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5 hours ago, Brn2bwild said:
Are there really that many kids who would talk that way to their grandparents' faces? I don't believe that. Behind their backs, maybe, but to their faces? I think they only had Harris talk that way to Roseanne directly because it was a quicker way to make a point.
I agree that the original Roseanne changed at some point in Season Six or Season Five compared to how she was in Seasons One through Four or Five... at some point, her character became really bitter and she began shouting all her lines. I remember I stopped watching midway through Season Six partly because I felt like I no longer recognized her character. She was really mean to Dan and Jackie, so much that I'm surprised they didn't stage some sort of intervention.
The reason I say season 5.5 is because the first few eps were kind of a link to season 4 with Becky leaving and the bike shop closing and losing the electricity etc. She has that long hair style and looks like she had some plastic surgery around the time the Diner story line which was roughly mid season. As awesome as the Fisher beating up Jackie story line, you can see Roseanne's really nasty side start to emerge. Yes she was right to be mad at Fisher and etc, but that scene in his apartment when she's talking to really makes me cringe sometimes. The "I own a loose meat sandwhich shop, I know what to do with the body" was delivered in kind of a different tone than the original Roseanne Conner. I think the original would have said it a bit more straight. Not in the crazy vengeful tone of "mean Roseanne", which again, was probably justified but I don't want to start an argument on that lol.
4 hours ago, bamlouie said:Roseanne’s character definitely went through phases. I could go with her aging into being a more grouchy, disillusioned grandma (especially if the diner closed down, she feels jobs are sparse, and has a bum knee with little/no medical insurance), if only Roseanne herself could sell it better! All of them still seem to be finding their characters again, but both Roseanne and Lecy are the most rusty to me. There are times when Roseanne nails the line, but most of the time her slower delivery almost feels like she’s trying to remember the next thing she’s supposed to say. Lecy though seems like she’s acting in a different sitcom, punctuating her jokes too broadly rather than with more nuance.
And I’m still waiting though for the show to settle into a more natural groove and pace.
- They haven’t really connected this revival much to the original run or to the rest of the characters or the town of Landford yet as much as I’d hoped, and I really think they need to start doing this soon; a lot of what happened in this episode felt really isolated to me - I get that Dan and Roseanne are empty nesters now so their lives may not be as busy as before, but everything - the plot and the dialogue - revolved around Harris, and we still haven’t learned much about what else is going on with the family or in Landford. Some passing references to the Lunchbox, David, Mark, life in Lanford etc. are things longtime fans want to know, and would also help re-build the show’s world so it feels more layered again.
- Harris’ bad attitude seemed more in line with teenage Becky than Darlene to me. Darlene always had the smart mouth but Becky was the rebellious one who had to have her bedroom door removed, defied her parents about seeing Mark, ran away to Jackie’s etc. Felt like a missed opportunity to not reference this in some way - plus it could have given Lecy more to do and made her appearance in the episode more meaningful.
- The exterior location shots that transition between scenes are also throwing me off. I get the need to refresh, but I don’t like that they’re not photographed in the same style as the old ones, that the house appears different, or that they’re not using a fade in the transitions. It’s throwing off the episode pacing and the tone for me when they just jump cut from the exteriors immediately to the next scene.
I totally agree about the transitions. I mentioned it in the thread for the pilot. I think that's part of the problem of it not being "connected" to the original/Lanford. They need to put in the effort of going around and taking pictures of the street signs and the birdhouse on the porch etc like they did in the original. And that stupid "Roseanne is filmed before a live studio audience". What's that about? Totally destroys the verisimilitude of the show and just makes you think it's some Hollywood production.
I knew a lot of the laugh track in the original was canned (partially due to Natalie West's laughter) but I didn't care.
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1 hour ago, Blissfool said:
It's as if they are so conscious of the fact that they are acting out these characters again. They are acting like Roseanne is supposed to act, like Dan is supposed to act. They are not BECOMING the character. The most serious offenders are Roseanne, John Goodman, and Sarah Gilbert. Laurie Metcalf is still on point.
I actually find Sara to be the best so far. Her voice obviously has changed a lot but she still has witty repartee that reminds me of the original Darlene. I think she actually gets the best lines, possibly because she is exec producer...
Roseanne Bar seems to think Roseanne Conner was just a grumpy, mean woman like she was in season 5.5+. The original Roseanne Conner was a light hearted but a brutally sardonic and insightful wit. It's totally a cliche now, but the first few seasons really did "hit a nerve" and showed people on tv who looked like the people who were watching it. It's crazy the parallels between the show and my family. The real Roseanne Conner was always laughing and shooting off one liners and my fave parts are when she giggles through her lines. I really wish this is how Roseanne approached the character now. I mean, the original was based on her real kids and family. She is now a mother of adult children with grandkids. She should channel some of her real life into the show like she did with the original.
