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6 hours ago, lascuba said:
The hit his pride took when he found out he was fired after TLC posted in on social media would explain that lie. Anything to save face. Though he was ranting an raving about Jazz long before he was fired, so I don't know what he expected from TLC after doing that when there were already arguments over filming the births and money
Derick's versions
I will be interested to see which version of events is told in the documentary and the book. If Derick's issues with JB began with Israel's birth, they broke open with Sam's birth - completely understandable. I read somewhere that Jill and Derick were on food stamps and could not pay their medical bills. And JB withheld money via trickery and thievery.
But I also question Derick's responsibility in this? Was it not his choice to leave his job and choose to live as begging missionaries? He chose to have children knowing the state of their income and their full dependence on Daddy Duggar. Not just one child, but two. I lose track of their timeline so please correct me if I am wrong regarding his employment and their finances.
I also suspect we won't hear about any of Derick's tweet tirades or issues with TLC when he was attacking Nate's family and Jazz. I know he maintains that this had nothing to do with his exit from TLC.
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Also Amy and Deanna?
They say the left the series when they found out about Josh.
But here they are speaking out about the horrors of the IBLP (which I agree with). Did they not know about IBLP - while on the show for years and years?
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1 minute ago, floridamom said:
I wonder why JB attended a christian school, where tuition, books & fees needed to be paid, yet his parents (or Mary) chose to let the rest of the family struggle with food insecurity? That tuition could have fed the family and JB would have received a good education in public school anyway. It's not like he went on to college and is now a rocket scientist or anything. These people are strange to me.
I think the timelines are the issue. They did struggle for quite some time but when they were better off, they chose to send him to Christian school? I am just guessing. Rumor has it that JB's father was an alcoholic - so think roller coaster. Up and down and up and down. More rumors state that Mary - deeply religious - is the one that encouraged her young son JB to be that "christian warrior man" and not like her husband who had "failed." (this is according to JB). I guess he translated that to "God will provide so long as I remain faithful?" I am not sure when the IBLP got a hold of them - does anyone know?
20 minutes ago, SMama said:And yet he chose to breed irresponsibly causing food and financial instability for his family until TLC came along.
Agreed. Makes no sense at all! If he truly believed that the pill caused their miscarriage it would mean a moral failing on his part. And if he truly believed that God would provide - so long as he remained faithful - then I can see how they got wrapped up into this mess. But you would think the trauma of being food insecure himself would have overridden that! The larger question is when did his faith become solely about power?
Just now, GeeGolly said:JB is in his 50s, correct? Around here many parochial schools were free up until the late 70s. Well free, if the parents attended the affiliated church and tithed. Are we sure his parents paid for him to attend school?
Good point. Not sure.
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17 minutes ago, AstridM said:
Hard to say until we’ve had the chance to read it, isn’t it?
Which is why I used the words "I don't think" - obviously speculative lol
24 minutes ago, AstridM said:I don’t think JB suffered much growing up. Didn’t his parents send him to a private school (and not his sister?)
He did attend a Christian school and I am fairly certain Deanna confirmed that the family struggled with food and financial stability.
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7 hours ago, Dimi1 said:
I am giving all the kids a pass...from the point of...they have ALL come out of trauma! Even Derick...losing a father = trauma....what happened to the dugger kids = trauma....as someone who is dealing with the fallout from my own traumatic childhood...and then working and studying with people who have also come out of trauma..I have a lot of compassion for all the kids..... I see so many things they do as reactionary...as searching....have they made mistakes...yes...when you look into parts work, DID - (on a spectrum) , nervous system work...( and more) you can just SEE it...in all they do...most people in life look for 3 things...A place to belong, unconditional love, and purpose...All those kids were either denied all three or it was conditional...so good for Jill and Derick and any of the kids taking the first steps out of truama-by telling their story...and I think they may surprise us...
Not arguing at all but genuinely curious if the same logic applies to Jimbob who by all accounts consistently struggled with food insecurity ("financial agony"), an absent father, and a deeply religious mother who may or may not have blamed her husband's issues on "a loss of spiritual focus." I can see how the IBLP may have groomed JB from this vulnerable perspective.
