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  1. Two recommendations on Hulu:

    • Wild Crime is one of those where the whole season is dedicated to one crime, and there are four episodes per season. I prefer one-episode whodunnits, so I stopped after season 1, episode 1. But season 1 seemed very good so far. It's the case of Harold Henthorn, one of those pushed-his-wife-over-a-cliff murderers that has been covered on multiple franchises. And with four episodes, they were able to go into a lot of detail that I had never heard before about all the reasons the death looked suspicious. Season 2 is about a Jane Doe in Yosemite, who is eventually identified, but I think the murder may still be unsolved...although one of the suspects is Cary Stayner, who was an employee at the Cedar Lodge motel and killed a mother, daughter, and daughter's friend that were staying there, which is a case that's appeared on several franchises. (OMG, I just looked this up in Wikipedia and it says that Stayner was questioned originally in the murder of the three women, but he was not considered a suspect at that point because he had no criminal history and remained calm during the police interview. Great detective work, guys. SMH.)
    • Mother Undercover is another four-episode series, but there is only one season. It is very good, and is about mothers who went undercover unofficially to solve a crime or bring about justice.

     

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    On 11/9/2023 at 10:54 AM, Jeanne222 said:

    I liked Onion and his bride.  They seem comfortable together.  Partners.  I'll be sad if this one doesn't work out.

    I like them, but dang, they speak so precisely and carefully, as though every.single.word has been thought out and analyzed before saying it. I wonder if they can be spontaneous, light, and playful in conversation. 

    On 11/9/2023 at 12:08 PM, Katie111 said:

    I also found it weird in the aftershow when she said how little he packed for the honeymoon (like 3 shirts for a week).  

    Here's what I found weird from the aftershow...Clare said that underneath that bathrobe that Cameron slept in (which was weird enough), he had on a shirt and shorts!

    On 11/9/2023 at 12:08 PM, Katie111 said:

    Clare is (supposedly) a therapist.  I would think she would be able to talk to her husband, especialy since she keeps saying how much her love language is through talking.

    Her repeated communication mistakes, especially for being with someone that she is just getting to know, are detrimental to their relationship and certainly not an endorsement of her therapist abilities!

    On 11/9/2023 at 8:04 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

    He is taken aback by her "we're  not romantic yet, right?" So he saves face and agrees. 

    I actually found this to be her biggest mistake, because of the incredible amount of disastrous assumptions that it introduced and that kept building on each other.  First, Clare assumed that Cameron was not feeling her in a romantic way. So rather than actually ask him about it so she could gather useful and accurate information, she phrased it as a statement that was essentially speaking for him and presenting it as a fact.  Then he assumed that she was speaking about herself, that she wasn't feeling anything romantic, so rather than verify if that was right or speak up if he actually was feeling romantic, he went along with the statement and her assumption. Then when he went along with it, she assumed that it meant he was in agreement. This left neither of them accurately represented, and thinking incorrect things about the other person, which all could have been avoided by simply asking questions (like Becca and Austin did).

    On 11/9/2023 at 8:04 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

    But I also find Clare extremely inarticulate, in the sense of saying seemingly contradictory things interspersed with "like" and "you know what I mean?" What did she find so difficult about saying straight out (she eventually gets close), "I need to be shown a man cares for me before I can feel comfortable with getting physical." Or, more succinctly, "Romance before sex, Husband." 

    The thing I was so taken aback by, was I believe the next morning, and Cameron said something about how much he likes to cuddle, and Clare completely said nothing, after he hadn't even come close to cuddling. She should have used that as a launching point for a non-nagging, exploratory question to help both of them discuss that. It seems like each of them say these blanket statements, and then there is no probing or follow-up to really understand or express confusion about what they are saying, especially when it diverges from what they have actually seen.

    On 11/9/2023 at 8:04 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

    Re: Airport, C&C: Just re-watched. Yes, Cameron was maybe a couple paces ahead of Clare, but those behind them weren't exactly in lockstep. When C&C passed through the doorway, they were essentially side by side. Then we see more in Clare's relating the moment while they are in the hotel room.

