunker was JD and that woman in charge. Did we know he was supposed to be married? And now the Doc's personality makes more sense.
The episode completely failed with me. I know I was supposed to feel sympathy for the girl, her mom and her dying sister. But I seriously didn't care about any of them, at all. I got more and more annoyed as the episode progressed. Yes it sucks that the family is poor and can't afford the meds. However, that doesn't give this girl the right to rob a bank and then threaten to blow up innocent people. Doesn't matter that the gun wasn't loaded or that she thought the vest was a fake.
The Australian lady wanted to kill the girl and save the lives of a dozen innocents. I can't say I disagree that this seemed like the most prudent course of action.
So the mom is going to prison for concocting the bank heist with Stone. The girl is going to juvie for her actions. She committed felony murder with the shooting of the cop, she robbed a bank, she threatened to blow up innocent civilians. Serious crimes. JD implied that she wouldn't be there for long if Rosie put in a word for her. But she's still going to do some time. Who is going to take care of the sick sister? I assume there is no father, since we didn't hear anything about one.
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20 hours ago, AntFTW said:
The part that's unbelievable for me - maybe it's my ignorance because I have no idea how they managed office buildings in the 1880s- is that they were able to set up shop in an office space and building watchman has no knowledge of anyone being there. They had pay someone some rent money to be there.
These people are shelling out funds to keep the charade going, and it's not cheap... and the only target is Oscar? That just doesn't sit well with me.
19 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:The office was there longer that. Oscar went there twice: once with Maud and the second time to see "Crowther" on his own with the big check. Actually, didn't he go another time alone to write his initial check? So the office had to have been there for a few weeks.
This. Oscar was there two or three times. Was this some kind of 1880s shared We Work situation? Wouldn't Oscar have noticed if the building was completely empty? Didn't we see other people in the building? The security guard said something like "you can't be here" and acted like the entire building has been empty for weeks, and that the particular office was always empty.
Why was Oscar the only target? Why did they run immediately after getting his check? Why wouldn't they have tried to fleece another young man of money. How did they know that Oscar was desperate to get married? Seems like they knew way too much about him and his vulnerability to the scam, when he's probably not that notable in NY society in the grand scheme of things.
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On 12/8/2023 at 4:07 PM, mertensia said:
Okay, I loved that Will was basically useless during the kitten challenge.
The lie detector bit was inspired.
I thought the lie detector bit was stupid and obviously staged. Just another excuse to keep propping up Christopher in their season-long narrative of "what a calm and collected villain, he can even beat a lie detector on his way to winning Lego Masters".
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11 hours ago, qtpye said:
Dominic West is a talented actor but he is a terrible fit for Charles.
His predecessor encompassed a lot of nuance about the new King which made him feel very real and interesting.
Josh O'Connor was great. I'm not a Tobias Menzies fan, I've disliked him ever since he was Brutus in "Rome". Always looks he smelled a fart, always looks and sounds dour.
I'm curious if Part 2 of Season 6 is going to be eligible again for the 2025 Globes? Strange that a 4 episode "part 1" of a season is enough episodes to be considered for Best Drama.
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50 minutes ago, chaifan said:
I love this concept, but I'm going to say "no", simply because I don't think Fellowes has that multiple layer chess ability in him. Honestly, it hadn't even registered with me that it was the Winterton's home that Oscar had knocked at. I probably wasn't paying close attention.
One reason I think the marriage to Dashiel will not happen... this show moves far too slowly to have a child actor involved. Someone said above the daughter is supposed to be 10, but already looks older than that. With the show covering 2 months every season, pretty soon that actor is going to be 18 playing an 10 and 1/2 year old. For that reason alone, I see an early exit for Dashiel and family.
I didn't know that was the Winterton home either. I cannot recall, did we ever see a scene of her opening the door? If so, how did she get in? Didn't Oscar pick her up from there? Was she already standing outside?
That was me that referenced the girl being 10. On the show they said she was 14, but I said she looks 10. Or at least she acts 10. She certainly doesn't act like a 14 year old to me.
1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:Oscar might have to get a job! Oh the horror, the horror!
He already has a job, he is a banker. Not sure where he works since I don't think we've ever seen him working. I still don't understand how he was able to access all of his mother's money, I would have thought in the past that she would have laid down strict rules about how much of her money he can invest or access.
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6 hours ago, AntFTW said:
It's funny that Ada said they should ask Mrs. Fish's husband because his grandmother was a Stuyvesant, and no one took her up on that.
I could have sworn that Aurora or somebody had said they would ask someone and confirm the Stuyvesant connection. I guess nobody did.
2 hours ago, Fake Jan Brady said:Could Cousin Dashell conveniently rethink his proposal when he realises he'll have to support Aunts Agnes and Ada as well...and they're not even related by blood [or is that just Marion?]
Dashiell is a van Rhijn, I would assume his mother was the sister of Agnes' husband. Agnes is his aunt by marriage, so he's not related by blood to Ada or Marian. Which is why he said at one point that he and Marian aren't really cousins.
