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After reading everyone’s thoughts on Owen Teddy Tom and Amelia. I’m starting to think Tom is suppose to be the new Mark. I didn’t see the similarities till now. I’ve not been a fan of Owens of quite a few seasons now and these types of moments remind me why. Him and Amelia were never a good match, from the beginning with their histories and personalities. I honestly thought Amelia had finally seen the light per say but now Leo is back they will probably go back right where it all left off. Which sucks as Amelia deserves more and anyone would. For a milestone episode, it was typically a Greys version. They did a similar thing at the 200 episode. Will say the 100 was great and 300 was too bad. It’s kinda showy but doesn’t really go anywhere. I wished it did. For me I liked Alex and his mum even with some of obvious the flaws written in, Catherine for once didn’t annoy me which was a highlight. But I will say Owen getting punched was a stand out moment that I really did enjoy. He’s always been judgemental and the men on this show are getting worse at it and inconsistent. But that’s another whole topic. Tom maybe a lot of things but none of those men, Owen included, know him. Hell we don’t even know him. But at the moment all we see is Teddy seems genuinely happy. I don’t even think she was ever shown this happy when she was with Henry. If Owen really had Teddy’s and his daughters best interests at heart, as everyone has said, he would have taken her aside and actually ask Tom to leave so he could. Teddy might even have known and explained, she knows about his son and he’s most likely different to the man everyone sees. Instead this stemmed from everything that’s happening around him and possibly thinking I can control something here as I can’t with Leo and Amelia so I’ll do so with Teddy and my unborn child.

When did Ben want to be a nurse!l? He was always a doctor he was the man who puts you asleep in a op ( sorry can’t spell it but I know what it is) but then he wanted to be surgon instead and now a firefighter. I don’t disagree he is a flake and gets bored easier as he got older but I don’t remember a nurse. Bailey dated Eli the nurse just befriend Ben.

I’m not sure if this is unpopular but the whole idea of Saint Jack is really getting to me. Sometimes I don’t know if some ‘flashbacks’ are observing or some a persons point of view. I understand he died and you do immortalise the good things about people. But come on no one ever has other take, dad was horrible when this happen, Jack was a twat when that etc. Everyone has those moments.

I really liked the ending. I know they would prob not be able to get the actors back but am really glad they didn’t and used old moments of them. As that’s how you remember people and What they looked to us when they died or before.

About Rebecca, I agree with others that it she was given the singing career as Mandy was playing her. But I wished they had kept it as a hobby. She never wanted to ge her mother and I know things change and happen that might cause that to happen. But in her teens and 20s she didn’t really have aim or drive for it. It seemed she did it so she didn’t have to do the norm. (Reminds me a bit of Kate there) so a building a career would have been perfect I would have loved it had she had a career before the kids and maybe gone back to it when they were teens. That would have been interesting to play out.

I didn’t feel it was too harsh maybe the way it was offered did seem impersonal as these two are suppose to be in somr sort of relationship. But Carina has a huge point, here example wasn’t the best though. I don’t know if it’s codderling but it’s different indulgent and doesn’t develop resilient. As someone who works in a school where children will poor attendance. This will not get better if Arizona keeps her off. I understand she’s having a hard time adjusting but in any school you can’t make friends if your not there. People won’t play with her as they don’t know her and it’s not just socially. This will affect her emotionally, in her learning and later in life. You can’t not go to work because your finding it hard. Unfortunately, your hard time won’t matter you have you try to move forward from them.

Amelia was addict to narcotics but alcohol has sent her into a sprial before. It like that little lie. You start small and it gets bigger which was why she was not drinking previously as it could trigger her back to oxy. God knows now they have removed her tumor they might say it was all because of that and she’s fine to do whatever. I didn’t however notice the bottle. You never know they might have simply forgot.

It’s akways the little things that get you. Never the big things. Those small things and moments that usually fleet by beacuse of their simplicity. Leaving shoes, some dinners and food, a film or just belongings.