    The part I remember where she was talking about him being ahead, was when the whole group was in the walkway to the airplane (I forget what you call those things), and he was chatting away with the group and she was farther behind. It just didn't look like what I would expect a supposedly considerate and caring brand-new husband to do.

    7 hours ago, Empress1 said:

    I walk really fast, and adjusting my gait for someone who walks slower is a challenge. I can certainly do it, but I’ve been called on it before. It may take Cameron a minute to realize that he has to slow down.

    But it's sooo much more than just the mechanics of his walking faster than her. If you walk faster than someone, then they aren't going to be beside you. And that simply doesn't appear to be a concern for him, which is not a good way to build (or maintain) a foundation.

    9 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

    He doesn't appear to have any idea of how to treat a wife, young woman!  He's still just a boy!

    He told her family something like "she will certainly feel loved". I really wonder what of his past behavior has made the woman he was with feel loved. We haven't seen him do anything so far that would convey even mild affection with Clare (and her ITMs seem to confirm that).  Even if he thought she was not feeling him physically, he could still have connected with her when they went to bed in a non-physical way, but he didn't.  He apparently wasn't being chivalrous, or apparently even considerate, with her bag...even if she had described herself as independent, that doesn't mean that as a fellow human, he can't ask if she needs help with her apparently much heavier bag than his, especially as part of getting to know someone else's preferences.  And with all the walking ahead, he wasn't making her feel like he even wanted to be with her. 

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  3. On 10/31/2023 at 10:57 AM, laurakaye said:

    I need a fade-out scene at the very end of this entire show, showing us Kody picking Robyn up from her first shift manning the french fryer at McDonald's, dejectedly getting into the car with her eyebrow stencils melted down her cheeks and her hair full of fry grease splatter.

    OMG, this is the greatest imagery ever!!!!

    On 11/2/2023 at 11:38 AM, xwordfanatik said:

    Those two toxic shitheads have no shame.  How sad for Truely and Ysabel to know they'll never be valued like DABSA.  

    That's my first time seeing DABSA...love it!

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  4. On 11/4/2023 at 10:59 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

    I saw the recent spi of Accused::   Guilty or Innocent--the one when thee marine shot 3 bullets into the tires of a man in a road rage incident and the guilty partY got SEVEN FREAKIN,MONTHS!!! I would have given  him 7 YEARS.  

    OMG where to begin with this a**hole?!

    • Now that I have seen this episode ("Road Rage Vigilante or Family Protector?"), I have to amend my earlier statement that I only had 2 episodes where I've wanted to see the person found guilty...now it's 3.
    • I really wonder if A&E thought we would find the person sympathetic or not. Most cases, we do find the person sympathetic, but I didn't in this one.
    • I think the judge was fooled by this guy. At sentencing, the judge said something about how there are two kinds of people: bad people who make bad decisions, and otherwise good people who get caught up and make bad decisions. And he said this dude was the latter, but I disagree.
    • When the prosecutor asked him if he felt "authorized" in spite of not being a lawman, to shoot the guy's tires, and he said yes, that said it all. Even though the defense lawyer tried to counter in her closing by saying he meant that he felt "a duty", it was very obvious that he damn well felt he was authorized.
    • He also showed his true colors when they played the jail house recording and he talked about how the justice system doesn't do a good job. That's absolutely part of why he felt 'authorized' to take the action he did, because he distrusts the justice system. 
    • I felt so bad for the defense lawyer, especially when she was prepping him for testifying. She was warning him about having to control his behavior on the stand, and she asked if he'd be able to keep his cool. And he said, "Not only to keep my cool, but counteract whatever bullsh*t the state throws at me."  And when he added that last part, she looked so dejected, because she knew that his ideology would seep out and get him in trouble.
    • And he showed his true colors again when the prosecution played the 9-1-1 call and he appeared to call the victim a racial epithet. I was confused, because it was presented as though that was the first time that the recording had been played in the trial. And I don't recall that we, as the audience, had heard that in the pre-trial prep by the defense. But they must have listened to it in pre-trial prep, and if they did, then the defense lawyer should have told him not to lie if he was asked about calling the guy a racial epithet before the 9-1-1 call was played.  Instead, he said he didn't call the guy a racial epithet but then they played the 9-1-1 call, which showed he was lying. 
    • And here's the part no one explored, but I'm curious about. He said that the victim was tailgating the motorcyclist, so he flashed his high beams to get him to stop, and then the victim slammed on the brakes. So he said that he went around the victim's car when that happened, to avoid hitting the victim's car. This seems preposterous. If you are behind someone who slams on their brakes, the first thing you do is slam on your brakes. You don't have anywhere near the time or distance to steer all the way around the back of that person's car and come up beside them. I think the real reason he got up beside the victim's car was to gesture/glare menacingly at him or intimidate him or something escalate-ish.  
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  5. On 10/31/2023 at 5:56 PM, Armchair Critic said:

    It's on Hulu now. Looks like it could be a fun place to live if you are an extrovert. OMG that guy who lived in his van looking for a rich woman to support him. 😂

    Just watched it, and what I couldn't believe about the van guy is that his mother was still alive!

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  6. On 11/3/2023 at 9:26 AM, seacliffsal said:

    Anyway, I thought both of Theresa's sisters looked pretty and much better than their surgically enhanced sister.  

    IIRC, both Theresa's older sister and Faith's older sister looked younger than they did. And Theresa's looked significantly younger, without any sign (that I could see) of surgery.

    On 11/3/2023 at 1:05 PM, debbie311 said:

    Was it Faith in the black dress?  Did not flatter her, her boobs looked pretty saggy. 

    IIRC it was Leslie, and it was not the first time that she has worn dresses that made her boobs look saggy

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    On 11/3/2023 at 7:26 PM, bankerchick said:

    First of all, when I saw the 3 finalists again, I was once again reminded how these women (who all look better than I do) are so underwhelming.  So many more-beautiful women have already gone home.

    Ok...but...if simply being more beautiful were the most important thing, then Prince Charles would have stayed with Princess Di, and all we would need is beauty pageants to make marriage selections!

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  8. 15 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

    I saw the recent spi of Accused::   Guilty or Innocent--the one when thee marine shot 3 bullets into the tires of a man in a road rage incident ...

    If you're not watching Accused: Guilty or Innocent, you should! If you don't get A&E, it's available on A&E replay on the app, and is the only show that follows along as a trial occurs and really goes in-depth into the preparation and strategy by the defense. 

    This is the fifth season, and I haven't yet seen the latest episode that One Tough Cookie wrote about (therefore I actually didn't even finish reading the comment), but so far, I encountered only the second episode ever where I have actually wanted the person to be convicted of something. So usually, the cases are not a "did they do it?" situation, but rather a "did what they do rise to a level of a crime?", and unfortunately for society, often I wonder why on earth the person is being prosecuted for this (when other 'real' crimes seem to go unpunished).

    But in the case of the "Killer Biker or Self-Defense Shooter" episode, I disagreed with the jury and absolutely thought he should have been found guilty of something. He was the one who escalated by giving the victim the finger, he is the who escalated by walking towards the victim to engage him in proximity, he is the one who escalated by pulling out his gun. And I don't care that the re-enactment showed that he could have not noticed the victim putting his gun back...I care that he pulled out a lethal weapon, and he didn't stay aware enough to notice (if it's even true in the first place that he didn't see it...I could easily doubt this dude).

    It seems like the jury didn't consider all the escalations that he initiated, and only considered a very narrow view of what was going on at the exact time of the shooting...a situation that he absolutely 100% engineered and could have walked away from at a million different points. Now, what the jury didn't hear but I found very interesting, was when that defense-side investigator was practicing a witness-stand interrogation, and said something like, "...and then you shot him in the chest, with the intent to kill", and the guy said Yes!  I definitely believe he was being a d*ck motorcycle driver on the road and doing the speeding/weaving that the victim was yelling at him about. But dang, to have a kid in the car and pull over to engage in conflict with a stranger, is messed-up, and now the person who has to pay that penalty is the kid, who has to live with having seen his step-father get killed right in front of his eyes while begging him to stop.