I DO have trouble finding compassion for JB - though I would like to learn more about the IBLP and their roots - their recruitment efforts and their tactics.
I don't think Jill's book- or rather's Derick's book - wants to trace things back to how everything unraveled so badly. Derick just wants to win the cowboy showdown. He wants to blow off his pistol and walk into the sunset with HIS woman, spurs a'clickin.
4 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:They were not paid for their participation in the docuseries.
No, but it is the perfect PR to launch their dirt for profit book.
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My old brain is confusing dates now. Anyone care to help? When did Robyn meet Kody? Do we know the actual year?
I read somewhere that the show had started and then the air date was delayed for some reason - and that's why Meri's hair is longer in some scenes and shorter for their recreations. And that's also why Robyn's courtship was longer than their normal.
Meri just posted on instagram about her miscarriage - indicating "he" would have been 15. So that means 2008. Was that the same year that Christine miscarried?
Seems like 2008-2009 was helluva year - also wondering if that's the year Christine and Meri had their falling out.
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6 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:
Interestingly, Jed! snapped at someone on Jill's Instagram. I couldn't find TBE original comment, as it was contained in a side thread over 100 posts long. But he waz pissed! He said something to the effect of the person didn't know their family history and to back off.
He's such a Boob sycophant that he's the LAST sibling (aside from Jessa) that I expected to see in her comments.
I saw it. Jed! was battling against someone's long tirade which essentially damned his family to hell and said that Derick and Jill were guided by the Holy Spirit. Battle of the Christians I guess. IMHO -Jed AND the commenter were both perhaps misguided - LOL.
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2 hours ago, Meow Mix said:
I do have to say that I doubt this is going to give them the healing and peace they think it will. I think Derick particularly is hanging on to resentment of JB and that is causing at least some of Jill's issues.
Yes.
Jill traded one sanctimonious patriarch for another I'm afraid. By all accounts, it seems as if Jill may have a "better" life, now that she is not saddled with family burden or the IBLP ideology.
Unfortunately though, Derick's past tweet history, confirms his ongoing, seething feud against her father. His anger might very well be justified but I am wary of his involvement in HER story.
I think he should get off her cover. She should be the one looking powerfully into the camera. Instead it looks like he's saying "she's mine now."
He may have "rescued her" - but I fear the book now only represents his ideas and his narrative - shared by Jill. Not owned by Jill.
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Ugly jewelry but not surprised its another MLM. At least she isn't peddling Plexus though which I find infinitely more troublesome.
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6 hours ago, Sandy W said:
They may just be hanging together simply because they enjoy each others company. Looks like they are all having a great time.
6 hours ago, MaddyMaeboxerbabe said:Is this visit to Utah being filmed? Is that the reason Christine and Janelle are spending time together again?
It is being filmed though, there was a camera in one of the reflections that was talked about out on another site.
I'm sure they enjoy each others company but they interact mostly for filming and plexus.
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I think its funny that Christine used to travel to Flagstaff to film. And now, its Janelle always traveling to Utah to "hang out" (for filming).
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15 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:
I totally agree and I think the whole idea of polygamy is disgusting but if you’re determined to live that life as a consenting adult then I think it’s mandatory for the man to take responsibility for making sure that everyone is treated fairly and everyone’s emotional, physical needs are being met.
From what I’ve seen of Joe Darger he runs a tight ship and there’s little opportunity for bullying etc amongst the wives or children.
JMO but ideally there shouldn’t be any favourite wife or favorite children, everyone is expected to chip in for the good of the family as a whole, all wives and their children receive the same amount of time with the husband… none of the nonsense that Kody allowed and probably encouraged to boost his ego as the wives fought with each other and he sat back and watched.
From what we’ve heard apparently Meri was a bully as first wife/ legal wife and Kody allowed her to do so, he only started caring about the bullying atmosphere when his princess Robyn joined the group.
Bottom line I can’t imagine why any self respecting woman would subject herself and her future children to such an oppressive lifestyle but apparently there’s women out there who want to do it… ugh!