From the scene it didn’t seem like they thought they would be leaving that early. Although they were ready to go except for maybe Kevin’s tie. I cant imagine loosing a partner and especially given the circumstances of it. Rebecca was pretty much out of it until her talk with Dr K. She seemed like she hadn’t a clue what was happening and the montage at the funeral service helped build that picture. It started and was over just as quickly. It kinda just lasts you without realising. She was working with that reptilian brain. Just functioning but not a help to anyone not even her children at this point. So I guess she was kinda oblivious at that point about her surroundings.

That’s just crazy! And seem pretty pointless. I mean if there’s loads of houses who knows who is beeping? Plus outside people housing. Noise pollution. Just get out the car and walk or even just pick up the thing that is attached to your hand and call/text. I actually just thought it was film/tv thing. I don’t think I’ve known or seen anyone do it in the UK.

Do people actually do that? I mean personally, I’ve never seen or done it. I mean I’ve I’m waiting or picking up someone, I either knock, call or text. I know this was set before everyone had a phone but still. I always took it as something done in American shows and films.

That was the part that really got to me. First when they started the conversation in the kitchen when Rebecca didn’t shut down Kate’s doubt because of her own grief and her ability not to comprehend what is happening. She wasn’t in the right head space to explain to her child it wasn’t her fault which in no way was it as it could have happened regardless if he hadn’t gone back in. Yet the scene by the tree where she categorically shut it down, I was like yes Rebecca but we know that Kate never fully accepted that fact. Jack was a grown man who decided to go back into the house. No one forced him back in he choose to.

From the ending, even though we know bea use of Kevin’s injury. Jack’s death is soon. It took a while after the episode to click this. When Rebecca first mentioned if they had forgot something at the mall. I thought of Randell. Don’t ask we why. Then it panned to the smoke alarm and the missing battery. They forgot the battery she had earlier asked to be reminded off. So when eventually the fire happens the smoke alarms weren’t working which could be why he didn’t get out as he didn’t have the warning. Does that mean we’re going to have scenes after his death of her blaming herself for this moment? Or others hinting towards it? you can’t blame the one who’s gone. Knowing it was the smallest preventable thing?

They may have been more spectible to addiction through family history but it wasn’t as if Kevin didn’t know. He knew when he started taking him as he didn’t want to when he started. I don’t get why Kevin was that annoyed the family started off without him. I mean he was at football camp something he would have enjoyed without them. No one else , that we know of went to camp that year. As a child what would you prefer staying in a camp at something you enjoy or being stuck with your family in the middle of the woods. I mean there wasn’t a huge amount going on there. With the therpist, she seem to pick sides rather stating neural and posing the questions. She came across brash and accusing. Kevin felt left out and believes Rebecca loved Randell more than him. Rebecca says she didn’t and loved all of them. That’s where they needed help ie the therapist should have asked why he felt like that, given an example so they could discuss it and Rebecca could explain her reasons why and begun a dialogue or conversation rather building into the resentment and now adding extra by Rebecca truthful but emotional outburst.

I think the pool episode was better at showing how Kevin felt left out than this one. You saw Jacks focus on Kate but Rebecca wasn’t focusing her attention on Randell but it came across to Kevin as she was. She mentioned his glasses as she knows he might tease him and gentle asks him not to. She reads alongside Randell not with him as neither wanted to play football at that moment. She asks him if he took his glasses as she knows her sons. She knows he might have taken it and asks him. I don’t see what’s wrong in that. But I see Kevin’s pov.

I think they all needed therapy after Jacks sudden death. But maybe with ending secondary they decided to keep going the according to the plan that was already set. We’re just speculating as the gaps haven’t been filled in yet. But I think the big three as adults still need therapy to discuss his death. As if Kate did put on the weight after his death that needs to be dealt with. With Kate there must be something more than Rebecca’s weight and singing ability. Which we’ve seen younger Kate’s insecurities about this. However, I know she mentioned Rebecca wanting her to fulfil the things she didn’t. This doesn’t seem to fit what we know. But let’s hope it answered at some point.

@Pumpkin I kinda agree with you about the Kevin and Kate. In a way it was nice to see a bit more of them and try to understand them better but as you said there wasn’t a huge amount there to play with. They both had there pluses and minus, Kevin was now at rock bottom and was gutted when he froze up at Randall’s about his problem. Hopefully they DUI will now alert the others to his issues. I did like Kate’s episode mainly for the flashbacks to understanding her worries but honestly I want to know more about her relationship with Rebecca. The teenage stuff I kind of get but her adult stuff not so much. I want to know how it fractured and the reasons behind Kate’s resentments towards Rebecca - who seems just as confused as me sometimes.

