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Lame.

Sutton can't even think fast enough to defend herself well. What makes anyone think she's capable of quick witted commentary that would fit the task in the moment about someone else and about something no one even thought would come up? Also, I know Garcelle has chimed in on some occasion but Sutton actually DOES have to go it alone too. It's not too much to expect Garcelle to handle the others on her own. I would think Garcelle would be better equipped to shut these girls down but I guess she's not. It says a lot about what she HASN'T had to put up with over the seasons. Yeah, she's had a few strong issues happen and topics she had to address but she's never been ambushed the way Sutton has and I hate the pile ons but at the same time it's a part of the show and it seems Garcelle seems to think it's not supposed to happen to her. I dislike what went down but for the life of me I'm waiting for Garcelle to shut them all down and check these bitches however it's been clear for some time now that she doesn't have the chops. Which is fine of course but Garcelle should be able to fight her own battles. Of course it would have been nice for Sutton to pipe up but again that girl doesn't even know how to defend herself well so is it really a surprise that Sutton didn't have the instinct to speak up?

Yeah, not to me though. Exactly. I think that's what I couldn't really put my finger on it all this time and why I've always been just okay with Garcelle and not that impressed with her even though I've wanted to be. I guess that's why I got the fake vibe. I got nothing against Garcelle wanting to tread lightly with her position on the show but it just screams cornball to me. LOL.

Well I have some serious ride or dies and Garcelle doesn't cut it for me. Totally not trying to spin Garcelle into some villain but I'm just not that impressed with how she goes about some things regarding Sutton and their friendship. That's all.

You know I haven't actually been completely sold on this either. Exactly. Garcelle is least mean to Sutton and I guess all my posts lean in the direction that Garcelle seems to be playing a role and not as close of a friend as we all think. I like to think that Garcelle is genuinely nice and can be friends with Sutton and wouldn't actively try to target her but at the same time, over the seasons she at times really does look like someone who is not that comfortable being associated as Suttons friend if that makes sense. I like that she choose for the most part not to turn on Sutton over the years but I have noticed her on occasion try to have more of a connection with the other women by trying to make it clear that she recognizes Suttons missteps. However, that hasn't been good enough for them. Sometimes i think the idea that Garcelle and Sutton are so close bugs Garcelle a bit since it hinders her ability to get closer to the others. I fell like that slight annoyance showed itself a bit stronger this season.

I'm not campaigning that Garcelle is the worst I'm just saying I'm not on board with acting like Sutton has betrayed her by not saying anything. Garcelles lukewarm defense of her doesn't earn her Sutton sticking her neck out when she's already got enough on her plate with them directly targeting her all the time. Also, my post explained what I thought was shady. The fact that not ONCE has Garcelle led the charge on anything and I think this was the first time she tried to come for another and the only reason she even did was because she THOUGHT Sutton would be there to tag team with her. This season made me notice that she really does watch her step and never wants to get messy which I'm not mad at but when her talking head shows us how she really feels it's pretty corny to have to see her go back to her careful manuevering afterwards. I find it shady to ask Sutton to add another target on her back just for the sake of grilling Kyle about Morgan. To be honest that crap isn't even that interesting and done to death last season so I'm not sure why Garcelle has such a hard on for it. I feel, that it was more about getting Sutton to turn on Kyle more than anything else and I didn't like that. At times it seemed like Garcelle wanted to punish Sutton for being so eager to have Kyle's friendship and that's not what friends do. She can disapprove all day long about it, I understand that, but it seemed like this season she actually decided to do something about it in an underhanded way. In all her seasons she's never been eager to put someone on the spot like that. I truly believe that it was more about driving more of a wedge between Sutton and Kyle and less about Kyle sharing about Morgan. Of course I could be wrong but that's why I feel the way I do about Garcelle this season. In previous seasons her lackluster presence were made up for by her funny deliveries, reactions and friendship with Sutton but this season she was a tad dour and kinda seemed like she wanted to slightly distance herself from Sutton a bit so that she can be in a better place with the others. I think what was fueling that decision was her displeasure with Suttons obsession with Kyle. It's the moves that I noticed and that I'm sure others definitely didn't that give me the shady vibe. That and the fact that in one confessional Garcelle actually admitted to staying quiet to prove a point that Kyle ain't a friend. It's Garcelles job to force Suttons hand when it comes to Kyle. That's a decision for Sutton alone to make. Garcelle has every right to be fed up by it but then come right out and say that. Her 3 sentences the night she abruptly left the conversation was minimal, wack and didn't cut the mustard. I don't think they've ever had a heart to heart and it shows.