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2 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:
To me, everyone's acting is off, with the exception of Laurie Metcalf (Jackie). It's as if they all forgot how to do it. The most glaring to me is John Goodman. I'm a little put off by his new voice (surgery of some kind?), but they all seem like they're delivering lines, not acting. ymmv
The problem with John is he thinks every line has to be delivered in a funny voice. Maybe he forgot this isn't how Dan talks, or he thinks he has to spice up weak material.
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4 hours ago, ChicksDigScars said:
I is for It Was 20 Years Ago Today, in which Dan steals Roseanne's wedding ring and has it re-styled for their 20th Anniversary...and then has to work at the Big and Tall Shop on that night.
Best part of the episode: the closing credits with John Goodman posing in a sexy boudior photo shoot ("taken by" photographer Bill Maher).
Haha, hate to disagree but the best part of that ep is when Roseanne is looking down the drain and she says she can see the ring.
Jackie looks at Dan and he's shaking his head and shrugs his shoulders lol.
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7 hours ago, chocolatine said:
Those parts were great, but it was the absurd stuff like hanging out with eccentric rich people in NYC and the terrorists on the train that lost me. The worst was the "Prince of Moldavia" because I'm actually from Moldavia (now Moldova) and I couldn't get over what a load of crap that whole story was, starting with the fact there hasn't been a prince of Moldavia since 1862.
I wouldn't have minded the lotto win and "it was all a book" ending if the season had still been about the Conners but with money, but Roseanne turned it into a completely different show.
I'm not from Moldova but I can't stand Jim Varney. Imagine how I feel!
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Fell into a bridge piling.
Another Season 1 Q...
What was the name of the song that won the "Radio Days" contest? -
Z is for Phyllis Zimmer
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17 minutes ago, lovesnark said:
Was it Lou?
What was Ziggy's real name?
Pete
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52 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:
Kevin.
What did he think D.J.'s name was?
Steej.
Here's a hard one. What was the name of the maintenance worker at Wellman's?
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Frankenberry.
What play was DJ in when he didn't want to kiss Gina?
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The problem with the upstairs is both the hallway and the bathroom are between the bedrooms at the same time.
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4 hours ago, CelticBlackCat said:
If you sell on Etsy, much like eBay, your merchandise has to be in the best condition possible. Apparently Harris was stealing her merch from thrift stores, so they were pre-owned. The sellers live and die by the ratings they get from the buyers. If a seller gets reviews saying they received dirty clothes, then her business would be compromised. HTH
Pretty sure thrift store was a lie Harris made up.
The stuff was being stolen from expensive stores and thus had security tags.
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5 hours ago, Oosala said:
"Your Dad, Ed." As opposed to what? Your other 5 Dads? Who would say that?
I'll hold off on commenting in this thread because I can't seem to do it civilly.
A person would say "Grandpa Conner" and not "your Dad".
Jackie would say "since you lost Mark" but in the pilot she says "since your husband died".
The way they refer to characters from the original with pronouns instead of nouns is very phoney and awkward. That's why people take umbridge. Not because they are looking for references to the original.
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2 minutes ago, Runningwild said:
I also need to stop reading this forum. I was spanked as a child. Once with a belt, once with a hanger, usually a hand. It wasn’t abuse, it was discipline. Something Harris obviously needs more of.
What Roseanne did is akin to waterboarding lol.
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40 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
I'll be interested to see if they do any episodes that really focus on DJ. So far the show seems more interested in focusing on Darlene and her kids. I think the reason is twofold - Sara Gilbert is probably the strongest actor on the show after John Goodman and Laurie Metcalf, and Darlene was always one of the strongest characters in terms of story material. We haven't really had a chance to gauge how well Michael Fishman can act. He was 15 when the show originally ended; he did OK but wasn't anywhere near the level of Sara Gilbert or Sara Chalke in terms of acting. It appears that he has since studied acting to some degree and still works behind the scenes. But I think if we don't get any DJ-centric episodes it might speak to how little confidence the show has in his ability to carry an episode.
I think it's really because she is exec producer and responsible for there being a revival.
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43 minutes ago, Sherilea43 said:
There was an episode in the Lunch Box years that Darlene and the second Becky were fighting and Roseanne says something like..we have a happy family and you two little bitches aren't going to ruin it! Something like that. So she could get aggressive with her words. Lol.
Darlene and Roseanne lit the torch for bitchfest 94.
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7 hours ago, bybrandy said:
I don't think initial names are juvenile and know initial people who go by initials as adults. I think it would be stranger for the show to be calling him a different name now and while I don't watch Fuller House, I don't presume that DJ is Donna Jo now, either.
Donna Jo is a terrible name tho lol.
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My takeway from this ep...
Seems to be continuing a downward slide from the first episode in quality. I still liked the ep though.
