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19 hours ago, Camille said:
No, that would be Luka and Abby, the first go-round. Even seeing her wake up in his bed couldn't convince me they were sleeping together, because they were so completely devoid of any emotion or intimacy.
Although I hated Mark by the time he and Elizabeth hooked up, I thought they were actually reasonably sweet together until Season 7 when the writers decided to throw every possible tragedy at them. And even then they were actually still loving together. It wasn't until Season 8 that they couldn't stand each other.
Season 7 was just a big ball of suck. I only watched to season 11 but season 7 was the worst season to me. Between Mark’s tumor, Benton’s nephew, Kovac killing someone, the black hole that was Luby....just bad.
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Kovac actually joked with Carter after Africa and the Abby debacle. Imagine the scenes we could have had if they never created that awful triangle?
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The one thing Phillipe did (and to an extent Liselotte since that is actually the main reason she went to Phillipe) was save Chevalier’s ass. Without Phillipe getting his release Chevy wouldn’t have succeeded at being a hero. Even at the the end the reason Delphine escaped was because of Phillipe’s intervention.
Phillipe helping to release Delphine I guess was supposed to be enough for Chevalier going back to Phillipe no questions asked. As I said they deserved a better ending and a last season where they actually had more than 5 minutes together.
I know in the finale they had Louis say that he and Phillipe needed each other but honestly I didn’t see it. Louis presented himself as needing no one and the only one he listened to was Maintenon (not surprising since she fed his ego). And in all 3 seasons Louis treated Phillipe like shit so i can’t help but think Phillipe would have been better off without him.
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I think the writers were caught with their pants down. I think the news of no season 4 made them wrap things up late in filming.
I like Phillipe, Chevalier and Liselotte but their last scene made me cringe. It was way too cheesy for me.
I also don’t understand when Versailles became home for them. Especially since we have seen St. Cloud is home to Phillipe and I would think home for Liselotte would be wherever her forgotten son is. Phillipe viewing Versailles as home just because he killed someone for his brother doesn’t work for me.
And speaking of things not mattering - the show ended with Delphine who? The ending just proved to me that she was there to give Chevalier something to do while Phillipe was playing investigator. Waste of time.
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The peasants really were pointless. Phillipe didn’t even get to react to Guillome being killed.
I think this show could have gone another year because some things were wrapped up in a nice bow that really shouldn’t have been.
Fabien deserved better than a final shot sitting in prison.
Phillipe and Chevalier deserved better than an out of no where reunion. Their last scene should have been them agreeing to try again. Not Phillipe wanting to hear ILY from the guy he dumped and gave no thought to until he had nothing else going on. WTF changed his mind?
The Louis and Phillipe relationship deserved better than the two being on fine terms after murdering their father and Louis being at his most tyrannical self. Phillipe always called out Louis so how did he not go all I told you so after killing Louis’ would be assassin? Their last scene in s2, ep. 10 was so much better.
Poor Colbert. He was the only advisor worth a damn.
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I agree. Maintenon is just not compelling and that is probably more true to the real Maintenon then her being Clare Underwood.
I also think how they handled the kids of Louis and Phillipe was poorly done. We saw the king’s heir twice out of 3 seasons and there really was zero point to introducing Phillipe’s kids at all. I guess there was a point to Mary Louise but honestly season 4 could have focused on these characters and their relationships with their fathers. Instead it was blink and you miss them.
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It seems like the iron mask story was done mostly to have a mystery since there were ones in the other seasons. The problem was the ones in the previous seasons were just more interesting and actually involved Versailles and people in Versailles. The iron mask story was just too isolated.
Also the biggest issue is that it isolated Phillipe and kept him from characters you wanted to see him with. He’s married to Palatine and how many scenes did they have? Phillipe comes back a relative stranger and no meaningful scenes about it with her?
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I also wonder if the writers were writing this season with a 4th in mind and were told while filming they weren’t coming back and had to change things last minute.
