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I don`t really agree. I mean, at first it appears that way, that he moved on rather quickly from something or changed his mind into agreeing with something he previously did not but then, a couple of episodes later or even a Season later during an argument he comes out with pretty much the previous accusations. So either he changed his mind again quickly into UN-forgiveness or he just inititally filed the issue away for further use. However, I will say that with Cas it doesn`t really happen much because Sam in general seems, I don`t know, weirdly detached from him? That is, he will stick up for him and even genuinely count him as a friend at times but I never got the feeling that Cas` betrayals or actions are things he takes personally. Even personal actions against him like breaking of the wall. There is little anger or hurt there that could be followed by easy forgiveness. Instead it`s almost like he doesn`t even ponder the question of forgiveness because he didn`t much feel personally hurt by it or invested in it in the first place. They interacted a lot last year, during the second half and nevertheless it feels like they simply existed next to each other. And it wasn`t even about focusing on Dean because they didn`t pow-wow about his condition or the MOC or anything at length. I don`t think it`s like that with say Sam and Garth or Charlie or Jody or heck, even Crowley. .

I got what Sam was supposed to think and/or convey there, it just made NO sense whatsoever for me. With the trials, he knew everything. Dean made his plea and Sam decided to listen to it. He could give full, informed consent and afterwards, appeared fine with the decision. And I never for a moment thought Dean concealed the "yo, I don`t want you to die from these trials, yo" reason to Sam. That was blindingly obvious. Sam even stopped after hearing that horrible line of complete self-annihilitaton of "there is nothing past or present I woulld put in front of you". Sorry but someone who declares THAT - and he said that to Sam`s face which apparently Sam was fine with - is someone I would expect crap like a facilitated angel-possession from. After all, it would be only consistent for them to behave in this way. What else should it mean than "I literally put your life first before everything." Sure, it`s screwed up but Dean put it out there, didn`t lie or sugarcoat it. So what he did in the hospital later was pretty much following through some more. Now Gadreel is different insofar as Sam didn`t make a choice about it. He gave some consent, in a way like Dean did with the Mark, saying yes without hearing any fine print. But it wasn`t full and informed constent. So I get that he blames Dean for the act of trickery there. But just because Sam now wants to disown the choice of stopping the trials doesn`t mean, he gets to pawn it off on Dean. It`s still his choice, if he feels bad about it now or not. He can`t claim it as his choice only as long as he is fine with it. IEven if he changed his mind because he thinks Dean did something wrong, it doesn`t change a thing for me. All Dean did was ask in that church, Sam was the special trial-boy, Dean was the completely irrelevant kitchen boy, his power in the trials was less than nil Sam held the power, Sam exercised his power back then with IMO all the necessary information. If he looks at that information differently now? That is frankly his problem. It actually reminded me of a few bits of dialogue in Season 1. Dean meets Jess in the Pilot and figures out she isn`t in the know. Sam says that`s the way it`s gonna be and he wants it like that. It is basically his decision. Couple eps later and Sam finds out Dean told his old girlfriend the truth and says accusingly "for a year and a half I lie to my girlfriend and you tell some girl in Ohio". And? So? Even if it was the freaking family rule, Sam had broken away from that to make his own choices. And he did. He was not beholden to family rules. It was his choice not to tell Jess. And he was fine with it when she was alive. That he was no longer fine with it after doesn`t mean he suddenly only did it to follow the family credo and somehow it was enforced on him. It also doesn`t mean somehow Dean telling a girlfriend of his is some betrayal or something.