-Where's DJ? So far he's appeared once in 3 episodes and had 2 lines.
-Roseanne's job is confirmed to be Uber. I guess they didn't want to make her workplace apart of the show like the original. We still don't know what Dan does.
-Roseanne uses corporal punishment on Harris. Don't remember her doing this in the original except the DJ spanking ep. Seems really out of character. She used to punish by grounding, taking away allowance, or embarassing the kids. Her getting in the shower at the end seems way more in character.
-Ed Conner references lacking. Why do they insist on using pronouns instead of the character's names? In this first ep Jackie says to Becky "since your husband died". In this ep both Dan and Darlene just refer to Ed as "dad" or "your dad"? If this was the original series, Dan would have said "when I was a boy, old Ed Conner told me..." during that story. I don't know if they are afraid people won't get the reference or if they have to pay the people who created the characters or what but it's getting annoying. Makes me think there will be no reference to Crystal being married to Dan's dad in her episode.
-A lack of connection to the original show. Yet another episode where we don't find out what happened to the Lunchbox or David or Mark or other storylines from the original.
-The design of the kitchen is really starting to annoy me, specifically the cabinets. The original kitchen looked like a kitchen you would find in a house of the era. The new kitchen looks like a kitchen built for a camera. What I mean by that is often items are made larger so they appear of correct size on camera, but it looks like they didn't get it quite right.
The counter top looks too high, the upper cupboards are too high (Sara Gilbert could practically walk under them) and the right side one is disproportionately large, and the vent panel under the sink is all wrong too.
-Funniest line was "Thrift Store? They don't put security tags on items that cost less than a security tag!
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6 hours ago, Bastet said:
But if tonight's episode showed a stand-alone bathroom upstairs, then it supports the upstairs hallway bathroom scenario.
I think it supports a "the script called for a bathroom to show how messy Harris was and that would allow 2 people to shower at once" scenario.
The original bathroom had a single stall style shower and wouldn't have work for the joke.
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7 hours ago, Bastet said:
There's a bathroom downstairs accessible both via that little "hallway" off the living room/kitchen and the master bedroom, and a bathroom upstairs attached to Becky and Darlene's old room. Those are the bathrooms we saw the inside of the first time around.
There is also the bathroom Jackie was in, that we did not see, connected to D.J.'s room when Darlene walked in on her (thinking it was D.J.) during the Fisher's abuse two-parter. Via reference, there is also a hall bathroom referred to in the episode about D.J. masturbating.
Those last two one-off bathrooms seem concocted for their specific story lines - we don't really know what's actually upstairs; tonight's episode seems to make canon the upstairs hall bathroom scenario, but I only got a quick glimpse as I was feeding the cats at the time and glanced up.
(A Jack and Jill set-up wouldn't make sense, given what we saw of the girls' bathroom, as the two upstairs bedrooms are on opposite sides of the hall.)
It's a mistake in the production design, blame Garvin Eddy.
There are two bathrooms.
The one downstairs off the hallway IS the "hall bathroom" Darlene references in the masturbation ep.
Upstairs is a Jack and Jill bathroom between the two bedrooms. In the Fisher episode everyone is referencing, Darlene says "I locked my door, but the little freak must have got in through the bathroom" at the beginning during the bath bead incident. This whole scene is just to premise the fact that the bedrooms are connected through the bathroom for the later scene when Darlene walks in on Jackie.
Keep in mind this is just a tv show and it's not a real house. Yes, upstairs doesn't really make perfect sense. In the first 2 seasons, DJs room is backwards with the entrance the left side and the bathroom on the right. Same with the garage in the first season. The entrance was on the left. Also the basement stairs were originally through a door in the kitchen. Later they were in the service porch.
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R is for Roxanne Conway
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3 minutes ago, Bastet said:
I don't think so. Kids called by juvenile-sounding variations on their name often switch when they become adults (e.g. a Robert called Bobby switching to Bob or Robert), but going by initials doesn't sound inherently child-like. He got called David Jacob only a handful of times, David just once, and while those are only the instances we heard, I think they're probably representative of his life -- he was called D.J. over 95% of the time, so that's probably how he thinks of himself. Especially among the family (because even some of those Bobs are still Bobby when they're with their parents/siblings), and especially in this family, where everyone hearing "David" will automatically think David Healy, not David Jacob Conner.
Just finding it hard to believe he'd be "DJ" in the military. I guess they'd probably just call him Conner.
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Is it weird that he's grown and they still call him DJ? Maybe he would have picked something like Dave or Jake?
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P is for Package
Something every mother wants to see on their daughter's boyfriend...
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Roseanne Trivia Game
in Roseanne [V]
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It's pronounced Jacques? Lol. It was Janice or Janet I think though.
What colour was Meg's Cadillac?