Just the thought of my husband hopping from one bed to the next is sickening and my children having to share their dad with 15-20-30 other kids and rarely having any one on one quality time with their dad is even more sickening.
Take that lifestyle and SHOVE IT where the sun don’t shine!!! 🖕🏻
When talking about the AUB and the "principle" which describes the "rules" for living a plural lifestyle, what we saw with the Browns is the norm. First wives do tend to battle (we saw evidence of this with Kody's mom battling against Janelle's mom and Annie leaving soon after taking a second wife). Wives compete by design to "learn selflessness." Their emotional needs can never be truly met. This set up encourages competition which encourages reproduction so that women can get more resources and leverage in the system. There are typically favorites in this arrangement. There is no promise of equality. The Brown's made that up when they decided to present a false view of polygamy to the world.
And I'd argue, that the Darger's are probably hiding quite a few skeletons themselves.
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42 minutes ago, LilyD said:
Neither obviously. I don’t see anything wrong with structure and rules.
Nothing wrong with structure and rules but I still firmly believe that the dissolution of the Brown family was not the fault of Kody alone. It was the fault of the design itself. With or without an authoritative husband, the structure seems oppressive to women.
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3 hours ago, LilyD said:
Joe made it pretty clear that he believed that you cannot run a big polygamous family without rules and structure. He’s the head of the family and assumed all responsibility. The chaotic Brown way was quite shocking to him. So yes, I can totally see him putting the blame on Kody.
Ugh which one do you want. Joe - who enforces patriarchy and his wives "running their will into his." Or Kody, who is completely chaotic, still believes that crap, but doesn't do a good job with it.
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Here's the thing. I respect their desire to not dispose of the remains as medical waste (though I understand that decision too). But burying in your yard under "a ton of rocks" seems an odd choice if indeed they were well connected with their church. Many funeral homes offer free urns or small "caskets" to parents who lose a child. Many churches have special cemeteries for miscarried babies. It seems to me that if this was done for "respect," they could have take a few extra steps to have a proper burial - even a service - without spending a dime. They were supposedly "royalty" in the AUB. But to me, it seems like they buried it and referred to it like a pet rabbit.
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21 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:
It makes me wonder (though I really don't want to be thinking about this) if they lined the grave or put the remains in some sort of water resistant urn or box instead of just putting them in a cardboard box and letting whatever happens, happen. I know that there is now a tread toward environmentally friendly burials where everything is sort of meant to decompose more naturally but honestly I can't help but think that this was less about being earth friendly and more about not going to any expense to purchase a burial plot or a marker or a coffin.
I don't know. As much as I love analyzing the antics of the Browns, I think that I'm going to try to put this one out of my head.
I just skimmed upthread so I don't know if this was mentioned but she said they "put a ton of rocks on it" because my dad said "so dogs don't rip it apart" (yes those are direct quotes from her YouTube video)
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3 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:
It's certainly possible but without insurance I think it would be pretty costly. It's not like they didn't already have a good supply of both sexes. They weren't waiting for a firstborn male to take over the dynasty.
The genetic testing is usually offered to add information about why they miscarried - especially if it was a later term miscarriage. You find out the sex as a byproduct of that test. But you are right, they did not have insurance so they likely did not do this.
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35 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said:
One wonders if there was anything legal done at all. The fetus was apparently old enough to be able to determine the sex.
Not necessarily visually though. Christine went to the hospital because of hemorrhaging. Its possible they offered her genetic testing on any retained tissue.
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30 minutes ago, BnJJ said:
Which Christine gave back to the rest of the family in her stake in CP.
I recall Meri saying she gave the money from her Vegas house to Robyn not Christine. But regardless, Christine gave them her stake in CP.
The Vegas houses were bought with pooled family money, too, so none of it is cut and dried.
Do we not think that they used pooled money to purchase the land in CP too? Was it Christine's money to "give them their stake."
It may truly be just "family money" but if that is the case why is everyone mad at Kody and Robyn for using pooled family money on her house when Christine did the same thing.
