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Flower wasn't one of my favorite ghosts, but the things they said about her at the memorial service were moving and actually made me teary. As a couple of posters said above, it would be a cheat to have her not really gone after that memorial service.
I don't think this was the best episode of the series, but I'm still happy to have it back--currently it is the only regular TV series (as opposed to streaming) that I watch.
Unpopular opinion, maybe because I'm old and prudish, but I'm getting tired of the "sucked off" jokes. The writers seem too reliant on them, kind of like 13-year-old boys.
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Just finished this and found it interesting but weird. I'm hoping that others will come here to comment.
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On 10/2/2023 at 11:40 PM, NJRadioGuy said:
What started as a brilliant little series shat the bed in the most colossally spectacular fashion imaginable.
I haven't reached the end yet (just watched the first episode of Season 3) but have been tempted to give up on this series several times. I may finish now that I'm close to the end, but it is so frustrating! The concept was really interesting, but the writing and characterization have been at best inconsistent and at worst ridiculous. I'm especially frustrated with Laurits, who keeps going back to and siding with the Jutuls even though they have rejected him, threatened him, and tried to kill him several times, especially after Vidar's death. And he blames and betrays Magne even though Vidar was clearly trying to kill Laurits before Magne killed Vidar to stop him from killing Magne. I understand that Laurits is a disaffected youth who wants to feel accepted, but he has a biological mother and half-biological brother who both show that they love him despite his attitude and actions, yet Laurits rejects both of them in favor of people who reject and want to kill him and his biological family. I just wish the writers would show a little more emotional depth or conflict to Laurits.
More broadly, I'm frustrated with the Giants' constant threats of murdering Magne and his family since Season 1. They've had multiple opportunities to carry out these threats but somehow never actually do it. I can understand Magne's reluctance to actually murder the Giants, since he is a decent person at heart, but in the episode I just watched when he was threatening Fjor and Ran with the hammer, it was almost laughable to see him smash things and touch their cheeks with the hammer but not actually hurt them. I don't know how much more provocation he needs to do what needs to be done (kill the Giants), but until I read your post I had hoped that he would reach that point by the end of this season. Now I doubt that there will be any kind of satisfying ending.
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2 hours ago, Affogato said:
I think at the end of season one Nathan and his partner are arguing. Nathan's partner wants to partner with another company. Nathan wants to sell to Horizon. When his partner categorically refuses to sell to Horizon, Nathan goes behind his partner's back and sells a copy of the code they have written to, I believe, Ingrid's Dad/Horizon, because Nathan's family needs money. Nathan is killed to cover it up. Those are the memories that they are worried about Nathan recovering. Nora helps him recover them.
I think they originally meant it to be used for good.
Thank you! Part of why I was confused about this is that when Nathan's memories were incomplete and/or confused, we (along with Nathan) were getting different interpretations of what really happened.
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@Chicago Redshirt Thanks so much for all of your explanatory posts. If there is another season, I will reread them before watching.
One thing I am still confused about--or maybe just don't remember what we learned in the previous seasons--is how did Freeyond start and what was it supposed to be originally. Wasn't this originally Nathan's software project that he was working on with his partner/friend? I have a vague memory that the partner/friend betrayed Nathan by selling Freeyond to Horizen--is that right? If it was originally Nathan's project, I think he intended it to be used for good--to offer a real alternative to those who couldn't afford a Horizen upload. But I don't remember what that alternative was--obviously it could not be as nice as Lakeview.
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On 11/16/2023 at 12:51 PM, Helena Dax said:
Philip telling William how to walk and how to deal with the situation broke my heart a little. The scene where he has to walk behind his family's coffins, surrounded by Nazi parafernalia, is one of the most powerful of the show visually speaking.
What Nazi paraphernalia was on or around the coffins? My husband and I missed that.
Wait, maybe I misunderstood--I thought you meant that it was William surrounded by Nazi paraphernalia, but I'm realizing you probably meant an episode in an earlier season when Philip was walking in a funeral for someone in his family.-
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1 hour ago, SoTheresThat said:
I wonder if (even though it's moot now) Diana ever traveled in a vehicle with tinted windows? Seems like that might have been able to keep the paps away to an extent.