    By the way, I don't recall the specific episode, but the other one where I wanted a conviction, had something to do with a property-owner and maybe shooting someone hunting on his property? Or maybe it was the one where there was a serious nuisance guy in the neighborhood, and one of the neighbors seemed to take justice in his own hands? Does anyone recall anything like this?

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  9. On 10/31/2023 at 12:46 AM, Vermicious Knid said:

    This past week's episode of New York Homicide also included some ahem, brilliant police work. 

    And I've got another one!  It's the Sherri Rasmussen case, which we've all probably seen many times before on other franchises (killed by her husband John's college ex, who was a police officer). This time it was on The Real Murders of Los Angeles, "Once Bitten". And the part that struck me is that the police went to talk to Sherri's parents, who told them that John's ex from college (it was now quite a few years since college) was causing problems and had tracked down Sherri at work and at home but they didn't know her name. So the police went to talk to John, and asked him if there were any exes that might have it in for Sherri and want to do her harm. He said that there was a girl he had dated casually in college, but it had been 8-9 years ago, and he didn't think she would do something like that.

    Then, oddly, the DA that was narrating said, "Sometimes family members have a theory based on what their sense of the case is. That's a normal reaction. But as a detective, you have to follow the facts where they lead." And then he goes on to say that crime was rampant at that time, and because Sherri's car was missing and some stereo equipment had been placed by the door (as though someone was going to steal it, but got interrupted), detectives decided that it was a burglary (even though there was no forced entry, Sherri had a bite mark on her arm which a burglar is simply not going to get involved with, none of the usual areas in the apartment had been touched where burglars would usually focus, and Sherri lived in the middle of the apartment complex but burglars usually go to the outside units to make a quicker getaway).

    And so nothing more was done about that lead, even through the next 23 years when the case went cold!!!!  Clearly the detectives didn't "follow the facts"...it's a fact that John's ex came to Sheri's work and home (good Lord, that is not a common thing at all), but they didn't choose to follow that, because, well, I guess they were completely minimizing the importance of the facts her parents said, and putting extraordinary value instead on the opinion that John expressed that his ex wouldn't have killed Sherri. It was finally solved when a cold case team re-looked at the case, decided it wasn't a burglary, and compiled a list of women in Sherri's life at the time. Then they interviewed John more in-depth than the detective had 23 years ago, and it led to the case being solved. Pathetic.

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  10. On 10/27/2023 at 6:42 PM, iMonrey said:

    I think it was more that either he or his wife decided they needed to check on Brad because he wasn't responding, the other heard, the daughter maybe heard and they all went together. He couldn't have told them not to go with him, it might have looked suspicious.

    IIRC, they didn't go over to Brad's because he wasn't responding....they went to drop off a weed whacker.  So he absolutely could have gone without them. And the wife herself, when he confessed to her in the interrogation room, realized that he had deliberately and intentionally exposed the wife and step-daughter to the murder scene. It was entirely calculated, pre-meditated, self-serving, and cruel AF for him to have them all there.

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  11. On 10/26/2023 at 8:29 PM, JenE4 said:

    What are the chances Susan hoped that they have a ride on a yacht on the water—the second before Faith comes back in to tell then about her helicopter/yacht date? 

    Yeah, at the time I remarked to myself how fake it was that Susan said that, even before Faith came in with her story!

    On 10/27/2023 at 9:21 PM, GeorgiaRai said:

    SAME!!!  When the season started, I really thought we'd be spared hot tubs and make-out sessions being this was "golden" and all.  No such luck! 

    But to be fair, there is far less tongue with the goldens!

    On 10/28/2023 at 7:46 PM, kristen111 said:

    Faith has very thin lips.  That’s how I tell them apart.

    I tell them apart because Faith has a resemblance to a younger version of Dr. Phil's wife Robin (which someone also mentioned upthread).

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  12. On 10/26/2023 at 11:48 AM, LuvMyShows said:

    Watched the latest episode of Final Moments, "The Missed Bus". Early on, there was video of the car that kidnapped the victim, and it was an unusual car. The cops found that there were 9 of the cars, and they visited all the owners. And according to what was said, all 9 owners were cleared. Later, they had reason to re-visit one of the 9, and it turns out that the alibi that cleared him was that he was at home, by himself, watching TV or something. SMH. WTAF? Since when is that an alibi that clears someone? At the very least, it should keep someone on the possible suspect list, and at the best, they should actively look into the person further.

