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I'm starting to see that even though we all seem to agree the Duggars are far from normal by "real world" standards, we don't seem to agree on what those normal and real world standards are believing that we and our friends/family/communities/beliefs are the purveyors of such knowledge while all others are clueless.

We sure will! I'm in my 50s and from time to time get hit on by guys in their 20s when I'm wearing what I think is a pretty unsexy outfit from Target, and glasses, and no make up. I consider all the Duggar girls to look and dress sexy by my standards anyway. Like I said, it's hard to dress in a way that no man would consider sexy.

I see this pretty often—a woman dressed in a sexy outfit accompanied by her/a man and I wonder why the man doesn’t tell her she looks sexy and I’ve determined it’s because neither realize it or the guy is showing her off. Lots of young women don’t seem to know they look f#&able at all. Personally, I had no idea until I was quite old and cringe at some of the outfits I’d naively thought were OK to wear out to the grocery store and wonder why the men in my life didn’t educate me. There’s not much available in stores today for women to wear that isn’t sexy imo.

Maybe Austin has a clone.

He did say he had to "pick his fights" if I remember correctly but still, considering their TLC paycheck, you'd think they could afford some new stick horses but then again, the Duggars don't have much to offer in terms of substantial entertainment so I guess that was one of the most interesting things they did for that ep.

What was most disturbing to me was how they all seemed to think having smelly was funny. Having feet that smell that bad doesn’t just happen. It takes effort (or lack thereof). I’m amazed anyone OKs scenes like this to air—unless whomever makes the final decision dislikes them as much as I/we do.

I’m also a germaphobe but I didn’t see a problem with the stick horses. Of course I would either spray them with disinfectant and wipe them down or soak and/or rinse them in the tub with soap and let them air dry. Admittedly, I was half watching/half listening so I’m not sure if they’d be ruined plus I wasn’t there to get a good look at them and I do live in Arizona where stuff drys fast and thoroughly.

The best part of the episode was when I finally got three stars on Level 22 of the bubble shooter game I was playing while I watched (mostly) listened to this nothing burger of an episode. Kendra seems to have the nervous giggle under control, Jill didn't share her fears of living in DA, and Joy was somewhat decisive--all plusses. Jessa's inability to stop making Captain Obvious statements as well as giving parenting and child rearing advice (see: MEEEchelle/the apple doesn't fall far) and Jana expressing sorrow about losing another sibling can be added to the CO drinking game as negatives.

TBH, I’m a fan of aborting...the entire misogynistic, hypocritical show. I suppose it’s time I stop watching. I’m turning into the token substance abuser of the show, Penny—rolling my eyes after every other scene and trying to put up with their idiocrasy.

She’s never stated it but she had her child Baptized so that would indicated she’s trying to live a Catholic lifestyle even though she wasn’t married by a Catholic priest—which is another moral sin since the marriage would not be recognized by the church making any children illegitimate in the eyes of the church.

I think the whole Shamy relationship teaches women to “stand by your man” no matter how narcissistic and misogynistic he is. Strict? Let’s not forget Bernadette engaged in coitus for years before she married plus many other “mortal” sins including using birth control and never attending Mass except for during the Baptism where non-Catholics were Godparents. IMO, they make a mockery of the faith.

The scene where Eric shoots Don with the dart and Don goes from saying "Why did you do that?" to passing out within seconds reminded me of the scene where he went from being a crybaby about the brain freeze to saying "It's gone" within a few seconds. But my real question was when Don said "Don't get weird" at the end. That's Walsh's line and no one's ever said that on the show except Walsh until now. So does that mean that Eric possessing Don is somehow really Walsh? Eric=Walsh? Just a theory. And of course Ozzie is no more dead than Kurt was, right? I am so sad this show is over! I'm re-watching since I only got into it a few weeks ago. I'm picking up so much that I missed by re-watching from the beginning.

Same diff.

Is Joy raising her arm in triumph? Pride? Relief? Joy? This pose and the fact that all the Duggar brides say they "can't believe" they're getting married over and over and over again is another indication of their brainwashing. Or maybe Joy's just displaying typical 19-year-old behavior in this pic? Either way, it seems a really weird pose to strike once you're pronounced man and wife imo and I should know because that was pretty much what I felt when I was married off young by religious crazies who did nothing more than tell me to find a man, get married, make grandbabies but for God's sake, don't have sex before you're married or you'll burn in hell--which could be another reason Joy's feeling triumphant (over Satan).

FTR there are ways to watch without being counted in the ratings--which is what I do when I watch.

New Counting On one-off drinking game for this episode only I'll re-title an "AA Game/Alcohol Dependency Treatment Game". Just 2 rules: Stay sober 1 day every time Joy is indecisive or apathetic. Stay sober 1 day every time you feel pity for a child on the show. That has to at least be good for a one month chip. ?

