[The Process: Auditions, Training Camp and Squad]

47 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

Question do you remember if Jensen and Kelee had Dallas cowboys cheerleaders in their bio ? 

I've been out of the loop for a long while. Was Kelee on the chopping block potentially? I thought she was a favorite?

[Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)]

My bad. The zoom here is likely in poor taste. But as I was looking at Christine's boob tattoo, I noticed Janelle's undergarments showing through the sheer. I don't recall seeing that when she wore the dress previously. I'm all for people celebrating their bodies, but I'll say it again (as I did in Christine's thread), these three are a hot mess style wise. How do they have millions of followers?

 

[Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore]

Just now, Teri313 said:

From what I can see, I'm not digging that dress or the tattoo. It looks sloppy and she's too exposed and unsupported, like it needs to be pulled up a bit or something. Maybe it's just the angle. 

I think they all look fairly raggedy. Maddie is all wrinkled. Christine's dress is ill fitting. Janelle's re-wearing her dress which is fine but those hoops don't go. 

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

3 hours ago, Jeeves said:

Even if Jinger was buttoned into a contract with a few years to go, when Jeremy showed up the show would have to sign him up if he were going to appear, especially as a featured participant

So did Derick ever sign his own contract? He maintains he never had one.

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jessa and Ben were married in November 2014. Not long after the wedding but prior to Jill & Jessa: Counting On, Jessa and Ben were spotted at TLC headquarters. Speculation then was they were signing with them for the new show.

So why would Derick not do the same?

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

10 hours ago, Jeeves said:

We heard a long time ago that after their marriage, Jeremy and Jinger signed separate contracts for the show, and though I'm no fan of his, I've always respected him for that. It must have ground JB's gears to lose control, but under their doctrines, Jeremy became Jinger's headship, and when it came down to it, Jeremy didn't buckle under to JB. Heh.)

Very interesting @Jeeves. Thank you so much!

So what's the timeline on this? The 2014 contracts were for a period of FIVE years IIRC, thereby locking Jill in and mandating that she comply with the show's travel and filming requests. 

If Jinger signed at the same time, when and how was Jeremy able to negotiate differently? 

And is this what made Derick so angry? Jeremy was (allegedly) able to negotiate and Derick seemingly was not able to? 

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Derick worked at Wal-mart Jan 2014

Jill and Derick married June 2014.

Dillard Ministries established 2014 (prior to Izzy's birth)

Opportunity to go to the mission field - prior to Izzy's birth (according to their blog)

Izzy born April 6 2015 (footage aired in the fall with first episode of new Jill and Jessa: Counting on)

May 2015 quit Wal-mart and moved to Central America and Dillard Ministries starts taking donations.

Jeremy and Jinger Courtship June 2016

Sam born July 2017

Derick leaves after twitter tirade summer 2017

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

On 6/12/2023 at 1:35 PM, GeeGolly said:

I certainly am not a lawyer, but from my understanding there are no laws or rules pertaining to children appearing on a reality show. I would think this would allow TLC some leeway in writing their contracts.

I'm so confused by the contracts that were shown in SHP. My understanding was that TLC did not issue individual contracts to each Duggar because TLC signed contracts with the Duggar LLC (which is common practice). Therefore, all payment went to the LLC and the members of the LLC were contractually bound to "perform." 

So we are shown the contract from 2012 which has the Michelle signature (presumably on behalf of the Duggar children as a representative of the family LLC), but also Josh signing on behalf of himself (though I seem to recall that Anna signed for Josh). This makes me wonder if that snapshot of that contract was really the contract with the LLC - and not TLC at all. 

Then the 2014 contract which Jill did sign separately the day before her wedding... same scenario.

Does anyone have a zoomed out version? Are these contracts directly with TLC?

The wording would be so interesting.

And I still say that I have no idea why Derick, Mr. wordly accountant, did not think to even look into the contractual obligations until the time of Israel's and then Sam's birth. Instead of looking into it - he quit his stable job with health insurance - and decided to live off of "mission donations" while fathering two children. There have to be conversations that occurred that we don't know about. Did he just assume they'd be taken care of?

[Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)]

isn't plexus supposed to "cure cravings?" So why did Janelle say "I had had have some" 

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

from reddit, the producer's AMA - she expanded on the "Brainwashing" quote

 

[The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

https://people.com/jinger-duggar-vuolo-feeling-strong-enough-to-speak-out-exclusive-7508115

 

From the article: 

Vuolo says she "had heard a little bit" about Shiny Happy People from Jill, 32. And while Jinger prefers to "be able to share my story from my perspective," she is also aware that Jill "has her voice" as well.

