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    The Traitors in the Media

    in The Traitors (USA)

    On 2/25/2024 at 9:53 PM, LakeGal said:

    Crave TV in Canada has all the Traitors seasons.

    Crave TV almost got my money just so I can watch all the international shows 😂

    I was a credit card number away from subscribing until @Irlandesa said they’re coming to Peacock next month. I can wait one month for free 😁

    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    · Edited by AntFTW

    12 hours ago, Mimi said:

    Why was there a recruitment of Kate and a murder?  I thought one could recruit or murder and not both.

    5 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

    They're making up rules as they go on.  No one could have predicted Peter would be dumb enough to refuse an offer to become a traitor.  The dipshit producers didn't have a plan B, so the viewers were left with an episode where no one left. The next recruitment was now either say yes or leave the show.  The producers have some catching up to do.

    2 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

    Accept or be murdered was how it was always set up in the first UK season. I don't know why the producers just didn't follow that rule. I mean, they're copying everything else from the UK version. 🤷‍♀️

    I'm pretty sure they did the ultimatum the same way in the UK show.

    In the ultimatum, the lone traitor picks a Faithful to give an ultimatum to, "join me as a traitor or die." If the Faithful accepts, the traitors then get to murder someone else.

    2 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

    I mean, they're copying everything else from the UK version. 🤷‍♀️

    Literally everything, down the challenges.

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    The Traitors in the Media

    in The Traitors (USA)

    32 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

    It doesn’t look like we’re ever getting “real” people in the cast again. 

    https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/how-the-traitors-became-the-most-popular-reality-shows-on-tv-1234974247/

    I'm conflicted.

    I liked the first season. The whole reason I watched season 1 was because Cirie was in it, and I liked her from Survivor. I liked it enough to watch all of it. I liked the mechanics of the game, but I didn't overly love the season. I love the second season with the reality show stars. The drama is intensified. I feel like they play harder than the regular people did on season 1, which I like. That put me on the side of having more reality stars appear on the show.

    However, I've now watched season 1 of The Traitors UK. I assume the cast was all regular non-reality people before the show. Since I don't watch any UK reality TV, they were all regular people to me anyway. The UK season 1 show was phenomenal. All of the things that I like about season 2 of the US show with the reality stars, the regular UK people gave me all of it. It was good drama and they played hard.

    Maybe a compromise can be had here? US reality stars mixed with regular UK people?

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

    in The Traitors (USA)

    6 minutes ago, SourK said:

    Dan definitely blew things up for everyone when he pushed to murder someone with a shield and then started going after Phaedra, and I would be annoyed if I were on team Traitor with him. But also there were three people in that tower and the other two could have put their feet down and refused to murder someone who could have a shield. They all made that mistake together.

    I think that trying to murder Bernie was Dan and Parvati’s mistake, not so much Phaedra’s.

    That one move marked Dan and Parvati’s downfall. That move did nothing for Phaedra. It didn’t hurt her game. Phaedra’s mistake, I guess, was trusting Dan but I understand how she couldn’t foresee that Dan would have dragged her down with him.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

    in The Traitors (USA)

    Sandra did another podcast interview, and she explains that the whole reason she tells Phaedra to aim for Trishelle is because they wanted CT to get the shield over Trishelle. She says that she's thinking CT is in "The Leftovers" and Trishelle is in the opposite alliance, forgetting in that moment that CT and Trishelle had known each other for over 20 years. She didn't realize in that moment that trying to get CT a shield would have rung some alarm bells with CT.

    Also, Sandra says that even though she may think or suspect that Phaedra is a traitor, Sandra believes that Phaedra is protecting her. At this point, Sandra believes banishing Phaedra only hurts her game. I believe she's said this before.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    · Edited by AntFTW

    12 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

    Yes he could have done that.  The problem is the "faithfuls" were desperate for a win and Dan knew that.  If he got them to vote for a faithful, they'd just come back to him the next week.  I think he was hoping if he could give them a traitor, one that nobody suspected (apparently), then it'd take some of the pressure off. I get his strategy but I think he would have had an easier time going after Parvati.

    He would have definitely had an easier time naming Parvati. Parvati was the only other name that would have feasibly been voted out if it wasn't Dan. Parvati and Dan were the names that had the most buzz when Dan was voted out. Dan was unwilling to throw Parvati under the bus. Didn't they offer a deal to Dan to flip on Parvati? or is that my imagination?

    Some of the cast in their exit interviews have said that Dan just waited too late to throw out Phaedra's name. Instead of drawing his red strings and sleeping on it, Dan should have been spreading seeds about Phaedra earlier than he did. Dan waited until people were already committed to voting for him. It was too late to turn their heads away from Dan.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    16 minutes ago, Rae Spellman said:

    In this interview, he more or less says he wasn't trying to be like Arie. He figured if he made it to the end with Phaedra, she would likely throw him under the bus.

    I actually think Phaedra wouldn’t have done that to him.

    i remember Cirie explained why she got rid of Arie in the end, and she said something like Arie wasn’t a traitor for that long. Arie had only done one or two murders, meanwhile Cirie had been going through the stress of being a traitor from day one. She felt he didn’t deserve it. I’m not sure if Arie being there from day 1 would have made a difference but that’s what she said.

    Phaedra, on the other hand, put some genuine trust in her fellow traitors. Had they made it to the end together, I don’t think she would have gotten rid of them. 

    On the flip side, I think Dan and Parvati would have done it to Phaedra though 😂

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    4 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

    And even without Dan’s input, Trishelle had her list of Very Important Clues that likely would have put a spotlight on Phaedra regardless.