It`s not a perfect comparism, though. As you said yourself Merlin had the powers. In that way he was still "the Chosen One" for most of the show, making him much more akin to Sam. And I flat-out thought Colin Morgan played the most sympathetic version of a Sue-character ever. I meant that I bought and enjoyed the emotional component in Merlin whereas I don`t anymore in Supernatural. As for storylines, I prefer supernatural ones to mundane human ones and supernatural characters to unspecial human ones. However, I also completely abhor Sue-pimped Chosen Ones because in most cases the writing fails spectacularly. Sometimes the acting can cushion it, sometimes make it 100 degrees worse. I don`t think there was much blaming of Sam last Season or pushing responsibility onto him. Even I thought he had a legitimate gripe and a reason to be angry about the possession. Now his vile generalizations in the Purge? Totally out of line IMO and a completely falsety but I think him generalizing like that is consistent. And even as angry as he was, I don`t consider it unreasonable to expect something like "I hate you now for what you did and it was an unforgiveable fuck-up" instead of "everything you ever did in your life was a fuck-up and you have never been anything else but a selfish coward". But with the character, it`s either all good or all bad IMO. And he will readily accept or own a decision until he retroactively considers it a wrong one. Like stopping the trials. He had no problem with it till he learned of the Gadreel thing. After that, it was somehow another horrible betrayal and falsity from Dean. Whereas a) the two things are actually unrelated and b) if it WAS a horrible betrayal, it either was right away or not at all. However, I don`t think the writers meant to blame Sam. After all, the entire slanted Ghostfacers "parallels" episode was written to point an accusing finger at Dean. And everything Carver said reinforces that the writing is supposed to blame Dean. Whereas in Season 5 the writing and everything Kripke said reinforced that Dean was also to blame back then. Now I would be fine for Dean being blamed for Dean`s choices but not Sam`s. Same with that stupid ending scene in the Season 8 Finale where it wasn`t "my biggest sorrow is how I feel I screwed up" but actually "my biggest screw-up is how sad I feel when YOU decide to act wrongly towards me and go to other friends, the horror, it makes me wanna kill myself". So, in the end, Sam`s problem wasn`t Sam`s actions but Dean not being fine with them. And the scene, just like some in Season 5 beyond a really good combo with Sam and War where I bought genuine regret and self-exploration came across to me as nothing other than a bruised ego.

I am confident that I could rewrite the episode as was with minimal changes so as to still have the same outcome but have Dean not in it at all. That`s why I think he was irrelevant. Of course I have an ungodly hate for the "yellow crayon - love saves the day" shtick in the first place, IMO it`s what you do when for some reason a character has to save the day who has no skills or destiny or importance otherwise. So all they can is make a speech and inexplicably the villain caves. But the way you describe Dean, I guess that is my biggest problem with how it defines him. He has always been my fave character but the reason was never his relationship with Sam or how devoted he was to him, how much he revolved around him. Increasingly, I`ve tried to ignore that part to keep liking the character. I liked Dean for other reasons. And I do admit to being hypocritical enough in not having a problem with a character completely revolving around another when that other is my favourite. Merlin in the aptly named BBC show in the end lived and breathed for Arthur. I loved it. Why? Because Arthur was my favourite. Yet I hate it here because Dean is mine and not Sam. So I can`t enjoy that construct. I was on the verge of giving up the show in Season 3 because Sam was the supernatural storyline, point blank. Then they had the guts to send Dean to hell and it looked like he had gotten his own stake in it. Two years they somewhat spent on it. Then bam, it all meant nothing. I never needed to be there in the first place. Just a big fat joke at viewer`s expense. Not to mention seeing as I felt the message was that Dean was at fault for his behaviour in Season 4 and thus Sam releasing Lucifer was really more Dean`s fault for not being supportive or kow-tow-y enough, then I figured that HE should get the redemption, too. At least equally. But instead he got the blame but none of the redemptive glory. Even as late as the Season 9 Finale they have Death of all people come in and congratulate Sam on his awesomeness. Just like Head!Bobby got a dig in on how unimportant little Dean wasn`t even good enough to help during the trials. Just like Crowley got in his own dig in the Season 8 Finale on how Dean was completely unimportant. Then he was pawned off to Cas while Cas had a bit of downtime with HIS supposed trials. To me, these are what is to stay with the viewers because it is there in the dialogue. Till Dean took the Mark last year, that is how Mytharc episodes went by for a lot of it, Dean was there during the downtime between important stuff. He had to be awkwardly put into it around the crucial action. Probably with emo or failure. After the MOC, I did several double takes because Dean was suddenly in the thick of things during the myth stuff.