    Quoting myself because I saw another example of this genius investigative ability, on A Time to Kill, "Easter Murder".  A young woman was murdered while working at a card shop, and they are unable to solve the crime. At some point, a call comes in about a year later from the lawyer of a woman who used to live with her husband about 10 miles from the little town where the murder occurred (they had since moved 3,000 away), and the lawyer thought the woman might have information to help the murder. 

    Apparently the husband had an infatuation with the case, the wife had a striking resemblance to the dead woman, and he had sexual tendencies that involved some level of violence. She even had a gift he said he bought from that card store. The police reached out to him and he said he was coming to town soon and would come in for an interview. But then his lawyer called and said he won't come in. And further that the wife was only doing this to gain an advantage in the custody case that they were involved in, which was a concern to the police dept. Still, the police asked him to give a DNA sample, but he refused. This made them suspicious, so they looked into his background. But when they saw that he had no criminal record and no other red flags, they decided to "move on" and didn't do an interview with him. 

    They eliminated all local suspects and the case went cold for 25 years (!!), but still they never contacted the guy for an interview. Interestingly, the narration states that the case remained a priority and that the case never "collected dust" and never "experienced a period of time where work wasn't done" (cough [bullshit] cough). Anyway, you can figure the rest..of course, he did it, and of course the woman's input was devalued and basically ignored, even when they had nothing else at all to go on in the case.

     

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  13. On 10/9/2023 at 11:43 PM, auntjess said:

    I hadn't watched this for several years, but because a family connection "married" someone he's never met, and sent her  all his money, I watched to recommend it to someone.

    Hey auntjess, are you comfortable sharing any details?  Yours is the first real-life situation like that I've ever heard of, and hearing a little more about it would help shed some light on these folks we keep watching on Catfish. 

  14. 8 hours ago, Yeah No said:

    And being OK with dating a 22 year old when she is pushing 40?  She is again in denial of her age if she thinks that this is in any way a good idea.  

    So, oddly, even though the father said the son was 28 at the time Ashley and Whitney suggested forced the date, Whitney later said that she thought he was really 22. And that's the number she was telling people that he was. So when she saw the son, that's why she wanted to see his license, because for whatever reason, she had thought he was 22. Maybe the dad has another son who is 22, and she mixed them up from when they had been talking with the dad some other time? Or maybe she misheard the dad originally when talking about his son, and thought he said 22, so when the dad said 28 this time, she just thought that was wrong? 

    But that means that in her mind, the dad either can't remember how old his own son is, or he had lied to her and Ashley, saying his son was 28 when he was really 22. Either of those are odd conclusions, rather than to think "Maybe I'm mistaken, and the son really is 28, given that that's what his dad just said!" (And I don't think it's that she wanted a better story, so she 'decided' that he was 22 even though knowing he was 28, because it would then be revealed she was wrong, and she hates being wrong.)

    I could see being 40, and 'going out' with such a younger guy, but not on an actual 'date', and just going out to have some companionship, do something fun and get out of the house, and maybe provide some life experience benefit to the guy, and maybe develop a friendship/mentorship. But to think from the outset that it was a real date, especially one not initiated by the guy himself but forced on the guy, is just absurd.

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  15. On 10/25/2023 at 7:54 PM, Meow Mix said:

    I'm embarrassed for her with this constant demand that people either go out with her or fix her up with someone.  That behavior is really off-putting.  I can see her accosting random people in the grocery store asking if they have a guy for her.  It's just weird.  Also, that one guy made it very clear he is not into her, so I hope she doesn't head off to Chicago at the end of the season telling everyone that he's the one.

    And she was telling people that the restaurant guy suggested she go out with his son, even though it was actually Ashley who instigated it. Then she genuinely seemed surprised when the son didn't ask her on another date. WTAF? The 12-year age difference is enormous at that age; like he said, they are at different stages of their life, and that is not even saying anything about whether he might not find someone her size attractive.  