In the scenario where we are assuming that Marian will feel obligated to marry Dashiell so that she can save the family financially... I think that omits the fact that Dashiell is already a van Rhijn. So regardless of whether he marries Marian or not, shouldn't he feel some familial obligation to support and help Aunt Agnes? Ada and Marian would just be the side beneficiaries since they live with Agnes.
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Only one episode left this season, and in true Fellowes fashion, the storylines are all so predictable.
1. The van Rhijns are destitute thanks to Oscar.
19 hours ago, quarks said:4. Calling it now, without any advance spoilers: next episode, Marian realizes that she can't marry Cousin Dashiell because she doesn't love him, only to realize in the very next scene or two that she has to marry Cousin Dashiell because otherwise Agnes, Ada, Oscar and the various servants, with the exception of Clock Guy, won't have anywhere to live which is just awful, only to realize that she just can't, only to be saved at the last minute by Ada's inheritance from Rev Dead Poets. (Whoever came up with that name, thank you.) Lingering shots will suggest a future relationship between Marian and Larry.
This exactly. I will add that Aurora is going to offer money (not sure if Aurora's money is her share of the van Rhijn money from her mom/dad, or if it's Fane money). Agnes refuses to accept. Especially when Dashiell is also a van Rhijn and has plenty of money (again, not sure if his money is from his van Rhijn mom, his Montgomery dad, or his dead wife).
Many scenes in the episode will be spent preparing for Marian's wedding. Marian is going to say she can't go through with the wedding so soon because of Uncle Luke's death. Ada will give a heartfelt speech about how she finally found happiness only to see it taken away, and what if she had met Luke earlier? "Follow your heart, there's no sense in waiting, you will learn to be happy." Agnes will say they need the money and encourage Marian to marry ASAP, knowing full well that Marian doesn't love Dashiell at all... she barely knows him! Especially bad coming from Agnes who also had a loveless marriage.
We will see the servants hustling and bustling downstairs. We will see Aurora tasting some soup as her house prepares for the reception.
Will the Russells be invited? Probably. I agree with you that Marian is about to go through with it even though she doesn't want to. We see a shot of that beaming precocious daughter (I was surprised to learn she is 14, I would have said 10). Dashiell has recited his vows. Now it's Marian's turn. We are mid-vow ("will you take this man to be your lawful wedded husband") when one of the servants bursts in and passes a telegram to Ada. Ada exclaims. Lots of whispering. Marian stops the priest and goes to talk to Ada, and Ada tells her the good news. She looks up and the first person she sees is Larry with a desperate look in his eyes. She decides not to go through with it.
2. Oscar. Maude Beaton is gone. I find it hard to believe that he was the only one she was scamming, really, the van Rhijns weren't THAT rich, and it seems convenient that he was a one and done. I also find it hard to believe that Agnes is blind to the fact about John Adams. Oscar specifically mentioned "that's what John Adams said". Agnes knows they are friends but she has to know they are more. John Adams was standing up and Oscar was sobbing on his crotch. Oscar will resume his relationship with John.
3. The Opera War. At this point, who cares? It's gotten so boring. Of course the Met will open, of course the Duke will be there.
4. Peggy stories. Marian accepts a position to teach at Mrs. Garnet's school. This was anvilled by "if only we could get white people who aren't Irish". Peggy will embark on a full blown affair with TT Fortune.
5. Jack and his clock. Armstrong will destroy the clock out of jealousy, or give the design to someone else. But luckily, Bannister had told Jack to submit his drawings to the friend already.
6. Watson/Collyer. Who cares? I frankly want him to accept his daughter's offer to get put up in an apartment as her retired father. Then he can be off the show. But it's Fellowes, so he's going to turn her offer down. He's going to say something about wanting to work for an honest living, and this is him now, and if she can't accept that, then goodbye. Angst, whatever.
16 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:Marian’s demeanor totally changes once she sees Larry. Dashiell who? Larry is so gentle and comforting with her. 💕
Larry and Jack have somehow become my favourite characters on this show.
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Since we don't have an Awards thread, this is the closest place to put info about the Golden Globe nominations released today.
Nominations for Best TV Drama, Best Actor Drama (Dominic West), Best Actress Drama (Imelda Staunton), Best Supporting Actress (Elizabeth Debicki).
These nominations are for the 4-episode Season 6.
I fail to understand how Imelda Staunton got another nomination, she is completely empty as Elizabeth. I guess the voters liked her speech to the public after Diana died? That speech showed zero range, it was just reading dictation in a flat tone.
I don't understand how Dominic West got a nomination either.
Elizabeth Debicki fully deserves her nomination. I dont think she has any chance to win but it's nice that she got recognised. She is pretty much the only good thing about this season.
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Marian has never shown any expectation that the van Rhijn money is coming to her. Marian is a Brook. I don't think the Brooks had much money. All of Agnes' money is from her late husband, the van Rhijns are society and all of that money will go to Oscar. Agnes is choosing to support Ada and Marian and that is her right while she is alive.
I think it seems clear that Marian would be perfectly happy being a schoolteacher. Based on the predictability of Julian Fellowes, it seems the next step is that Marian is going to work for Mrs. Scott's friend's school, even though it would probably cause something of a scandal to have a white woman work at a black school.