I don`t really care how a character looks at it because for them sacrificing their favourite jacket might be hard for all I know. But I as an outsider look at cold, hard numbers: the more people you save, the higher you rank. Ergo, saving the entirety of mankind is unbeatable. Saving one life pales very much in comparism. If they had presented the Leviathan threat better and made the Season 7 Finale bigger - instead of "as lame as possible" - and gave Dean more of a flashy Chosen One role there in the conclusion, then maybe, the two would be comparable a bit. Dean, too, would have gotten the hero mark of saving the world by his lonesome. But for everything they pimped with the Michael vs. Lucifer apocalypse, they did not do it with Dick Roman. They equally did not do it with Azazel and the demons breaking out. And Eve? Forgotten one episode after her defeat so that`s by far the least comparable to 5.22. Abaddon, too, was wasted. So for me there is still the gap the width of the Grand Canyon. And very much not in Dean`s favour. With the way it was presented on the show? A resounding yes. It was second-hand embarassment even having to watch Dean`s character in the second half of Season 8 for how completely unimportant he was. Well, not for me. And not for many people whose thoughts on the Finale I`ve read. And the least I would have expected of an episode that concluded the five year arc of the show was to make it so it was crystal clear that both supposed main characters were important. That noone could doubt so. When Dean killed Azazel, John helped in a crucial way. Even if I hated the character of John with a burning of a thousand suns (and I don`t), I could not claim that he didn`t play an absolutely physically important in the action. The Season Finale left it very open to interpretation in how far (or little) Dean mattered. What they put outright in the text and in the action was that he didn`t matter very much. Now maybe, he kinda, possibly, could have mattered in a metaphorical way, if you squint. But that`s way too little for me.

He did nothing BUT show up. No action, not even physically helping one little bit, just kneeling on the ground and looking up in awe as Sam did everything. The character being there served the same purpose as a memory or a picture would have. Or an inanimate object. Which actually was shown to have an effect. I felt it was shown that Michael was right as rain when he made that statement. Adam was part of the story now. Dean was replacable and easily replaced. In the end, I don`t think he needed to be in the episode. And as it was the crucial episode, the one that ended a five year arc, that is a sad statement for a supposed main character. There hasn`t been an episode that important again and likely never will because I hope to God this show won`t last another five years. The Finales that followed didn`t close out a multi-year important arc. So they were all lower tier. The Season 2 Finale was lower tier. Every win before and after was presented as lower tier. And if Dean can not get his very own 5.22, he can never close that gap. Ever. They had a small window of opportunity with the trials but again they blew it and gave that to Sam, degrading Dean to the most useless kitchen boy and nanny. He didn`t need to be in those episodes 8.14 till 8.23 either. So, I think all chances came and went.

For me it means ready-made excuses that absolves the character of all blame and/or the past misdeeds retconned to retroactively pin the blame on someone or something else. Redemption is fine, As is forgiveness. Or growing from mistakes. Giving sympathetic reasons for why they did it or show a character`s POV, all not whitewash for me. For example, I felt that in Season 4 Sam`s pride got adressed as a character flaw. He went wrong with it, not everyone else in not bowing down to him. The journey of Season 5 on the other hand showed him as actually "the one and only hero" and everyone learned to bow down and accept their little helper roles. My conclusion? He didn`t have a character flaw in the first place (how can you be prideful if the sun really does shine out of your ass?) and everyone else`s, mainly Dean`s behaviour, had been the actual problem. Retroactively, THEY were wrong, not Sam who got the big hero story as a reward. And by "reward", I don`t mind not having personal suffering or anything, I mean the reward of the story. Not to mention "it wasn`t him, it was the demon-blood". That is white-wash to me. I can`t recall an example of Dean having that over the course of the show. Maybe when he was possessed by that creature that made him kill the Campbell girl, Gwen. He couldn`t be held accountable for it. The way Carver spoke with the "all Dean, all in control" seems like he rather gleefully sees the character as real Dean, regardless of the demonization. I`m not sure how that tracks because the point of Demon!Dean is that he isn`t normal!Dean, otherwise he wouldn`t be a demon. But it sounds as if no supernatural leniency is to be granted.

If I was assured that Demon!Dean would get the exact same amount of whitewash Sam has gotten in the entirety of the show, demon blood, soullessness and all tha, I`d be perfectly happy. Because then all the responsibility would get pawned off on Sam for being the sole disturbing factor in the relationship. Granted, that would be deeply slanted and biased writing, I acknolwledge that but if for once, Dean profits from it? No complains.