Except that they either knew where she was going (maybe bribing hotel staff or other people for info) or waited for her to leave when they knew she was at a restaurant, hotel, or other location, then followed her. Maybe it would helped to wear a disguise (wig, etc.) and go in a plain car, nothing fancy--but she shouldn't have had to do that.
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On 11/3/2023 at 9:29 PM, Snazzy Daisy said:
Only watching this because of Louis Hofmann. I like him in Dark.
So that's where I've seen him before! I rewatched Dark at least 3 times but somehow didn't realize this was the same actor.
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On 11/10/2023 at 4:05 AM, Jediknight said:
Okay, first off fantastic job with Ingrid this season. They humanized her by showing why she would be so attached to Nathan. Her friends were terrible, and her dad wished she died, but there was Nathan. Nathan was the one that actually cared about her. Nathan didn't see her as a status symbol, or money, or didn't run her down with stuff like her friend did.
9 hours ago, bettername2come said:It was nice to see Nora and Ingrid bonding.
I also liked Ingrid better this season, but I don't understand what Nora said to her to make her willing to testify. And I'm still unclear on why her testimony was so crucial. Actually, I'm unclear on what the overall trial was intended to accomplish. I know that the lawyer (Nathan's ex) said they won because they got a lot of money for the families, but was the main issue in question at the trial?
10 hours ago, bettername2come said:The commercial for Horizen was very well done.
The commercial was great--cleverly written and slickly produced, just like what a real mega-company would produce to salvage a PR disaster.
It's annoying that this season was only 8 episodes and ends on a cliffhanger, especially since it will probably be more than a year until the next season (assuming it is renewed). Overall I did not enjoy this season as much as the first two, though the last 2 episodes of this season seemed better than the rest of of this season.
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I can't remember why this was supposed to be their last day together and why Nathan had to upload that day. Was it because he expected his head to explode after the 1-month part?
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On 8/20/2023 at 7:16 PM, TV Anonymous said:
Let me add another one. When Sutherland, Larkin, and the old lady were walking around the street of supposedly Washington, a Canada Post truck passed by.
At this point I assume that every show or movie that is supposed to take place in the US has been shot in Vancouver--overgeneralizing, of course. But this year my husband and I spent a few weeks in Vancouver, and since then we keep seeing locations we recognize in various shows. A couple of weeks ago we watched a show supposedly taking place in a US suburb and small city that had scenes in a residential area that looked exactly like the one where our Airbnb was, in terms of street layout and house architecture.
I know that production companies film in Canada for financial reasons and because it's easy to find locations that look like the US, but if you as the viewer recognize the Canadian locations, it can distract you from the plot and make it harder to get engaged in the action.
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5 hours ago, AnimeMania said:
3) If Choak is dead, how was he in that holographic meeting somewhere? What were those people doing?
Choak is dead, but he can facetime with the real world anytime he wants. Those people are trying to kill off enough people (upload them to Freeyond), to get a bill passed that will allow dead downloaded people to be able to work.
Thank you, I had some of the same confusion as @blackwing and your answer was very helpful. But I'm still confused about why Choak and the others in the meeting are trying to kill off people. I know they are trying to kill off potential voters, but I didn't realize that the purpose was to pass a bill to allow dead downloaded people to work. Why would these rich people (in Lakeview and in the real world) want to allow dead downloaded people to work?
I thought the bill had something to do with suppressing the vote so the rich bad buys would have total control of the options for uploading after death. Not just Lakeview but Freeyond, though I'm still unsure about what Freeyond offered.
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I rejoined Amazon Prime mainly so I could watch Upload Season 3, but I am very disappointed in this season. The first season was so great that I recommended it to all my friends. The second season was not as great but still mostly clever, funny, and moving. But this season the writers seem to be throwing things at the wall in terms of plot and characters in an effort to find enough material, and the result for me is confusion and boredom.
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I've only seen two so far (Real Life and Autofac, which are episodes 1 and 2 on Prime Video). I thought Real Life was well done and intriguing (I'm still not sure which one was the real person and which one was the "vacation"), but Autofac was kind of boring, with cliche dialogue, slow pacing, and mediocre acting. The big reveal with Emily was interesting, but it would have been better to spend more time on that part of the story.
I was distracted throughout Autoface trying to figure out if Emily was played by Juno Temple. I just checked the cast and see that it was Juno, but she looked softer and almost rounder than she does in other things I've seen (especially Ted Lasso).