"And I am excited to hear what she has to say, even in this documentary," she adds.

Preceded and followed by 100 references to her own book lol.

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

9 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

These days, a lot of conservative Chritians are really promoting that public schools are brainwashing kids with their woke agenda.

So even though Derick went to public school, I would not be surprised if he thinks schools are not the same that they used to be and that he doesn't want his kids to be exposed to soem things.

Yes I was thinking this too. "These are different times," he might reason. Once they get the book money, they could always send their kids to a private christian school like the one owned by Chad Gallagher LOL/

[Michelle and JimBob aka J'Chelle and Boob]

4 hours ago, SMama said:

Most likely just long enough to get a picture, then bolt to not take care of her remaining minor children.

Joy said in her video that Michelle stayed with them their first night back home with Gunner - "to help with the baby." And she was there the next day too. 

My impression is that she is actually a helpful grandmother - maybe out of guilt for not being an actual mother?

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

I think four episodes was a bit too few for this

the title says "season one" - not sure if that means there will be a "season two?" 

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

31 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

Derick is a Bitter Betty and needs to get over this.  What JB did was crappy for sure, but as I've said before, sometimes you just have to cut your losses, take it as a lesson learned to read everything thoroughly before you sign, and move on.

As for public school, I hate to break it to these two, but Heather will still have two mommies whether they hide that fact from their kids or not.

Derick is a Bitter Betty still...because it benefits him of course. His public image has really done a 180 since 2017 when he was at the bottom of the barrel. After his hate tweet storm, TLC had to release a statement that they were no longer associated. But now... he's found that being anti-JB is extremely popular. He will milk that for all its worth.

Edited my comment - deleted a paragraph that contained thoughts I have not fully worked through 

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

hey weren't married until Nov. 2015. Jinger would have been on the group contract at the time of her wedding. 

Jinger was married in Nov. 2016 - though your point is still well taken.

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Side note, is anyone following Tia on instagram. She is posting processing slides and they are powerful. I thought this one was very interesting given Jill and Jinger's alignment with both the Calvinists and and the Southern Baptists.  

Tia lists all the instagram handles for the IBLP survivors. She does not list Jill. In my opinion Jill is on a different journey at the moment even though the documentary meant to imply that she was on the same one. Yes, I know it will look different for everyone. I just found it interesting that the documentary lumped them all together.

 

 

 

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

30 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

So it was a coincidence the old contract expired right before the wedding?

And what about Derick's mom and step-dad? One would think they would have asked Derick about contracts and stuff.

Not saying JB didn't take advantage of them, but everything feels a little off.

I am sure there is more to all the stories. The contract that was dated 2012 was the one that had Michelle sign on behalf of all the children (even the ones that were adults). The one that was dated 2014 was when the adult children signed individually. 

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

10 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Somewhere in all the info that has come out this week, I heard that Jinger and Jeremy negotiated their own contract directly with TLC.  This is not shocking as Jeremy was a reasonably functioning adult who had had contracts when he joined the circus.  So all of the kids are signed up with JB's LLC except Jinger and Jill or were at that time.  

All so confusing.

Jill and Jinger were signed for five more years in 2014. Derick presumably never signed anything?

Derick was working at as an accountant at Wal-Mart in early 2015. But then he quit with the desire to become lifelong missionaries. People thought this was because he wanted to get away from the very first scandal  - but the Dillard Family Ministry was actually  founded in 2014.

In mid- 2015 after the show was renamed to "Jill and Jessa Counting On," Derick likely thought the name fame would bring in the needed donations -  and so he used that moment to quit and pursue "mission work."

Things were likely fine for Derick as they were funded by donations and also the Duggar provided house and cars in Arkansas. But... 

Then along comes Jeremy on the show in 2016 and negotiates his own contracts. The show is increasingly focusing on the Vuolo's. Dillards don't get the most positive press regarding their donations schemes.  And  Derick proceeds to realize he's totally stuck? His wife is pimped out until 2019 and Derick has zero autonomy - another baby on the way - and no idea what to do.

Does that sound right?

They are offered a lump sum with strings ... and flips out. Gets a lawyer. Goes on a tweet storm. "Parts ways"

He's at the bottom of the barrel in terms of public opinion.

Then - he rehabilitates himself by being at his wife's side during her greatest trial - the trial. He goes to law school and does his cryptic tweeting. And now he's ready to tell HER story!

[Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!]