Bin said he had never spent time alone with his children. Never? Two lost girls completely distraught during a paid, public performance staged at a dress shop at the thought of losing another sister-mother and Jana looking heartbroken too. So sad. And MEchelle just sitting there probably dreaming of more grandbabies. Plus Joy is only moving a short distance away. They're so dysfunctional they can't even see it. The fact they OK scenes like this to air proves it. And amidst the crying, Jinger advises Joy, "marriage is the best"--a testament to life in the TTH. I mostly listened to this nothing burger of a show while folding laundry. The scene with Jill and Derek celebrating Israel's birthday looked 100% normal--which is actually odd for a CO ep.

My hair is half way down my back, thick, and wavy. I sleep with it completely down and usually just have to run my fingers through it, do a little flat ironing or put a bit of defrizzer in and it's good to go--much easier for me than shorter hair. No tangles at all but that's probably due to it being so thick plus tbh, I don't move around much when I sleep. I agree though these Duggar girls and Kendra sure do seem to spend a lot of time and money on hair and makeup for such Godly women worried about tempting men...and that Ben usually looks high af.

My grandparents eloped mid-May 1935 and my aunt was born full-term in early December of the same year. But... My other aunt (same side, same mother) literally got pregnant on her wedding night and had my cousin exactly 9 months later. She told me she was a virgin and assumed since one of her sisters couldn't conceive and had been having fertility problems for 5 years, she probably wouldn't get pregnant. After she got back from her honeymoon, she went to the doctor and said she wanted to try The Pill. It was only then that she found out she was already pregnant. Again, ignorance and weird religious sex rules in action. To finish off the story, that cousin currently has 5 kids with 3 different women and maintained his fundie religious beliefs all the way through indoctrinating all his children including one still-in-the-closet lesbian. Such a mess. Generation after generation. Of course no one blames Kendra or any children but the sad fact is that they go on to reproduce and multiply at a rate faster than others. I've always wondered when it's OK to blame someone--at what age? at what point in time? They're all so sheltered and brainwashed.

In a word, they are simply classic, textbook narcissists and inflict narcissistic abuse on their victims (including their own children) and who won't get help because, like all narcissists, they think they're perfect and all problems lie in others' behaviors and not their own.

Thanks for reposting. I don't see it so much as a cult of purity as I do a fetish for virgins though. What's so pure about the Duggar girls and more importantly, makes people think they know what pure looks like? In some religions, it's taboo for a woman to show her hair to anyone other than their family. And then there's all the makeup Duggars don't seem to mind at all. Also lots of men consider skirts much sexier than pants.

It's like being born to out-of-the-closet swingers. Your parents are into a sexual practice that spills over into their lifestyle/social groups and you either adopt it or reject it...except for the fact that most swingers don't keep their children from outside contact until it's all but too late nor do they encourage their children to adopt their lifestyles based on ill-conceived religious beliefs. It's no different from any sexual fetishes people have (and we all have them) other than most people don't express their sexual fetishes outside the bedroom or discuss them only with very close friends. Not that it's wrong to talk about your sexual fetishes. They're healthy and normal. What they're doing is not considered normal by most nor does it seem like a logical thing to do. Like I said, the quiverfull "philosophy" seems nothing more than a misogynistic sex cult.

Innocent children aside, I honestly don't like any of them. Ben and Jessa seem phoney and I'm not buying that they're great parents just because TLC edits together a few minutes of fun times. Lots of people, my own family included, are abusive in private but when there is company or a camera around, it's a whole different story. Once the crew is gone, I'm sure Ben's not playing with Spurg more than a few minutes and their reaction to his screaming is much different than what we're led to believe it is. Derick putting his entire family's health in danger (America) for no good, vital, pressing, life-or-death reason is, imo, a sign of mental illness/brainwashing. Joy is obviously (and temporarily) still a child imo and too young to enter into a lifelong commitment and Austin, Jeremy, and Jinger are nothing more than average horny kidults happy to cash their TLC checks and be adored by their fans. There's not one ounce of humility in the entire sanctimonious bunch and I await the day one of them flips off the family publicly and leaves for good (like I did to my fundie family) and/or they keep exposing that they're nothing but money-hungry, sex-obsessed phonies to the world. Because they're humans and there is good in everyone, I hope for them to all change their ways but in lieu of that, the best thing for all concerned is for them and all people like them to continue to expose their hypocrisy to the world so this kind of abuse ends while we hope one of the 19 breaks free and the rest follow before more damage is done to innocent children.

All these utterly ridiculous rules to prevent premarital kissing and pre-engagement hand holding in addition to having a child chaperone with them at all times? The Duggars are a misogynistic, sex cult.