Elizzikra

They can balance each other out :) Count me in on the two pitbulls! What is the problem with that? He is a great cook and knew he would be cooking for a group. Rentals never have anything besides (questionable) salt and pepper. I thought it was great that he had planned ahead and took care to cook a good meal for everyone.

I'm not.

I hate it when that happens. My current dwelling compels me to eat ice cream for dinner every night. It's a nightmare :)

I think she is angry because he lied, repeatedly. He nattered on and on about how important it was for her to be honest with him and he was never honest with her. I think it makes for pretty boring television but I like it too. I quibble with this. I don't think that Karla "quit her job to start her own business." I think she quit/was fired and absent any other plan, decided now was a good time to "start her own business." I did too. Rentals rarely have anything other than questionable salt and pepper. He knew he would be cooking for the group and he planned. Awesome! I feel like this could be David's next flirty text to some random woman, "you look so fine I want to insert my magic stick into your temple."

David seems way into Madison but I think Madison sees someone to date, drink and hook up with in David, not a life partner. I think it depends where you are in the States. I’ve been to parts of South Beach (Miami) where I felt like I was in the minority not sunbathing topless.

This is true. That’s a really good point.

I really didn’t see Karla as being “high and mighty.” She didn’t like what Madison did and how she handled the situation. That’s fine. It was honest. She doesn’t have to like everyone. I don’t remember Karla taking her top off but … she wasn’t “showing her breasts off to other men.” Maybe she didn’t want a tan line. Maybe she is more comfortable that way. Whatever - no need to slut shame her for something that is perfectly acceptable in pretty much the entire rest of the world except conservative parts of the US. And if you don’t want to take your top of on the beach on your honeymoon, by all means, leave it on. I think David would have been happy with Madison and they might have gotten a little further than they did with their current respective matches, but no, I don’t think it would have been the thing it is now. I think they liked the fact that there was some excitement and they sort of bonded over disappointment in their matches but that’s about it. I don’t see them lasting long but then again, what do I know. Maybe they will be the most successful MAFS marriage ever.

I gave Karla credit for saying something smart (granted, peppered generously with “like”) in her conversation with Madison. That’s hardly putting her on a pedestal. I don’t know if Karla knows anyone else who has cheated but I think she was pretty articulate about how she personally felt betrayal in the situation because she had felt like all the couples were mutually supportive. She felt it was dishonest for Madison to be in the conversations with the other ladies acting like she had no knowledge of what was going on with David when in fact she knew David was “catching feelings” for her. Karla specifically said she didn’t want to be in the middle of the situation and I don’t blame her. I’d feel that way if I were part of any friend group and two of the members were developing a relationship outside of their respective marriages. I just don’t want to be a part of it.

Whore. She should put her tits away and go sit repentantly in a corner. [/s] Seriously. What does that have to do with anything at all we are discussing? I’ve been busily sticking pins in little Producer-shaped voodoo dolls. What else do you want us to do? I think everyone largely agrees that David and Michelle were a terrible match. They both knew what the show was - marry a stranger (that’s the marriage you keep insisting didn’t exist happened), live together like a married couple (not necessarily a happily married couple) for 8 weeks and then decide whether or not to stay married. David flirted with Madison, lied about the fact that he did it at all, then lied about who he was doing it with, and somehow that’s all allowable because poor, poor David can’t live without flirting and/or sex for 8 weeks. Remember that David knew going in that his living in his parents’ basement would be a red flag for many women, as would the smoking. He told Michelle and then proceeded to tell her at every turn that he wanted her to be honest with him. She was. He didn’t return the favor.

Because she was lied to by both David and Madison, and she had previously considered Madison a friend. I have to get this off my chest.... STOP THE PRODUCT PLACEMENTS. They are ridiculous. "Wow, this ADT safety system really made me feel safe last night..." Please. Nah, bruh. David flirted with Madison because he's a player and he is hot for Madison. He might not have flirted with Madison if he and Michelle were getting along famously (or maybe he would - I personally think he is the type that flirts with women he finds attractive regardless of what his relationship status is). I don't think that Michelle pushed David into flirting with Madison. Plenty of couples have not gotten along but they don't go off and flirt with other people. Ikechi is a dick. I want him to go away forever and never grace my television set ever again. I didn't like Emem's letter; it seemed petty and she is really better than that. Oh - and add me to Team Karla. I found her tiresome before tonight but when the women were talking, once I could filter out all the "likes" she spoke some good, direct, truth. I think a lot of women would have tried not to say the hard thing that Karla did say, which was "I feel betrayed by you as a friend and I don't see myself, right now, continuing a friendship with you." I think a lot of women would be like "yeah, we'll do brunch" and then quietly block the person from their phone. So good for her for tactfully telling the truth.

They always do act like the marriages are ... I don't know exactly. But I keep hearing Pastor Cal saying "y'all married now - you can have sex" and that always bugged me. Like unmarried people can't have sex but people who have married but otherwise don't know each other should be having lots and lots of sex. Which - hey, if they are two consenting adults and that's what they want to do, that's great. I guess, to me, it's like the experts always see these magical bonds and connections between the husbands and wives and they are blind (or write off) all the reasons that they aren't connecting? FWIW, I like Pastor Cal too - but that one comment he's made a couple of times is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.

Wow … um ok. Before I go back to deluding myself, I do absolutely blame “the experts” or “production” or whoever for making bad matches. There was never any chance for David and Michelle. I never said there was. What I did say was that there was a legal marriage and there was no reason that any member of any of these couples can’t 1) manage to not date/flirt with/sext/have sex with anyone else while legally married and 2) why any one in any of these marriages needs to lie about having dated/flirted/sexted/had sex with anyone else. Also the fine for ending the relationship early is not documented anywhere. I have reason to believe that David lied because he thought his text to Madison was going to end up costing some random amount of money. i also don’t agree at all that Madison is hotter than Michelle. I think Michelle has been stunning all season on After Party though I have not liked her episode looks as much. Madison’s overdone style isn’t really my thing.

They danced like no one was watching...

You stand up. You take vows. You sign the marriage certificate. And this case, it's eight freakin weeks. There is a definite end date in sight. There was definitely a marriage, however incompatible and dysfunctional it might have been. David could have waited. There was no reason not to wait, and absent that, not to be honest about what he was doing. Agreed. Say Michelle had been the one to send a flirty message to some guy? Would everyone say "hey, not really cheating?" This has never been confirmed as far as I know. It gets thrown around a lot but it's just speculation. Again, can David really not go without sex (or flirting) for eight lousy weeks? Must he come back? Can't he just stay gone?

I guess that's the whole point of these "behind the scenes" things, but it did look like the cast got along well and had some fun. I hope that's actually the case. So funny to think about Christian Slater and Patrick Dempsey starting out together 35 years ago. I'm old enough to remember that!