If he actually wanted to explore that,there would be ample opportunities without going the demon route. The callous killing of the hosts alone would provide it. I`m already wary of Demon!Dean killing random folks because he picked a fight with them/they with him. They could still easily make it other demons/monsters he killed. And I`d readily believe Demon!Dean to be the kind of guy who doesn`t suddenly cuddle up to other demons but to fight with anyone and anything. Just for fun. As for the shows I mentioned being VERY lenient with the morality of its characters, it isn`t even because they are vamps/supernatural so much so that on those shows a little bit of murder/mayhem/sexual abuse is just considered akin to "acting up" or "having a bad day". It`s just not a big deal. The only standard of good behaviour is following their tribal mentality to a T. What Dean did last year with Gadreel via healing Sam would be met with a "that was kinda not okay but actually really fantastic, high five" reaction. And any mayhem as a demon readily waved away within seconds afterwards. It can work if that has always been the reality and context of a show because you always know what you get.

Ironically, and especially on this network, it is generally NOT too much to ask. Vampire Diaries, Originals and heck, even the more "grounded in real life" Gossip Girl pulled it off, with a female teen fanbase to boot. Buffy pulled it off, too. However, I don`t think it would work on Supernatural.This is not the kind of show that has taken so much moral liberties with its characters previously that audience take it in stride when they stray or stray again. At least not acknowledged moral liberties because the cold stabbing of demon hosts has been going on for years. But Supernatural works differently in how it chooses to depict its protagonists so far and how far they have taken them. So I do hope they don`t throw out only and specifically Dean`s character over any lines they can`t take him back from simply because they are careless or even intentionally. That said, Jensen also in the first interviews said that in his opinion Demon!Dean doesn`t do anything that regular Dean would feel overcame everything good he ever did. And for an actor who back in Season 1 even initially refused to portray his character hitting a female character onscreen, I think he`d balk at the depiction of rape. Back in Buffy, James Marsters really had a problem with it. Also, there is textually no need to do it. Demon!Dean is not Quasimodo. Nor is he incapable of acting a certain way. Like for exampe, be charming for a minute or so. It is in no way stretching the realms of credibility that if he wants sex, he has no problem finding WILLING partners.

If they go for rape or something like that, I`d consider it nothing but character bashing when of course for Soulless Sam they not only had to give him the ultimate white-wash but also took care to present it as "oh, look at the stud, isn`t he great?" I hate their versus writing with Dean always being on the losing end as it is, throwing the character down the river because of some "oh, dark" kink would be the final straw. From what Jensen said, I imagine Demon!Dean is gonna be a dick to women in the sense of "the morning after". Like, he is capable of turning on the charme to get laid. And he - as well as the woman - has a fun time during. But afterwards he is getting snarky and mean. Maybe unfavourably commenting on their looks, performance, prospects. Which is not what regular Dean would do in the slightest.

I think they will be breaking down/writing the final episodes by March at the latest. If the actors haven`t signed on already, it`s possible the network could have made a commitment by then. However, they could also do a semi-open ending in case it has to serve as either a series wrap or a possible point of continuation. As we`ve seen, even killing off the leads is by no means final so I`d be hard pressed to think of something that would constitute an ending leaving no room for more.

Interesting interview. I think how "evil" Demon!Dean is gonna be will depend on what he wants and how easy or not he can get it at any given time. If he doesn`t care about anytihing, he doesn`t care about doing neither good nor evil. So for example if he wants lots of drinks and gets lots of drinks, that would be the end of it. Just that in society you can`t always feed the Id. That`s when the violence is gonna come in .Jensen already said Demon!Dean will get in one fight after the other.

Jensen said Demon!Dean doesn`t care about anything or anyone. Even when he hears Sam is in trouble, he goes "I don`t give a shit". Personally, I would scream and rage if even becoming a totally uncaring demon, Dean was still all "Sam, Sam, Sam". His entire problem has been revolving around Sam too much. So if it takes being a demon to stop that wholly - and then having a more moderate approach afterwards - then it`s finally character progression I`ve waited for since forever. I don`t want that to be the "prime directive" in his life. I never did and have increasingly hated it for years now. I`ve never liked the character solely or even mostly for that and in the last couple of years have only liked him inspite of it. I was thinking more along the lines of "okay, that`s it, my previous approach led me too far to one extreme so maybe it`s finally time to start trying something else". That would be good. Not kissing Sam`s ass left and right of course for I never felt they weren`t by and large equal partners so too much give on Dean`s end would just make him the submissive grunt. But never doing crap like inviting an angel in for possession when Sam is on his death-bed. Stopping the trials at least had the benefit of not overpopulating the veil even more with all the evil souls. However, he didn`t know that back then and his reasoning was "Sam. Death. Can`t. Be." That needs to stop. He is fine with his death. He can accept the deaths of close friends even if he is not fine with it. He needs to get there with Sam as well. I think he knew right from wrong. He wasn`t braindead nor had he arrived with a spaceship five minutes previously. "Right" and "wrong" after all are learned, cultural concepts. Rules of society. Technically, he knew those. He just didn`t see any reason to follow them if they didn`t align with what he wanted to achieve at any given moment. But I`m happy that finally it is human Sam doing whatever he might be doing. No supernatural excuse and white paint this time.