Funny thing is this Amelia didn’t seem ‘new’. She seemed like the Amelia who had just been through rehab. But that could be as she’s vulnerable . Still no mention of Addison and Charlotte so was kinda annoyed at that. But other than that. I quite enjoyed all the Amelia stages. I do wonder what’s happened in nyc with Sofia and why she wants to come back. I’m sure that change things. Carina didn’t seem glad. But Arizona looked very happy! Also did anyone else notice the moment Jo when British with Ben? That was probably the first time I ever noticed Camilla accent come out. I kinda hope she gets to go back. Maybe she was British and when she left her husband not only changed life and name but also accent.

Thinking about Amelia’s impulse with surgeries. When she was first introduced in PP which was the first ever time. She came as a fellow with an amazing nurosurgon and when she said she unable to fix it. Addison even got Dereks opinion and he’s recommendation was the same but Amelia said shr could. Do what best in the country couldn’t?

God no for a face transplant. I hope that never happens!

I worked it out to be the same. She came to PP 8years ago so she’s always had it growing. I was thinking maybe breaking up with James when she came to Greys from the beginning but I guess not. I’m not sure how I feel about her always having it. But then she always been impulsive, obsessive, filterless. No one could notice it as it’s been there for as long as they and us have known her. To them (and us) she always been like this.

Amelia and Owen both want children. And what I think Owen can’t get over is that she told him she wants then and now she doesn’t. Somehow he hasn’t realised her fear - don’t get me wrong I don’t fully expect him too but he does know about her first. Yet she can’t tell him either. This was the problem with these two and why I never really wanted to see them together. They both have so much baggage that they don’t work out together. Plus they rushed in, now Owen is known for this but Amelia avoids the big things. I got to thinking about Amelia scene with Jackson and the jaw. I actually thought she was kidding at first. Amelia had a dark sense of humour and always made inappropriate comments . But now we know it’s a tumour it made sense. I’m just wondering since when has she had it? As how she was last season has been her personality since she came to greys. Unless it started when she came as she did break up with James who was perfect for her as he balanced her out. That could have been the first rushed impulsive decision. They could have grown up together and him still not have the accent. It depends how much older she is. As my uncles family immigrated to the US over 30 years ago when he moved he was 20 and his sisters were under 10. So they developed and pick up the American accent easily but my uncle didn’t. And still today, you can often hear his native accent when he’s speaking English but his sisters don’t have it at all.

I really don’t care that it’s in its 14th season. It maybe not the same as earlier ones but if you’ve seen it from the beginning you see growth and inside jokes and things other people don’t. Teddy came back! I loved Teddy when she was there before and her return was great. She was the same. Henry was brought up it was great. I’m so glad they at least had a moment with her and Arizona. They used to talk all the time. And Arizona verbal diarrhoea at her was just typical. Megan- now can I say how much I am glad that they changed her Abigail Spencer. I don’t remember the last actress but Abigail was awesome. I’m glad they didn’t go down the PTSD route with her. She was actually a delight. Now Amelia - I guess all her behaviour make sense now especially in this episode. Even I do love Amelia and she is one of my favs I did think she was a bit short with Teddy for no reason. Teddy wasn’t saying anything wrong and it wasn’t Amelia’s place given how she was being. However, now she has a tumour, fits of rage made sense. Except I wasn’t so seen on her comment about Owen and Teddy and then for him to act on it. It just took me back to season 6 and thought are we here again! Not sure how I feel about the storyline but we will see. Caterina will knock it out if the park like she usually does. Hopefully they don’t go down the Mark Greene route. It is a cop out to deal with her issues. I actually thought when Megan brought up Owen taking her son that would also help Amelia as it not that she doesn’t want children. She wants them but is so scared that what happened to her first will happen again. Why she has never spoken to April is beyond me. Everything else was great typically greys humour with glasses, mention of George and surgery jokes . A good season opener.