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I had to lol that everyone thought Simon was hooking up with Elias. At first I was like...offensive much thinking that the 2 gay recruits are hooking up but then you realize everyone at this academy is doing that so it makes sense. But talk about missing signs. They're all supposed to have amazing deduction and observational skills and they never picked up that Simon & Elisa don't seem to get along at all. And that note Elias left signed xoxo lol. I'm on board until we solve the mystery.

Welcome cn0te. Netflix is how I got into the show as well. I had always wanted to watch it but never got around to it and eventually was like 4 seasons behind lol. That's the great thing about Netflix you can catch up pretty quickly. But I did spoil myself a fair bit with season 6.

I don't really do ships with this show except this one. Like why did they never go there? Matt probably got it worse than Bonnie in the love department. After Caroline most of his other relationships were given minimal focus and attention. At least Bonnie/Jeremy got some development. It's like you said though for some reason whenever Kat/Bonnie had great chemistry with someone the show separated them. After those great moments in season 1 Bonnie and Matt really didn't share any meaningful scenes until like season 6! I foolishly took that to mean they were setting up Batt for season 7 but clearly they are not. The prospect of Bozo is really dimming my interest in this season. I'm just dreading it. Which isn't a knock against MM. I think he's great and I feel like he'll work with what he's given. I just think getting with Enzo goes against who Bonnie is. The time in 1994 didn't change her that much. I suppose something in this future jump does but I still won't buy it. It just seems like lazy writing. Like they said we can't put her with Damon even though a lot of people want that. Let's just put her with the other 'bad boy' on the show. Blah.

I always chalked this up to the fact that TVD has been criticized for how it handles POC so they corrected it on The Originals. TVD's track record is horrendously bad. And I totally get your earlier post about wanting Bonnie to have someone that wants her above all others. I think I've just made my peace that that isn't going to happen though. I'll settle for her being written as capable and smart. I'm just going to handwave away whatever horrible relationship they stick her in now.

Oh I agree I just think the points you raise are there because the show is doing a bad job explaining or showing his motivations. I guess he's a lover scorned type but it certainly doesn't paint the character in a good light to be that petty and now that he's the only real gay character on the show that isn't such a great thing to do. And yeah what was with that last bit of his speech about being with men recently. I mean we get it he's gay. That line was just so clunky. As a gay man myself if I were berating someone for pretending to be gay I'd go with the first 2 things he brought up, the bullying and fighting for equality. I don't see how sleeping with a man recently factors in. I also couldn't tell if he was implying he had slept with Max while Simon was out or not. Re Rick Cosnett. He was actually wonderful on The Flash. He also played a rather fey evil Dr on the Vampire Diaries and was nowhere near as weird as Elias is. The mannerisms and voice seem to be very much an Elias thing. So either the character is calling for that or the writing & directing are doing a poor job fleshing out the character. I'm thinking it is the latter because he's a good actor.

I will be joining you there. I am desperately hoping that is one of the things that does not come true this season. I'm pretty sure this is the last season and I don't want her ending it with Enzo. For me personally Bonnie was the reason I got into the show albeit much later than when it started airing originally. I love the character & KG. The Bamon stuff is nice and I enjoy it as a progression for her character but my interest in her was never dependent on that.

This I agree with 100% and I wasn't trying to say otherwise. I just meant Elena was the common ground for both of them. But I think season 6 did a good job showing that their time alone in the prison world let them develop their own friendship. The phone calls and one on ones they had once Bonnie came back were proof of that. I loved Lucy! She seemed badass and capable. I wanted to see her again but then I was also glad she never appeared because witches on this show usually always meet an untimely end. It was nice to see her one up the vamps in season 2 because usually they always win. I've never understood why witches don't just up the power of their mind spell and just kill the vampire before they use super speed on them. doram thanks for that info re Plec. That's all very disappointing to hear. I'm glad Kat was at least able to talk her out of it.

My take on Elias especially after this episode is that he's just smitten with Simon. He admitted he was hitting on him in episode 2. All that digging now seems like he was doing it because Simon rejected his advances and attempts at conversation. That's also the only way I can explain how he so easily dropped his suspcisions, or seemed to, the moment Simon showed him a bit of vulnerability. Plus he seemed jealous watching Simon and Raina together in the hallway.

I never knew this! Did she actaully say that? Though it wouldn't surprise me. Her dislike for the character is sadly very obvious. I can't figure out why either. Kat seems like she's great. So glad it didn't happen since season 6 was a good one for Bonnie overall. I agree about Bamon not being friends without Elena. Damon's relationships with the witches he has known were been terrible at best. Without Elena he'd probably just be using Bonnie for something with threat of violence or harm to someone she cares about. They needed her as that bonding point. Which isn't unrealistic. A lot of friendships start out that way thorugh mutual association.

I don't think anyone does. The most positive response I've seen to it is very mild interest. Everyone else seems to hate it. It's too late in the shows run to try this IMO. I think I can count on one hand the amount of times the 2 have shared a scene together and they were all random scenes with little to no substance.

The Bonnie/Elena friendship is my favorite Bonnie relationship on the show. I always wished the show focused on the friendship between the 3 girls more. Elena's final scene with Bonnie was so sweet. And it was really touching because given what had happened it really was their final scene since Bonnie will for certain be dead when Elena wakes up unlike Matt or Jeremy who may just be very old. I thought both actresses knocked that scene out. I doubt the show lasts more than this season but I would be curious to see how Damon and the others would feel if Bonnie wanted to extend her life. We know witches can do it. Didn't that witch from that bar in the 20s do it? I don't watch The Originals but have they ever said how long a witch can prolong their life?

They should have put her with Matt IMO. There is actual history there. But Bonnie and Caroline have always gotten the leftover relationships as far as focus and execution go. It's gotten better for Caroline with Stefan. But Bonnie has always just gotten whatever. Plus you know with this 5 year jump they won't even try to build it up. We'll just be expected to buy that they are together. Hopefully it will get as much focus as Bonnie/Jeremy aka no focus so those of us who hate the idea can just pretend it isn't happening.

I think Bamon has the support it does because of the chemistry Ian & Kat have in scenes together. I'm fine with them being BFFs with no romantic possibilities though. I think it would be altering the character of Bonnie to have her want to be with Damon given Elena's current state. If Elena had just moved on from Damon that would be different. Bonnie's always been one of the more principled characters on the show and wouldn't ever go there especially with Elena still alive and kind of together with Damon. I'm just miffed that the show once again just throws together someone for Bonnie with no real build up or history. Bonnie/Jeremy was basically that and it's why I could never really get into it. You felt like the show didn't really care so why bother caring as a fan? It's why I was pretty sad they nixed the idea of Kai. They've reformed so many villains in this series and there was so much potential there between the two of them. Even though it would have been pretty twisted if Bonnie forgave him. It was nice to actaully see someone fall for Bonnie first for a change. Hell they could have at least explored Bonnie/Matt. The two of them have shared a lot of similar experiences because of their vampire friends. It would have been nice to see them both ride off into the sunset together at the end and have a failry normal life. Plus Matt has always also gotten the short end of the stick as far as relationships go. But I'm a bias Batt shipper since like season 1. It just would make so much more sense than And I can't figure out why they won't go there other than that Plec doesn't think someone like Matt would go for someone like Bonnie. And I'm trying to say that as PC as possible because I don't want to accuse her of anything like that but her track record is.....