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The writing on Versailles reminds me of the writing in American soaps. The writers put the characters where they want when they want them. Most of the time there is no build up and you can watch an episode feeling like you missed some episodes. I felt like that while watching Versailles this season. Especially with Phillipe and his breakup with Chevalier. They never gave us a why. It’s up to the viewer to make some kind of sense out of it - and that is just poor writing and storytelling.
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Everything on the show was underwritten. They should have had the show go at least 5 seasons. They squeezed too much in 30 episodes and what we have is very shallow storytelling and characters acting in ways that make no sense to you.
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Can anyone make heads or tails of a Phillipe? He couldn’t care less for his daughter but is completely kind to a man he just met. They were nice scenes but...
Regarding the Chevalier and Delphine, I just can’t with the Chevalier being legitimately attracted to a woman. Not the guy I have watched the past 2 years.
Its also the most explicit sex scene he had and all it took was putting him with a female. Does that bug anyone else?
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Oh I know about the legend, I just don’t like that the writers went with it.
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Williams and Runyan are the only actors in the US which is why we’re only seeing them. The other main actors live in Britain.
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Yes at most Louis was a bastard. I’m fine with fiction but the writers making one of the most famous rulers in Europe a bastard is a little too much for me.
Honestly though if you are going to do it than make Louis the iron mask guy’s son and Phillipe the son of Louis XIII. That would make for interesting drama.
I was annoyed by the scenes of Chevy with Palatine and Marie-Louise. It’s like they were trying to put him in Phillipe’s place and I’m sorry I don’t buy Chevy giving a damn about his daughters. I was also annoyed that they had Phillipe send his daughter away never to be seen again without a backwards glance.
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The only thing I enjoyed about the last Inside Versailles was hearing Evan Williams thoughts on Chevalier and Delphine. I’ve wanted to hear his take since the whole thing began.
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I wonder the thought process of the writers to portray Phillipe as a completely disinterested father. It’s like when they remembered the real Phillipe actually had children they could only play it for laughs. I get the idea that someone else raises royal children but not knowing what they look like is too much. I also read that when it came to his children the real Marie Louise was known to be Phillipe’s favorite. This is a long winded way of saying the writers really missed the boat here. We’ve spent the last season watching Phillipe in a story that really is just not necessary and having him be completely indifferent to characters he has any kind of connection with.
Regarding the slap, I can’t completely hate on Phillipe here since she did have a knife to a man’s throat. Also this is a man who raped his first wife so if I can ignore that and still be a fan of Phillipe...
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I had a similar thought that by making Louis so awful you won’t miss the show.
Maintenon makes Montespan look like a Girl Scout. I just need someone to explain to me why Bontemps was against her influence and nothing is said about Maintenon’s. Montespan didn’t feed into Louis’s god complex and sure didn’t tell him to persecute his people in the name of God.
The queen deserved so much better. The real queen died from some kind of infection in her arm. What happened on the show was done to just beat the fans over the head with Louis believing he was chosen by God.
I liked the scene with Phillipe and Chevalier but I’m not here to see them talking about Chevy being in love with a character he’s known for 5 minutes. All I’ve seen is a character eyeing a potential way of keeping his place in Versailles and getting his hands on some money since he lost his place with Phillipe. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t care about her but I don’t see love - on either part.
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I also think Maintenon is boring and listening to someone go on and on about religion makes me tune out - especially with a character that’s a hypocrite (she’s all about God but uses Palatine’s son to punish her?) but the biggest problem is the actors don’t have that kind of chemistry. I just don’t buy into their love story and as I said she just seems like a mother figure for him.
Who knows that might be why the real Louis fell for her.
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This show is completely not fun to watch. It’s just so dark this year. It doesn’t help that Phillipe is cut off from everything and you don’t really get to see his humor. That is one of the best things about the character. Chevalier and Palatine being BFFs is great but something is missing without Phillipe.
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Louis is full on tyrant this season. He had his unlikeable moments in previous seasons but there is nothing rootable about him this year.