I wouldn`t expect him to be cute and cuddly as a demon. But the way he describes it as "guy who never stops partying", I don`t think he is even remotely there with the likes of Azazel, Lilith, Abaddon or Alistair. Heck, even Caine`s backstory was "slaughter for millenia" till one day he stopped and found true love. Admittedly, I`m a bit worried about the sexual stuff because, again, those writers have TERRIBLE instincts and sensitivity when it comes to that. But it doesn`t need to be violent. Demon!Dean still looks like he does so it`s perfectly reasonable if he got laid whenever he wants to. They don`t need to show him resorting to abuse just because no woman would give him the time of the day or anything. And he might deliberately turn on some version of the charme TO get laid and then be an ass afterwards. I`m envisioning something like when Angel turned evil first on Buffy. Now, aside from how he actually was evil then, just the first encounter he had with Buffy after they slept together (her first time), He made callous remarks on how she was like a pro but it was no big deal for him and all that. He was a pure, unadultered asshole in that scene. But it wasn`t EVOL per se. He didn`t try to force himself on her or anything, he was just mean. Which was supposed to be a metaphor on how guys can be once they get what they want. If that is the worst demon!Dean does in that regard, big whoop for a demon. And it certainly wouldn`t make the guy irredeemable for me. I think it`s a real scene. And personally, while I loved it, if that is the worst of Demon!Dean, I`m not worried at all. It`s very tame behaviour for a demon. Going by the cuts during that clip, it`s obviously bits and pieces of several scenes sliced together. Early on when they are talking, Dean appears to be bound. Which fits in what Jensen said about spending the majority of the ep in this state. So my best guess would be, Sam somehow captures Dean (maybe with the help of Cas and Crowley, it is said Cas and Dean have one scene together if I understood Misha correctly), then takes him back to the bunker and tries to cure/get to him all episode yet Demon!Dean escapes and is chasing him all over the bunker. That ending where Sam has a knife to Dean`s throat and Dean is all la-di-da about it might be the final frame of the episode. As a mini-cliffhanger leading into the next one.

After nine years and Dean getting more and more burdened and every progess he made towards a healthier outlook on himself and life be quickly and summarily regressed, maybe this drastic road is the only one left to take. Granted, it leaves room for more and epic guilt afterwards - like we didn`t have enough of that as an "arc" or even a fucking character trait by this point - but it could be so big, it actually leads to the opposite direction in the end. Demon!Dean is described as the ultimate carefree guy. He is not out and out doing evil as a mission, he doesn`t have the goal to take over hell or even cause as much harm as possible or anything. He just apparently doesn`t give a shit. About anything, Sam, the car, the world, hunting, Cas, Crowley, himself. Nothing. Now this will lead to violent situations because no way a guy with an attitude like that won`t get into one fight after another but being free and unburdened is something he didn`t have. Not after the fire Mary died in anyways. So maybe if he can get it out of his system now in one feel (demonic) swoop, afterwards he can actually achieve the middle ground he never could before. Like, be a good and heroic guy again but not crushing under it. As for how dark he`ll go, I have my fears the writers will screw it up because they have the common sense of a fly. It`s all "dog-fucking and slave collars yay" and then going "wow, this was maybe tasteless and offensive? I never would have guessed" afterwards. If so, I will not hate the character for it but the writers. Although personally I have a high tolerance for actual dark arcs. I was one of maybe three people who was annoyed when the lead in the Arrow show made a vow not to kill anymore in Season 2 because I was cool with him just offing the bad guys then and there. What annoys me more are like the white-washy beigeness they did with Sam previously. I can totally take a character losing it, slaughtering people in the thousands and then buy a redemption story and see them as a hero (again). And Dean IS a demon so it`s not like fully human Dean does the deeds. Yes, it is Dean`s soul but not the soul as he previously had it which is the point. Soulless Sam was parts of Sam as well, just not the whole thing.