No she really doesn't and I don't understand what all the references are for cause I'm not a fan of the FFF. So this isn't a defense of them. Sure Garcelle chimes in with a "no that's not true" or a quiet "I don't believe that" here and there and yeah every so often when she has a sit down with any of the other ladies she kinda sort defends Sutton but that women has never ever said anything with her chest. It's always with a giggle and a "whatayagonnado" tone when speaking about Sutton. Over the seasons there's plenty of footage of Garcelles half ass defense which I will say is awesome that she even says anything but I think because of the show and how uncommon it is for anyone to really jump up and strongly defend anyone that Garcelles actions seem so potent. In reality she's very meek in the way she speaks up for Sutton and as much as I appreciate the little she does contribute I don't mistake it for more than it is. I think what bugs me is that I see that she holds back. That she calculates just how hard she'll go for Sutton. She's never truly invested and as much as Sutton bugs and has missteps and puts her foot in her mouth and maybe isn't the easiest person to defend but if that's your friend then I mean..... I'm okay with Garcelle trying to stay neutral sometimes when Sutton steps in it cause I don't expect her to fall on any swords for Sutton but this season Garcelle seemed to expect a certain type of Sutton to show up. I kind of believe Sutton and Garcelle did discuss bringing up Morgan and grilling Kyle but maybe Sutton had a change of heart. That would explain why Garcelle took it so hard when Sutton didn't follow through. I'm okay with the idea that Sutton needs Garcelle for support when navigating the mean girls but I don't think that should translate into Sutton giving support to Garcelle when she wants to maybe turn the tables. To me, I don't think Sutton is really built that way so I don't get why Garcelle would think that would be Suttons vibe and worse why she would be mad that Sutton didn't follow through. If I were Sutton I would have a bit of a pause in that respect. Not to mention that if things go south with the grilling Sutton knows that she would be the prime target in the aftermath. Garcelle isn't one the others scramble to attack so maybe Sutton was resistant to follow through because she knows that when all is said and done Garcelle wouldn't actually be the one to get most of the smoke. It's always Sutton so why create something else for the others to be mad at Sutton about. Sutton has already stuck her neck out on multiple seasons. If Garcelle wants to come for someone go ahead. She just doesn't want to stick her neck out and needed the padding with Suttons support and to be honest that's a cornball move. Sutton jumps in hook, line sinker, full foot in total mouth without thinking about who is gonna have her back. Why can't Garcelle. Now that's the part I find shady. And now we see that she really can't take any heat cause she has bolted from the show. Again, I liked her addition to the show but after a while she kinda falls flat cause she's TOO neutral which is fine with me but she's NOT neutral in her talking heads or when she's speaking with some of the others. Whenever she has had any confrontation she has her little quips and maybe a zinger or two but then it just fizzles and she clams up. I've been waiting for seasons for her to really lay in to anyone and use that clever wit to shut someone up but she's not into it like that. Again, admirable but very lame when you have so much to say in a talking head. She kinda comes across as fake. And if Sutton saw what I saw this season then I'm not surprised she wasn't that eager to jump in and defend.

To be honest some of Garcelles talking heads about Sutton would have bothered me if I was Sutton. Apparently she's not for Sutton being up Kyles ass but at the same time wants Sutton to follow her into some shady behavior. This season kinda sounded like Garcelle expects Sutton to be on board with however Garcelle decides to proceed with the others and I'm sorry if Sutton doesn't agree with it then I don't think Sutton should be obligated. Suttons never asked Garcelle to be mean to any of them on her behalf. Garcelle herself admitted that Sutton not wanting to go after Kyle bugged her and actually framed it like Sutton was shitting on their friendship by doing so. I didn't like how Garcelle tried to make it seem like Sutton respecting Kyle's wishes was some betrayal of their friendship. Yeah, something was a bit different with Garcelle this season and maybe that's why Sutton wasn't too eager to jump in with the sharks to speak up.

Yeah, Garcelle did herself no favors this season. "Teaching your friend a lesson" is never a good look no matter how annoyed you are at them. She's a grown ass women and if you got something to say to Sutton then just say it. I don't believe a real conversation has ever happened off camera based of how awkward what we did see came across and I'm not here for it. Garcelle is ehhh for me and I don't hate her or anything but she's sort of wishy washy and I never liked that. Sutton really is somewhat lost about some stuff and I think her stumbles come from a genuine space of surprise that people really are that mean. I think Garcelle sometimes has a bit of a meanspirited reaction to Sutton and it's kinda corny. I know people like Sutton who can be annoying and who can shoot themselves in the foot and who even choose not so nice company but me, myself and I have decided NOT to get so frustrated with the missteps that I turn on them. I think Garcelles annoyance about Sutton not joining her in her quest to interrogate Kyle and her talking to the girls about why Sutton was mad was a semi cloaked acting out of her frustrations with Sutton. Don't claim friendship if you're gonna, every once in a while, when your nerves are kinda worked, leave your friend hanging or low key give her foes ammo. There was always something a little shady about Garcelle that kept me extra observant about how she moves. Again I don't completely dislike Garcelle but she's always been a bit too loose with the way she handles certain situations. The only time she's ever really put a period on anything with any of them was maybe Dorit. I get playing the game mindfully and I didn't mind it that much but when it affects how she treats her friendship with Sutton is where I get a bad taste in my mouth cause their friendship is supposed to be real so to me that's a very bad look.