I think the only reasons Guillome is around is Phillipe wanted him rewarded for saving his life and it gives a reason for the king to interact with the peasants.
I would have rather not seen Sophie come back at all than be used the way she is. I just can’t with the bug in the Queen’s ear.
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Williams is definitely a charming guy. Him describing his painting was hysterical.
Regarding the episode, I think the writers jipped Palatine by not having her either confront Louis or talking to Phillipe by bringing up Louis massacring her people and that the only thing she had was her son. I think this show is trying to do too much in a too limited time frame. I would rather watch scenes of Phillipe with Palatine and Chevalier than conducting the man in the mask story. If there was another season it would be fine but as a last season this just isn’t doing it for me.
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I find Maintenon to be a very boring character. Montespan became unlikeable last season but she was a fun character to watch. I think the show loses something with her gone.
The relationship between Louis and Maintenon is the least interesting thing about the show IMO. I just find her to be a more maternal figure for Louis than actual partner.
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I think Phillipe is going through PTSD from war. Just like in season 1. In season 1 he was violent towards the Chevalier but this time he just pushes him away.
I think the shoemaker is Phillipe’s brother in arms. He did save his life and on reading about PTSD, those suffering from it are usually most comfortable with those that had the same experience. It makes sense to me. Phillipe seems completely lost in Versailles while he looked genuinely happy to see the shoemaker.
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On 9/17/2018 at 11:03 PM, Growsonwalls said:
I just saw the double-whammy of "Be Still My Heart" and "All In the Family." Wow it still packs a punch. If anything it's even more heartwrenching watching it now when I'm older. What a great episode, and such great acting by everybody. In particular, I loved how the most unflappable, unlikable characters in the ER all lost their cool:
- Anspaugh scrubbing in furiously while heaving. In the past we saw the surgeons' mechanical, methodical scrub-ins. There was none of that there.
- Kerry Weaver, face white as a sheet, going outside and throwing up. Then later, her being so shaken she couldn't even be in the same room as Paul. Laura Innes acted the shit out of this episode.
- Peter barreling down the hallways, and screaming at the top of his lungs in the OR as Carter lost more and more blood, and trying to operate on Carter while having to hyperventilate into his mask, and then being unable to operate on another patient because he couldn't leave Carter in the OR.
- the residents Chen and Malucci (who had spent the day bickering over a patient and acting immature) screaming about the severity of the stab wounds. And later Luka/Abby/Chen/Malucci being too shook to even go home and just sitting at Doc Magoo's unable to do anything.
- Romano and Corday, the two master surgeons, reduced to sitting in the hallway, both unable to stand. And then later both of them unwilling to call Lucy's death. When Romano threw the operating materials to the ground and started crying and Corday called "time of death 2:56" I lost it. That was amazing acting by Paul McCrane and Alex Kingston. Also I loved that the last words Lucy heard was the extremely kind "Ms. Knight, we've invested too much in you to lose you" from Romano. I loved the acting of Kellie Martin in that scene. You could see that she heard those words, and sort of exhaled. At least she died knowing people cared about her.
- But the scene that really got to me was Benton tending to Carter post-surgery, and being unable to tell Carter that Lucy had died. Mr. Straight Shooter Benton just avoiding Carter's questions until Carter realized the truth. Eriq La Salle also acted the shit out of this episode. I loved the way he started doing things normally a nurse would do, because it was Carter.
- The final scene of Romano and Weaver stitching up Lucy was almost too much to watch. Again, Paul McCrane was amazing here. His eyes were red with tears.
I loved how in this episode the focus was not on the usual "good guys" of the ER but on Team Asshole. Romano, Weaver, Anspaugh, Benton, even Corday (who is nice in her personal life but very much a hard-charging surgeon) all did amazing acting in this episode and showed their heart and soul. Great two episodes.
Besides Benton running down the stairs I loved the scene where Anspaugh has to calm down a freaking out Benton in the OR.
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I thought Michael Gross as Carter’s father was great casting.