Would be pretty embarassing if afterwards he realized, he was left with a soulless Dean because Dean`s soul has been changed into being demonic. If you take it out, there is no spare left or something. And I don`t think either exorcism or his powers work as anything other than pulling the entire "demonic soul" out. Just usually there is a body and hopefully an alive host person with a soul left. What they need for Demon!Dean is more like a soul cleanser, a "stain begone" that makes it human again. They are probably gonna bring in the human blood cure back for this. Which, meh. I really, really don`t want that. This bs annoyed me with Crowley enough last year. Find something else, writers. Hopefully, they have at least stepped away from the trials. I`d HATE it if that nugget came back.

There is a Jared press room interview (can`t find the link right now) where he says that for once you see Sam be fully human and do stuff to other full humans you wouldn`t expect. He also specifically mentioned the role reversal that so far Sam has been the one touched by the Supernatural while Dean has been the human guy and now their roles are switched. So, demon blood is SO out to me. Thank God. Personally, I loved the clip for that reason. That for once, it`s not the usual "Sam is the goal" and Dean is solely the "brother of".. For the first time in the entire history of the show, it is the other way around. Sure, some themes are the same but I waited for this flip for nearly ten freaking years now so I see this as the most original stuff they have done on the show since introducing the angels in Season 4. Now maybe (possibly) they will screw it up as badly but if it were one more Season with Sam having some supernatural specialness and Dean being just the chaser-of-Sam, I might have eaten my own arm in frustration.

I don`t think they even give the earlier Seasons much thought. Least of all wardrobe-wise. Darkish colours and especially black are just easily associated with "evolness". It used to be a running joke on such shows as Merlin or even Smallville - everytime Clark was on Red K and therefore "evil", he was out of the primary colours and in dark ones. For me, it`s still better than white which I find even lamer. Lucifer used to be a big ole drama queen and this horrific suit with the penny loafers still gives me the creeps. It was atrocious. I hope Demon!Dean wouldn`t be caught dead in such a thing. So to speak.

I`m happy there is some wardrobe change for Demon!Dean. In fact, I would have loved the costume department showing a bit more creativity. Granted, leather pants and stuff might have raised cries of "Angelus rip off" but still jeans and plaid would have been that much lamer.

Last year at Comic Con he looked ready to die of boredom because he just had nothing to talk about for his character. And in all the early interviews that followed when Jared went on and on and on over his, as he called it, "wet dream of a storyline", Jensen had a completely vacant look in his eyes. I don`t know what he was but that was the farthest from happy and excited I can think of. Compared to the Comic Con pre-Season 4 where he was practically vibrating with excitement or pre-Season 8 where he was jumping in joy over Purgatory. I believe pre.Season 6 and 7, especially 7, he didn`t look thrilled. I mean "domestic Dean" and "guilty cheerleader nursemaid" are the only two "stories" where he openly came out later and said he didn`t like them. So, I do see a significant level of change there for the various pre-Seasons. This time he appears happy. And I would say not unhappy with the character trajectory either.

No, I meant, it wouldn`t be all that much harder for him now either, even with demon-hood. As much as that whiny guy back in the Wishing Well episode annoyed me, the one who kept the girl of his dreams as his wish-sex-bunny, he did have a point when he told Dean and Sam in the end that they had it easy on that score. It`s still a crap argument "wah, wah, because I`m not hot like you, I can only use magical roofies" but there is truth in it. If regular Joe/( possibly regular Jane) acts like an asshole, they will not "score for the most part. If someone looking like Jensen Ackles does, they still have good chances. Might be unfair but there it is. I agree that this being a little CW show, it won`t go too far. I mean, I`m hardly expecting "`Fifty Shades of Winchester" here. Though, heck, in its own way that is tame as hell. Spanking, the new epitome of sexual deviousness. Or something. Also agree on the hype of the show often not matching up the show. Not in the least. They did surprise me last year with not giving the Mark over to Sam, stat or something like that so I remain hopeful that this time Jensen - who appears enthusiastic and excited in the interviews - won`t have a reason to lose that like two episodes in.