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19 minutes ago, LilyD said:
I think we’re dealing with a highly intelligent young man here. One who is capable of managing his own and can structure work or study really well to suit his own needs. I suspect he is perfectly able to look after himself, despite what Robyn thinks. I also think that his main issues are linked to social interactions and communication, which is very typical for autism. And this may definitely cause problems for him along the way.
His resume is a perfect example of how many (not all) people on the spectrum reason: You ask me a question, I’ll answer. You ask me to list facts, I’ll give it to you. What you get is (sometimes brutal) honesty and a very detailed answer with little regard for how it comes across. It’s hard for them to ‘imagine’ how the other person perceives it. In Dayton’s mind, he has merely stated the facts. He probably doesn’t recognise it as bragging because he doesn’t see it that way. (This is simply what I have done so far)
It’s just unfortunate that Robyn seems to be focussed in protecting and shielding him off, rather than teaching him what to do or what not to do. Like several others said; that resume could use some good feedback. Such things will always remain difficult for Dayton, but he is smart, he can learn some things. I’m sure he can improve a little with the right guidance.
I understand that is your perspective and you could very well be right. But spectrum is the absolute correct word. There is simply no way to tell from the outside looking in. Everyone is different. My eldest has a genius level IQ, but it has been an incredible struggle teaching him the skills of daily life. His executive function skills are not well developed, he has poor impulse control and he often experiences profound anxiety which will last for weeks. He has lived on his own in college, graduated, and he has held down a few different jobs. But it is not without tremendous support from me and his father. When he crashes - he comes back home because he literally cannot function during those periods. No one who knows him - would ever guess that his life is such a struggle. As @TurtlePower mentioned, he masks well. Just know that intelligence has nothing to do with being able to fit seamlessly into this artificially constructed world. It can be hard on the individuals and can be hard on the supporting family. I would never judge Robyn in this case. We just do not know their circumstances.
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11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:
Did Christine pay back Meri after she sold her house?
I will never understand their finances but it seems their family account was mainly used for property/houses - at least in the more recent years. So the family account paid the down payment on Christine's house and Robyn's house. Its always interesting to me that people blame Kody and Robyn for taking Meri/Janelle's money. But they don't blame Christine. She took it and ran lol. I am hopeful that they each got a fair pay out when they left but Christine got the best deal. She got the house and the proceeds from that house. Whereas Meri and Janelle got a poop pond. Hopefully Kody bought it from them.
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15 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:
I could “get by” by masking during the day and for the most part, people did not see my meltdowns. I also spent time behind closed doors cutting, hitting myself and punching things because neurotypicals expect certain behavioral standards and cannot tolerate anyone who’s different.
I put an applause emoji because you are exactly right. Though I am terribly sorry for the difficulty you've encountered and I too despise the socially constructed society we live in.
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Just chiming in...we can't really judge books by their covers. There are plenty of people on the spectrum that "appear" able to live and work independently. However, what you don't see are the periods in which they might not be able to do so. For example, flares of regression or anxiety can be intermittent but disabling for some. And of course Dayton may be receiving supports along the way that are helpful to achieve academically. However those accommodations might not translate to the work place. Or he may have deficits in the skills needed to live by himself - get to work, keep a routine, eat nutritiously, sleep regularly et cetera. Certainly there are plenty of people on the spectrum that can do all those things. But in my direct experiences, no two individuals are alike and often the abilities are strong in some areas but weak in others. Also, I'm not denying the possibility that Robyn might be stifling Dayton and impacting his life negatively. However, in my experience, you really just cannot tell what is going on there.
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9 hours ago, the-grey-lady said:
I see what you did there. And I concur.
As did Logan and Aspyn
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On 5/3/2023 at 1:37 PM, mythoughtis said:
And that’s a good thing. Their life is drama filled. Their offspring are amazingly well adjusted.
I'm not entirely sure all their offspring are amazing well adjusted. I suppose that might depend on our definition of adjustment. And of course what we all see publicly may very well not be reality. The kids know which parts of their lives to present.
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Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion
in Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets
Watching - already way too much Famy lol.