I know it's too much to expect all the episodes to be consistently good, but I hope most of them hold my interest.
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On 10/21/2023 at 1:41 AM, Bastet said:
Viv being so firm with Beau, that she doesn't know what made him like this and it's probably something sad, but it doesn't matter, she doesn't want anything to do with him, so if he tries to contact her again against her express instructions, she will report him was fabulous.
Loved your whole post, but in this scene I couldn't help but think of the often-cited fact that leaving an abuser is the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic violence. Although this was not a fully developed domestic violence situation, Beau was showing all the characteristics of an abuser--being possessive and controlling, and he did grab her at one point. I'm sure it would have gotten worse physically if she stayed with him, and the sad truth is that many women do stay with their abusers or go back to them after leaving. Still, I'm glad the show gave Viv a positive ("happy") ending that could also be instructional for viewers who may be in a similar situation.
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26 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:1 hour ago, DMK said:
I got the impression that Maplewood and her brother had a congenital condition they were born with and he resented her selling out for the ability to walk.
I’m gonna have to rewatch this. Not a hardship, I liked it.
You’re right. I also caught that part in the first scene with her brother, that they were both born with a congenital condition and he had refused the surgery but she wanted to walk.
I missed that--will have to rewatch. Not sure what that does to my theory of different versions of Iris and whether she would be able to walk in 2023.
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22 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:
The numbers are very sad and true, including the fact that 90% of drugs that work on animals don’t work on humans. It’s actually 90-95%. So why would we still torture them?
Greed by the pharmaceutical companies, though I'm sure they would say they only care about improving the health of people.
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9 hours ago, Straycat80 said:
I was confused about a couple things:
When did Gabriel get the tattoo of the symbol on his wrist? He didn’t have it in 2053 did he?
The teen boy with Elias in episode one. What was his connection in all this and why did he kill himself?I was confused about the tattoo also, but my husband thought it was like a burn that those who went through the portal got, because it was the same shape as the symbol that we saw in the red lights when The Throat was activated. Gabriel did not have the tattoo when he was alive and a professor in 2053 because he had not yet gone through the portal, but the body of Gabriel that Maplewood found in 2053 and that the other detectives found in 1890, 1941, and 2023 did have the tattoo because that Gabriel went through the portal (as Iris was shooting him).
The teen boy (I think his name was Syed) was apparently a friend of Elias (the teen version) who was threatened/frightened into showing up near the body with a gun in 2023, thus making himself a suspect. I don't remember the details, but my husband thinks he was told that they would kill his family if he didn't do that and if he didn't kill himself when the police showed up to arrest him.
12 hours ago, calvinshobbes said:It is likely Maplwood and her brother sustained their injuries because of the bomb blast. She said she saw her mother die because of the blast. If Elias never set off the bomb, Maplewood could very well not have her disability.
That makes sense! To take it further, the only way the taxi driver in 2023 could be Iris (as opposed to her mother) is if her body split into different versions when she went through The Throat (which is what I originally theorized). The version that appeared in 1890 was crippled because she had not yet met and convinced Hillinghead to change things. But once the loop was broken and the bomb did not go off, any later versions of Iris would not be crippled (if the bomb was the cause of her injury). We didn't see if a version of her landed in 1941, but the 2023 version of her was probably fine. She no longer existed in 2053.
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On 10/22/2023 at 11:58 PM, DearEvette said:
Did the Usher kids all die in order of age from youngest to oldest? If so I wonder why Lenore was last? If she was doing it simply by bloodline and in age order Lenore would have been first. If she was doing it in generational order, then Lenore should still have been the first.
I'm not sure of everyone's ages, but it did seem that they were dying from youngest to oldest in the first generation of Roderick's bloodline. But Lenore was the second generation so would die after them regardless of age.
On 10/22/2023 at 11:58 PM, DearEvette said:I get the feeling she left Lenore to last (before Rod and Madeleine) because she really would rather have not killed her at all. But the rules of her existence means that even she must abide by her own bargains.
Although I like that idea, I think she also left Lenore for last in order to maximally hurt Roderick (and I guess also Madeline, but especially Roderick). He seemed to love Lenore more than any of his children, and he definitely saw her as innocent in contrast to his children.