http://tvline.com/2014/07/23/supernatural-season-10-spoilers-demon-dean-crowley-sam/ Another Jensen interview. Looks like at least demon!Dean will be having fun, fun, fun. I`m sort of expecting unfiltered hedonism. He shouldn`t have any trouble landing dates, demon or not. I had no trouble with how he acted with Suzie. Didn`t think he was an asshole at all. She was a grown woman, they had consensual sex with no pretense of a relationship to follow or "I love you" beforehand so they acted accordingly. That, to me, is what a one-nighter is. If either party afterwards has problems with it, tough luck for them. Too often in movies/TV shows they have women mostly but men too here and there have sex like adults but still act like kids about it before and after. Or outside characters comment on it in ways that makes me think they can`t be talking about adults. Bugs the hell out of me, especially the depiction of women since I find this kind of insulting.. . What I`m expecting with this new girls, if they have indeed a "fling" is that he will be a "jerk" to her but she will sass right back and then they land in the sack. I have no trouble believing soulless!Sam was an asshole to women and yet we got flashbacks showing how they lined up for the boinking. The vampire characters on both Vampire Diaries and Originals can be huge assholes and yet have no trouble getting some. If that is played as a woman going "well, your personality is nothing to write home about but you are one hot piece so shut up and be a good roll in the hay", I`d like it. Because I actually think that is empowering. . Can I unraise my hand? Because while Dean doesn`t hold to his former attitude, neither does Sam. When Dean did the shady thing, he got the "you are a selfish coward, you never did good in your life and certainly have never sacrificed something of yourself EVER" generalization speech in the Purge. So hey, if that is how Sam judges such behaviour - and by the person he made Dean out to be, becoming a demon would be an imporvement - then it`s equally rich of him to go ahead and do it himself and claim it`s the best thing since sliced bread. What they need to find is common ground on the matter. Which doesn`t even mean that both need to adhere to one philosophy but each one has to choose theirs and the other has to accept what is chosen or say they cannot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoz5UthLPAE&feature=youtu.be An interview with Jensen on the matter of Demon!Dean. I don`t know this kinda makes it sound like demon Dean won`t exactly be hunting and skinning puppies and adorable toddlers. Maybe he`ll still "hunt", just other demons/monsters etc. The most I can gather from it is that he will be seriously mean and an "asshole". And very devil-may-care. But it doesn`t sound like much of an angst-fest will follow even. Jensen said that demon Dean won`t do stuff that make him feel like all good things have been erased. I take that to mean no serious moral lines will be crossed. We`ll see. On the matter of flashbacks, I tend to love them if done well. Highlander fan here though they made narrative sense there. But telling the stories in flashbacks in Season 8 was just a lame cop-out because they were too chicken-shit to separate the brothers back then. Here, I don`t know. Time jumps can be iffy but if they are done, then I assume that everything that was "jumped" wasn`t important enough to linger there so don`t bother me with freaking flashbacks. Do a montage or non-linear storytellng or whatnot but "oh, wait, you might have wanted to see this scene, too, huh?" is silly IMO. I`m just interested in how Dean`s story and character will be handled. As a demon and afterwards. I want growth and if demonhood helps him finally overcome his baggage, then fine.

Would Dean Winchester please report to the character assassination desk? Repeat, Dean Winchester, please report to the character assassination desk immediately. You know I don`t have a problem with dark arcs, depending on the show I have no trouble buying redemption for characters who have gone on killing sprees etc. But these writers? Will most certainly fuck it up. Was it necessary to keep harping on how Demon!Dean is Dean and nothing but Dean? Which, no, he won`t be. He isn`t HUMAN-Dean, that`s the whole point. If nothing distinguishes him from human-Dean, then there will be no storyline. Something HAS to make him different as a demon therefore how he acts as a demon can never be completely synonymous with how he was a a human. Also, they could throw out buckets of whitewash previously on other characters but now what, the story is all out when it`s Dean? There is a shortcut to make me utterly hate characters and unevenly applied whitewash is it. Also, this ridiculous assumption that it is really also his fault. At the very least, did Crowley not play a very important final part? Them not acknowledging Sam`s douchery playing any part in the dissolution of the relationship is expected. And I can only shake my head at "he pushed away Sammy". Carver really does seem to see the character as the bouncy bouncy baby of the scenario. Little Sammy. Who is too small to be besmirched with responsibility. .