Thank you to Agnes van Rhijn to introduce me to a new word "hobbledehoy" - an awkward gawky youth. Why has this word mostly dropped from use? It should be up there along with other fun to say words like hullaballoo, bamboozle, gobbledygook, cattywampus, flibbertigibbet, brouhaha and mollycoddle!
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Poor Ada. It was obvious in the previous episode that something bad was going to happen to the Reverend, and I'm completely not surprised that we learned he has cancer. I would hope for a miracle cure, but this is Fellowes, so Luke is going to get his glorious death while Ada will get her sobbing scenes and then carry on. Ada will give a stoic speech about how at least she got to finally experience love, however brief. The two Brook women will live out the end of their lives with only each other.
I'm glad that Peggy finally gets some significant story, but I don't understand why it has to be completely separate from everyone else's. She might as well be on a different show. Her story is completely unconnected to everyone else's but then she is also shown popping up in the basement to remind us that she actually lives there.
How old is Dashiell supposed to be? He's a cousin on the van Rhijn side, so related to the late Mr. van Rhijn. All the van Rhijn cousins seem like they are around 40. Marian is about 25. I get that he wants a mother for his daughter, but where has he been and why can't he find anyone else? Specifically, where was he during Season 1? I think they said in the beginning of the season that he finally came home. I forget where he was or why Fellowes felt the need to introduce him.
His proposal was ridiculous. I don't think the two of them have even been on a proper date. They spent a little bit of time together and they are each other's cousin's cousin. That's enough to marry? I know this wasn't unusual for the time for people to get married who didn't even know each other, but this is a TV show, they at least could have shown us why these two are getting together.
I hate to pick on child actors, but the girl playing the daughter is abysmal.
Marian and Larry are a better match. He seemed disappointed at the proposal, we saw him turning and walking away. I know people are saying he doesn't have much personality, but he seems like a nice guy who is trying to make it in the world. He's a much better match for her than Cousin Dashiell.
Can someone remind me, what has become of Carrie Astor? In Season 1 she was being introduced as Gladys' new best friend. Has she even appeared this season? Am I imagining some kind of throwaway line that she's in Europe or was this line actually said?
Why hasn't Bertha tried to put Larry and Carrie together? In Season 1 I'm sure Lina would have been aghast, but now they have been established as some kind of frenemies. I don't know why Bertha wouldn't try to gain inroads into New York society by marrying off Larry to some heiress like a stud horse.
On 12/3/2023 at 9:38 PM, Jodithgrace said:i guess that everybody’s heart grew three sizes in this episode. The feuding butlers made up, George couldn’t fire upon men with children, Bertha ceded her primo box to the ex maid (though not for long) and Agnes unbent. She even gave a fiver to clock boy.
George said the workers have families and caved. However, he was still utterly ruthless to the Met guy. Why is his funding such a secret? Why couldn't he have just told Bertha that he knows how important it is to her that the Met succeed so he would help use their own money in exchange for a larger share of the profits?
On 12/4/2023 at 11:32 PM, buckboard said:I found Agnes's coming to comfort Ada as more self-serving than mere comforting of her sister. Agnes assumed her sister would be grateful for her offer of help to care for the ill reverend. With her husband gone, Ada would come back to live with Agnes. It all works out for Agnes who never wanted Ada to leave her.
Yes, but we don't know how long Luke has to live. Agnes was fully prepared to take Ada and Luke into the house and seemed upset that they declined. Bannister said that there was going to be an invalid in the house. Agnes wanted her staff to help care for Luke, and the bonus is that Ada would be back in the house.
On 12/5/2023 at 6:45 PM, norcalgal said:If Maud truly is a Stuyvesant and also the daughter of Gould (illegitimate, but still…), wouldn’t she have lots of money? Why would she be part of a scam to bilk people of their money? I’m still on the fence about whether Maud is in on the scam, but I lean on the side that Oscar is being hoodwinked.
I thought Aurora said that Maude's mother (or maybe grandmother) is or was a Stuyvesant. Didn't Agnes or someone say something like "I know Mrs. ABC. I'll ask her." I don't think we heard anything onscreen but I would presume that somebody did in fact verify that Maude is a Stuyvesant on her mother's side.
If that's the case, I don't get why Maude is in on the con if she is from one of the oldest families.
On 12/6/2023 at 7:25 PM, peeayebee said:Was there even a plaque at Dashielle's botanical party, or was this all just an excuse for a public proposal?
There was, we saw it in the opening scenes of the garden party. "The Montgomery Memorial Garden" or something like that.
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Ahhhh I completely forgot about this version! I now revise my assessment, this Thomas was by far the best version. Because he was completely normal and likeable. It was quite a change from the previously teen Cruel Intentions creepy and previously plastic, it was like he was a completely different character.
I forget why he and Sally broke up. Is it because the show fired Courtney Hope? Or did she not get fired until after that?
I don't care for Matthew Atkinson. It can't just be Thomas because he had a brief stint on Young and the Restless (I think he might have been a boyfriend of teenage Summer who ended up dead) and I didn't like him there either. It's probably unfair to him, but I think there's something about his beady eyes combined with the way he plays Thomas.