    I think that made up about 0.5% of her suspicion about Phaedra and Dan’s input made up the other 99.5% of it.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    10 hours ago, MartyQui said:

    In the Australian version of the show, the traitors picked off each other one by one.  It was pretty fun to watch!

    In the first season of the UK version, one guy turned on a traitor every time he was in the hot seat. He would go apeshit just about every time he was in the hot seat. It was entertaining to watch.

    I just finished season 1 of the UK show. It was amazing!

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    3 minutes ago, tvfanatic13 said:

    First, I agree that it was BS that Dan called out his fellow Traitor (and I thought that I saw some rules floating around the interwebs that prohibited Traitors outing other Traitors), BUT, instead of calling out Phaedra as a traitor which some are saying (and, of course, true), couldn't it just as easily been that he was calling out Phaedra to take the suspicion off of the other traitors?

    Yes, the purpose was to take the suspicion off of himself. I don't see that purpose as a distinction. Calling out a fellow traitor is calling out a fellow traitor, no matter the purpose.

    I understand he could have called out anyone and put that same heat on anyone else also. I understand it's not directly confirming that Phaedra is a traitor, which I assume is against the rules, it still feels like he confirmed that she was a traitor.

    It's like you have to figure out Blue's clues, and Dan gave 2 of the 3 clues. 😂

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    I'm usually the first one to say there is no fairness in these games. The players just have to play the hand they're dealt and not the hand they wish they had.

    ...but I just can't stop thinking about Dan, a person that happened to be a traitor and clearly knows who other traitors are, calling Phaedra out as a traitor and that just seems unfair.

    I'm not sure if Phaedra makes it out of this hole but it doesn't seem like she's getting out any time soon.

    So far, her downfall just seems to always go back to a confirmed traitor calling her out. Sure, they point to her her eye-twitches, her body language, and her composure as if they are masters at reading people. They have their "bullet points" as they say, but the one thing they never let go of is the fact that a confirmed traitor forcefully called Phaedra a traitor in front of everybody.

    Some cast members, Janelle and Sandra most notably, have said they didn't suspect Phaedra. I believe Bergie said in one of his interviews that he doesn't really look at Phaedra until Dan calls her out. Sandra outright said in one of these podcasts that Dan really blew up Phaedra's game.

    That just feels unfair and that conflicts with my thoughts on "fairness" in these reality show games.

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    S39.E19: Only One Gets the Crown

    in The Challenge

    8 hours ago, Jobiska said:

    I don't like to be meanspirited, but I couldn't help smirking every time Berna's balancing thingies fell down.  Her whining was just too much, and her hypocrisy (still not over her bullying Amber B. back in the day, and then whining about being bullied herself).

    Berna did the same to Nurys in this season (in her interviews, not to Nurys' face). Berna complained about Nurys going off about nobody having her back, excusing it as it being Nurys' fault that she was on the outs. However, apparently, it was forgotten that she was crying, complaining, and had an attitude at the start of the season because she felt isolated from everyone in the house and alone.

    I cracked! up! every time Berna complained about having to drink that nasty mix. I cracked up every time she was "I can't do it." I laugh when she cried. It felt like I was laughing at Fessy.

    This was me:

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    4 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

    Were the control and chaos portions not part of the cumulative time that the finalists had? In other words, the winner was based solely on conquest? Something feels off about that.

    I think so but they've done that over the last few finals. Instead of a cumulative time of all the stages determining the winner, they're playing for an advantage on the next stage. They were playing for safety, sabotages and head starts. Then, the final stage is a foot race to the finish with some equalizing checkpoints along the way.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

    in The Traitors (USA)

    1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

    I wish Phaedra had recruited John.

    I wish she had recruited CT, Trishelle or Sandra.

    But the thing is... Trishelle had the shield so I'm not sure if it would have been an empty threat. If Trishelle declined Phaedra's ultimatum, would the shield have protected her?

    Of the three, my top choice is Sandra. I think Sandra is the least likely to turn on Phaedra.

    I think CT would turn on Phaedra when it gets convenient. It's sort of his thing on The Challenge.

    Trishelle would have been interesting because it puts Trishelle on the other side. It would be interesting to see how she navigates being a traitor after spending an entire season chasing shields, pointing fingers and hunting traitors. I just feel like the shield would have protected her from the ultimatum.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    7 minutes ago, Shorty186 said:

    I haven't watched Survivor since Season 1, so how the hell was Sandra able to win? She's been wrong with her vote every single time except the 2 times it was impossible for ANYone to be wrong. When it was Dan vs Parvati and Parvati vs Phaedra. She's a total idiot.

    Because Sandra votes wherever the numbers are. She votes wherever she thinks the majority is going regardless of if she believes the target is a traitor or not. Her first goal is getting to the end, not trying to be right. If that means leaving traitors around for now, she will do that.

    Sandra is hiding her vote among the majority. She’s not trying to stand out. She’s not trying to give the traitors a reason to single her out. She’s also not tying to stand out during the banishments. Therefore, she votes wherever the numbers are.

    I think Sandra is playing in true Sandra style. She got to end on Survivor by blending in and not standing out. Then, she talks her way to $1 million. Sandra never gave people a reason to target her. People never felt like she was a threat.

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    This is bullshit! They should have showed us the entire banishment vote.

    It’s hilarious to me that Peter’s Pals made a deal with Parvati to vote for Phaedra in order for Parvati to save herself, and Peter’s Pals use that (their own deal) as evidence that Phaedra is a traitor.  😂😂😂

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    S02.E09: A Game of Death

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    With only a few more days for the Traitors to remain undetected and win the game, a Faithful and a Traitor go head-to-head; one Faithful must decide their fate after being given an ultimatum; shots are fired during the mission.

    Air date: February 22, 2024

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