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  16. 22 hours ago, kikicat said:

    Emily wins best wedding gown for this season, IMO.

    Totes agree.

    20 hours ago, Yeah No said:

    I had high hopes for Becca given that she's a wedding photographer and has seen hundreds of wedding gowns, but this was a disappointment.  I think she has seen too many wedding gowns and was tired of all the typical styles so she wanted to be different and comfortable since her midsection is sensitive from surgery.  I understand it but I think she could have picked something more flattering.

    Her dress really did not look good on her, except when she spun around. And given what she said about needing it to not be tight around her stomach because of her surgery, it actually looked very tight.

    20 hours ago, Yeah No said:

    I think Becca and Austin may actually be too much alike and might get on each other's nerves.  All that know him say he's such a great guy but I have my reservations based on nothing but a hunch.  I hope he is for her sake.  He'd better get used to being alone on the weekends with her career as a wedding photographer.

    I have reservations too. He really seems like such a bro' at times, but he redeemed himself with how emotional he got at the altar...maybe he's a good guy after all!

     

    20 hours ago, Yeah No said:

    But Clare not getting the Kiwi reference bugged me because it was just so obvious.  She didn't even get what the stuffed animal was at all and jumped to the conclusion that it was some kind of weirdo thing.  That didn't speak well of her.  I don't have much hope for them.

    OK, so I know what a kiwi bird is, but I would never have thought that it meant he was a "kiwi". I would have really wondered what that was about, and maybe figured it meant he was really into birds?  I know that in his note he wrote something about the bird taking a trip across the ocean, but that still wouldn't make me think it was paralleling his own journey. He should have just written something in the note that either explained it or turned it into kind of a fun mystery, but he did neither. I don't blame her for being confused, but her disdain was not cool.

    14 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

    On the aftershow, she said Brennan drank a lot less than she did at the wedding, which makes me wonder if he has a "thing" about drinking given that he chose in their introductory chat to tell her his dad drinks vodka instead of water.  We shall see. 

    I usually don't have high hopes for a couple where both like to drink, but Stephanie and AJ seemed to enjoy drinking quite a bit a they're still together.  But I generally have even lower hopes for couples whose drinking preferences don't match.

    He only mentioned that thing about his father, because  one of the very first things that wino/lush Emily asked him after they were married, was "Does your family party?" WTF kind of a first question is that? I don't think that he drinks much.

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  17. With Shi and Mira, I liked that the show was up front about getting an AirBnB for him, rather than using an AirBnB but having us think that it was his place, which is what it seems like they may have done with her/her friend's place. But what on earth were Nev and Kami thinking when they were talking about being "low-key" and "undercover" when they went to the market? They are freakin' Nev and Kami...pretty darn famous! Also, it seemed like Shiona/Mira was a bad actress...usually I think these people are real, but she def seemed fake.

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  18. Watched the latest episode of Final Moments, "The Missed Bus". Early on, there was video of the car that kidnapped the victim, and it was an unusual car. The cops found that there were 9 of the cars, and they visited all the owners. And according to what was said, all 9 owners were cleared. Later, they had reason to re-visit one of the 9, and it turns out that the alibi that cleared him was that he was at home, by himself, watching TV or something. SMH. WTAF? Since when is that an alibi that clears someone? At the very least, it should keep someone on the possible suspect list, and at the best, they should actively look into the person further.

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  19. Didn't realize the show had started up again!  Just watched Cody and Brittany. That was weird with us never seeing the catfisher, and whatever was going on at the end with those other messages. It's horrifying to realize that people are so easily misled as Cody.  He was pretty adamant and confident that he had proof of her accident, because she had sent him a generic car upside down photo. And I loved how they pointed out that her fake license had the last name and first name in the wrong places, plus the top of her head was cut off in the license pic, and how Kami correctly was asking questions to determine that Cody was the one to first mention the supposed drive-in connection. And on a totally shallow note...how could a guy who looks like he does, working at a drive-in in Wyoming, think that a girl like that would fall for him?  It's odd that they never finished pursuing who the woman was that was receiving the money in Florida.

