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i'm already rewatching lol, i was going to binge it but was slowed down by a LOT because my sister wanted to watch it and so now i have to wait for her, then recently out of the blue our mother expressed her disappointment of us looking at it without her so i'm REALLY slowed down. so i'm stuck looking at reruns half the time :T

i read somewhere that jared doesn't think he does comedy well but in what universe tho?!? that was HILARIOUS! and it's always nice to see gorgeous characters not afraid to muff up their image. like the moment when dean kept stuffing his face LOL that's how sam views him? haha not @ him acting like this is totally normal, LOL but on a side note, their little "talk" (totally not a talk, they barely said 6 words) at the end, my brother sparingly watches with me and he was there, and even he noted on how their relationship was written. he said he liked how it wasn't overly cheesy, and that they didn't hate each other either. it was just right. and i have to agree, i don't know if the writing on them was done by an expert or if the new writers just winged it, because their relationship not even as brothers but as siblings are spot on, none of those sibling fights/moments ever leave, it's just something you're born with and will have for life :) P.S., as a mad "chowder" cartoon fan, i noticed the drink name was the same as the show's cookie name. is this episode that iconic or is the creator that much of a fan? lol

thank you, it helps a lot guys! and thank you too :)

dangit, jensen is so talented. he really is made for this character. dean usually keeps his emotions under wraps (at least his sensitive ones) so when he shows just a trinkle of them, in combination of jensen's talent, it hits so dang hard. it's like what john said in the beginning of the ep: "You don't think I wanted a normal life for you two? I wanted Sam to go to college; I wanted Dean to have a family." that small mention alone put a clue in the back of my mind, and this scene with dean confirms it. it shows that, in my opinion and gatherings of what i have seen so far, that sam could live without his family, at least for a long while. in fact, the show opens with him being away from his family for at least two years and was fine with it. so this much is true. so what john meant by that is if sam had enough resources in his life, he'd be able to grow strong wings and fly; he wouldn't need his family so much. but when john said that he wanted dean to have a family, that showed that through his exterior, dean is probably the most traditional down home guy out there, maybe even more so. what this tells me is that even if dean had the lifetime equipment to fly off, he wouldn't be able to keep in the air for long. he needs his family, and only hypothetically could he survive without his direct family would be if he made one of his own, by his own blood. he wouldn't last long with distant relatives and certainly not with friends. so what do i mean by that? surely dean can have friends? yes he can, but notice how they never last long. we could argue that he travels a lot and that's probably why he doesn't have the time for any, but just hear me out. look at how dean handles the people he and his bother meet in a daily basis. he is always the blunt, rough edged one (and borderline anti social), and when he tried to hone in and be friendly and sociable, it's an even bigger turn off to people than beforehand. he even said once with what looked like a small hint a jealousy that "You know, my brother could give you his puppy-dog look, and you’d just buy right into it." he's even given hints he doesn't even like humanity itself ("Demons and ghosts I understand, people are just crazy."). so dean's private life and people are pretty tight knit. we also have to remember that, because he is the oldest and got along more with john, dean spent more time away from humanity hunting monsters and whatnot. now let's look at sam's situation before he was involved in all this drama. as said before, he had a college life, friends, surely a job and a girlfriend (as well as potential fiance). the reason why he slipped into the normal life so easily is because he understands how humans works, which applies to how he can use his "puppy eyes" on others in order to gain information he and his brother need. now, because of their differences, sam is clearly on the winning side of having at least casual friends. dean is just too far removed from society to have friends, and even if one were to try to understand him, they wouldn't be able to get much farther than his million watt smile because, as we all know, dean doesn't open up to strangers regularly. so now that the friends idea for dean is out the window, we look closer on what john meant by dean having his own family. ep 13, for its dull and uninteresting storyline, is actually the most important of the series when talking about this very subject. why? because dean - possibly for the first time in his life - was legitimately in love. he told cassie everything about himself, everything he was working for, everything that happened to him. for however his romance with cassie lasted, he had achieved his dream, he probably would have even married her just as sam would have with jessica. but it didn't last. she didn't believe much (or anything really) about what he told her, and he probably realised that his job would just end up killing her (and maybe his kids) one day anyway. he was shattered by their break up and was still bleeding over it (thus why he refused saying a word about it to sam, he never did in fact, now that i think about it). cassie wasn't only the love of his life, but also a dark, permanent reminder that he could never have his dream (his own family) just as jessica is a reminder for sam he can't have his (a normal life). in addition, he had no-one to go to for his break up and had to shoulder it alone. at least sam had his brother when jessica died right? so due to the impossible situations of not being able to have friends or his true dream, dean has to hold on to his family that much tighter. he really does have no one but his family. i know that if dean died, sam would be miserable for the rest of his life, but still try to find a way to live on. dean...i am not confident at all he would live. he would probably end up ending himself or lazily slip up during the job and have a monster do it for him. i noticed that while sam is the softer one, he is actually the emotionally strong one, and it is dean who is not only sensitive but extremely sensitive one. sam looks out for dean's heart while dean looks after sam's butt because he gets into so much trouble lol :)

my and my sister's favorite part :) https://kriscoko.tumblr.com/post/171422211788/okay-but-like-you-were-born-with-no-soul-if-you and i'm actually surprised by the amount of dislike of this episode. i did think it was rather cold of john to not answer a crying, breaking dean but again if we look at it on his side he loves his sons, he's just trying to protect him. so by not answering that call, it must have really killed him. i felt really bad for dean though, he needed his father a lot - more than ever i believe - in this season. it's a pretty okay episode for me, not terrible.

thank you everyone. and i have a bit of a request: where are the rules at, that FAQ perhaps?

thank you guys, like a lot. i have tried for almost two weeks now to find any discussions on SN and most of them are barely talking about the show, even in its recent episodes. i'm glad i kept searching. i think i will stay on this forum then!

thank you so much! this show is amazing^^

Hi I just got into SN early this month and loving it, I'm only on S2 and am bursting internally on some discussion on my journey through the series. What I mean to say is that you guys will probably see me popping up a lot in the old season episode discussions. Just a warning, thanks for reading!