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I just found an "ending explained" article that seems to support my original idea of a body splitting and ending up in more than one time period, though this explanation refers to Defoe: When Mannix shows up at The Throat in 2053, "Maplewood, who still thinks she’s on the side of justice, allows him to step inside The Throat to head to 1890. Defoe jumps in after him, and Maplewood shoots Defoe. Because she shoots him as he’s splitting into a different timeline, his body ends up in four different years."
Here's a link to the whole article, which I found helpful: https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/bodies-ending-explainer
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11 minutes ago, DMK said:
It’s definitely Iris. The only things I can possibly think of is that it’s either a whole new loop or the tech she had on her back to walk caused a glitch in which she didn’t disappear like everyone else. Which sucks for the 1890 copy of her, if that’s the case.
I think that just before she went into The Throat she said "I'm going to die there, aren't I?" (referring to her 1890 destination). But she expected to get there alive so she could do something to change the loop (telling the detective the truth about Harker and what was going to happen). She probably assumed that after contacting the detective she would live the rest of her life in 1890 and that she couldn't come back to 2053 or go to another time.
I like your idea about the tech on her back causing a glitch that prevented her from disappearing. And maybe the same glitch caused two versions of her to appear in two different time periods. If she appeared in 2023 naked and unable to walk, maybe someone called an ambulance and she was taken to a hospital, where she was helped with 2023 technology such as leg braces. But it still seems unlikely she could get a job driving a taxi with that kind of disability.
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7 hours ago, DMK said:9 hours ago, Paloma said:
The time travel theory in this show seemed to be that you split into different bodies or versions of yourself at least momentarily when you go into The Throat, though presumably those different bodies/versions are recombined by the time they reach their destination. But maybe they don't always recombine and two or more bodies/versions can end up in different time periods.
I thought of that, that’s why there were many copies of Defoe’s body getting dropped through time. But once teenage Mannix broke the loop and didn’t set off the bomb, he disappeared, future Hasan disappeared, no Defoe bodies dropped, thus there should be no Maplewood copies either.
You're right, it doesn't make sense. The only other explanation that I can think of is that the taxi driver in 2023 is Iris's mother (or future mother). But that wouldn't explain why she seemed to look identical to Iris, down to the bangs, or why the final shot was her face rather than Hasan's face. Maybe the writer/director was just messing with our minds.
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On 10/22/2023 at 12:14 PM, DMK said:
The final scene perplexed me: why was Maplewood driving a cab in present day?
The time travel theory in this show seemed to be that you split into different bodies or versions of yourself at least momentarily when you go into The Throat, though presumably those different bodies/versions are recombined by the time they reach their destination. But maybe they don't always recombine and two or more bodies/versions can end up in different time periods.
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3 hours ago, Emmybean said:
I have a hard time reconciling the Roderick who fell in love with Annabel Lee and who should have been a poet with the man who bricked up Gris.
Same here, and young Roderick before Annabel also seemed like a decent person, while Madeline was always more cold and manipulative. I get that their mother's illness and death messed them up, but there didn't seem to be an understandable transition from an apparently honest and caring Roderick to one who pulled off a long con, lied to prosecutors, and literally killed a man in cold blood with not even the slightest hint of remorse (other than worrying about whether they'd be caught).
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S01.E06: Episode 6
in The Tourist
I don't know how much we can trust to be true of the LSD memories, including whether he was Kosta's accountant or directly involved in the drug trade by making women swallow heroin for transport. But if he did make women do this (and I hope it's not true because it would be so OOC from his seemingly good guy nature in his behavior toward Helen and Luci) or had to interact with the Russian women in some other way, he probably would have picked up enough Russian to communicate. It didn't seem like he was a native or even fluent Russian speaker.
I hope @Ottis is right that the Russian woman was lying, and I agree that your personality should not change just because you lose your memory (aside from being confused, scared, and at least temporarily paranoid).
Technically it was Luci (or Victoria as she was called then) who stole the money from Kosta. I think she left the money bag in the motel room with Elliott when she broke up with him in a flashback. Elliott hid the money probably because he didn't know what to do with it.
If they hadn't announced a second season, it would have been frustrating not to know if Elliott survives. But I hope that he and Helen eventually figure out what is true about the memories and what the Russian woman said.