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  20. On 10/22/2023 at 9:22 PM, Dibs said:

    They may not have seafood boils in Greensboro, but they surely have them on the coast in Wilmington, where Chase lived.  True, he wasn't a real boyfriend, either - just a paid actor - but still!

    ...but we all remember how much time she spent actually visiting her supposed fiance!!

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  21. 9 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

    Right, that's how I understood it throughout.  What I didn't understand was this bright wonderful girl Grandma described, not calling to ask about her own baby at least once a day and when  her grandmother and mother were texting a dozen times a day saying, "Please answer, we're worried about you," all they got back was a "I don't feel like talking."  That seemed plausible to them?  

    Either she was the most self-centered young woman on earth or the family was being very obtuse.

    Or some of both. As they explained, each family member thought Bethany was communicating with another family member. But the grandmother is the ONLY one who would know If Bethany checked in on her daughter, and she knows that she didn't. So even though she was worried about Bethany, especially given that Bethany's text replies were terse and avoidant, it had to have been plausible that Bethany didn't check in on her daughter for 3 weeks, because grandma's level of concern was not great enough to do anything additional. Keep in mind that Bethany was still in college, and working a job on the side, with one child who already wasn't living with her, another child on the way with a new boyfriend, and hastily living with him. I don't think thoughtful decision-maker was an apt descriptor, and I'm guessing mom and grandma were used to dealing regularly with the fall-out.

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  22. 1 hour ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

    One of the most blatant displays of hypocrisy on this episode was when Rob'em, who has been dry crying for two seasons about losing the big family, wouldn't consider a future family reunion.  SHE said it this time. For Christmas Eve, she manipulated Meri into excluding the others by stating it wouldn't be safe, but this time she outright and clearly said "no go" to being with the whole family for one dang day!!  And, of course, Father of the Year has no interest.  I can't stand either of them, but I am so glad they are losing their lying veneer and just letting that evil shine for the world to see.

    100%. I have always suspected Robyn's insincerity and Machiavellian maneuvering, but it wasn't until she shut down Meri about the Christmas get-together that I actually saw it in action. And then this one was just further confirmation. It makes me wonder if maybe more had occurred, but the editors didn't show them until lately.

    And what was great about this one, was that she shut it down this get-together because the people should air/discuss/resolve their differences first. So if she was genuinely concerned about people resolving their differences, and it wasn't simply the best excuse she could come up with to shut it down, then she would have actually encouraged the get-together, because since the people weren't willing to meet on their own, then having them come together at this get-together would provide an opportunity to start trying to heal. She really thinks the public is stupid...probably because if all you know about are the gullible fawning fans, then she would certainly think she can keep fooling them. But we're on to her!

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    On 10/23/2023 at 12:19 AM, EtheltoTillie said:

    Each week Kody inadvertently and self righteously reveals a partiality to Robyn and hurts the others. This time he said he was getting a second chance with getting his youngest kids to school. Even Robyn noted that this was wrong. 

    Don't believe that for a second. I think that Robyn is very good at that armchair-quarterback deflection thing where she appears to be throwing some shade at Kodouche in her THs. In reality, she 'needs' him to get the kids ready for school, so she can sleep! And what infuriates me, is that he talks about how he wants to do it, yet when he really was needed for it, by all the other wives with a zillion little kids, he was nowhere in sight.

    On 10/23/2023 at 9:30 AM, laurakaye said:

    And while I'm at it, Aurora is 20 but she acts like she's in middle school, if we needed any more validation that Robyn infantilizes her kids.  

    It really was stunning...she looked and seemed like a very tall 14-year old.

    On 10/23/2023 at 9:47 AM, islandgal140 said:

    Robyn being Robyn, instead of saying how important it was for the family that her kids get Meri as a 2nd mom (plyg perk), she frames it like how important it is to Meri, like she is some charity case. She sure treats her like one. 

    Yeah, I noticed that too. Unfortunately, I think that Meri is a little delusional when she says how much Robyn's kids love her and accept her unconditionally. That may have been the case when they were little and all one big family, but I think it's out-of-sight-out-of-mind at this point.

     

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