I really think Derick is cherry picking the details he shares. I am all for them being compensated but Derick - the adult with two kids and an accounting degree - made horrible financial decisions himself too. At the time I think he really thought their fame would sustain their "lifetime missionary" work through donations. 

Derick keeps talking about "minimum wage." It was what JB had "offered." But its also what they actually received after getting a lawyer. I have to wonder why they did not get more $ if they were already working through the courts. 

[Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp]

2 hours ago, Bridget said:

Courtesy of YouTube’s algorithm, the latest video from Joy popped up in my feed. It features her heading home from the hospital. She is in the front passenger seat and Austin is driving.

She. Is. Not. Wearing. A. Seatbelt. 

(Austin has his on.)

I just can’t with that stupidity.

I watched so you don't have to. She does put it on several minutes into the video.

They go home with the baby for the first time and tell Gideon and Evy the name "Gunner James!!!" Gideon stomps his feet and pouts cause he doesn't like the name. All I could think was - Me too Giddy, Me too.

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

30 minutes ago, Zella said:

So after my hissy fit last night about why Paul and Morgan are included, they're now posting about how betrayed they feel by the documentary people at their depiction. 🤣 I think I better understand the role they served, and I suspect they're like the Joe Exotics and Sarmas of the world who are too tone deaf to realize that people aren't asking them to be on things because they like them or are supportive of them. 

 

I may possibly be giving them too much credit... but any publicly is good publicity. They are using "this moment to expose the dark side of the documentary." LOL

Edited to Add LOL so it's clear I don't support them!

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/shiny-happy-people/

Alex Harris who was in the documentary regarding the "Joshua movement"  speaks about his participation in the project. He was not sure how his words would be used in the film and was disappointed to see the "broad brushes" and "lack of context" the filmmakers used to link this together with a more general conservative Christian/political movement. Still, he thinks it did a good job at uncovering extremism (even if that extremism was intentionally linked to mainstream movements) and recommends Christians "do not look away." 

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I wonder if Jill feels at all used by the documentary. She did not speak directly about her experience with the IBLP - that was done by the other more vocal participants. She did not even really speak directly about being an IBLP survivor.  She - exactly like Derick - seems most upset by JimBob specifically and his deceit. 

At one point she even says talks about how "public school can brainwash kids" - followed by a scene cut. 

The docuseries implies that Jill has deconstructed. But I don't think she's at all on the same level as the other more vocal survivors. She has a ways to go to find her voice. And I think she and Derick both fully support the movement to put conservative Christians in high ranking offices. And they are most certainly still anti-LGBT+ policies.

So their appearance in this film is odd. It seemed like they were almost used - just to attract attention. They were the odd ducks out - 

I did find the survivors deeply personal stories very compelling - and very sad.

[Janelle Brown: Smarter Than Your Average Brown (Maybe)]

6 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

Her Z list fame won't give her enough to live like a queen after a while.

unless she's first in the "tell all book" line

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

26 minutes ago, StaceyNotStacie said:

Now knowing that JB and Michelle had them sign contracts not knowing what they were and also signing for them, it makes me wonder if Derrick went to law school just to figure out how much JB screwed them over. 

I wonder if TLC is in a big mess. They listed the kids as minors and had Michelle sign for them - but those kids were adults at the time. That seems pretty damning.

 

8 minutes ago, Zella said:

Interesting. I still don't really understand why Paul and Morgan specifically need to talk about it, especially since they have no connection to Gothard or IBLP that I'm aware of. (That's not directed at you. It's still directed at the documentary makers.) 

The show pivoted to extend from the focus on the IBLP to the larger Christian movement --- those entering into politics from the "Joshua movement" and those influencers loudly launching campaigns against transgenders for example - to reclaim christian values. 

 

 

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

Okay episode four is talking about the larger evangelical movement to move Christians into government against the culture crisis.  "they are playing the long game and looking generations ahead to further the christian agenda.... the rise of Christian influencers..."

This is interesting given Derick/Jill and even Amy's participation. I wonder if they knew this would be included.

[Shiny Happy People: Duggar Family Secrets - General Discussion]

22 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I'm only one episode in but it feels like this series can't decide what it wants to be about, IBLP or the Duggars and thir assorted scandals. They're connected of course, but the storytelling feels disjointed

This disjointed storytelling continues throughout. It's bouncing around. Jill has not said anything we did not know before.... yet. I am in the middle of episode 3. I don't like Derick but I do like him in this - he's being respectfully quiet enough for me. 

The series actually talks about the "resolving conflicts privately" as the mantra of the IBLP - which is hilarious because that is exactly what Duggar's family statement says. Makes me wonder if Duggar even watched this.