By starting with an answer and not an excuse or a lead into an explanation. The last "yes or no" with Kyle was not at all problematic for me. Sutton was correct in wanting a simple yes or no in that instance. I understood her point. First Sutton wanted to know whether or not she WANTED to hear what Kyle had to say cause if she was gonna come in with some on the fence bullshit then Sutton wasn't trying to hear it. And I for one don't blame her for that. These ladies tend to talk in circles with Sutton (minus Erika who just twists things while speaking in a direct tone) and you see Sutton lose the train of thought and get turned around. I don't blame her for trying to streamline conversations with them. The name 'em was another. She was trying to get Kyle to name the grievances before she started blathering about who, what, when and why Sutton should be apologizing. Don't start lecturing me about anything or tell me I need to reflect on XYZ if you can't even specifically tell me what I'm supposed to be sorry for. The ladies lead with what Suttons corrective behavior should be before even confirming what the actual offense is. They just blanketly decide that she needs to be contrite and apologetic because they say so without truly having anything legit to accuse her off most of the time. Suttons trying to cut through the bullshit and get to the point when she pulls that on them and I ain't mad at her for it.

That's how I see it too. She's trying to shut down whatever spin, defelection, derail or misdirection she knows they are about to pull. Especially with Kyle. Kyle tends to blather about, trying to include context and stretch an answer so that the initial point is lost and she can somehow take it down a road that discusses YOUR behavior instead of hers. Sutton knows that it's a classic move and I'm sure Sutton also does it cause she knows, she herself, gets turned around and flustered, ends up fumbling about, answering unnecessary details in a way that end up doing her no favors. These women count on flustering Sutton into putting her own foot in her mouth so that's Suttons way of keeping her eye on the ball and not letting them make the conversation more complicated than it needs to be. These women set up the conversation, deliberately misinterpret and spin the conversations they have with Sutton. This season Sutton has decided to be unapologetically direct (she's been building this approach since the last season or two) but unfortunately she's still a bad reactor and doesn't have the CLEAN, clever wit to handle these interactions with the poise she's so desperately attempting only to come across as ridiculously arrogant with a point that has fallen flat. I ache for her to find the right dose of "don't come for me til I send for you" energy but alas I fear that's but a notion in the wind.

I agree and they actually did a piss poor job of relating the situation. It's hard to speak up for your friend when your not ready to say something with your whole chest. Oh and as much as I love love love Jennifer that was a serious misstep. Garcelle did it too. "Sutton feels........" if you are going to start with Sutton feels whatever, you better follow it with and I actually agree that's also how I saw it. Cause you just basically said Sutton was complaining about them and that's it. Not that you and Jennifer were also listening to her grievances and agreeing and supporting her as well. Not to mention, JENNIFER was the one that felt like the conversation was rehearsed. SHE was the one that voice that particular opinion about how that went down NOT Sutton. When they went and did that they were actually sharing how they felt about what happened and framed it as Sutton's perspective and that's what I mean about Garcelle somewhat muted "support" of Sutton.

I was trying not to reference that but yes Garcelle has made it a point to bring in that detail which I completely understand however some of these conversations can be had without that always being an issue. Mainly with her friend Sutton. I would think she would be able to have a sensitive conversation with Sutton without the tone getting so wildly out of hand that she may be seen that way. I get it during the ridiculous cat fights and name calling and accusations that go one at one event after another but sometimes she does contribute and it goes up in a puff of smoke as quickly as a joint in a Cheech and Chong recreational vehicle. I think she comes across as very calculating at times and not just reserved for fear of being labelled. I think it's in her nature to be somewhat lowkey and well spoken but what i mostly get from that is that she mainly wants to stay out of the fray and avoid getting in the mud. I have nothing against that either but when you want to throw some stuff in the ring and get stuff moving then I'm not a fan of her hanging back while the others start clucking out in the hen house. Oh sure she's give us a blurb and a good facial expression as well as a mocking giggle laugh but she tends to avoid real elaborate exchanges that rise to the level of an actual conversation. Even her conversations have a beginning middle and end that last only a minimal amount of time. There's a precision to the conversations she's had over the years. Basically she's always playing it safe even when she has conflict. I can understand the fear of being labelled but she's already established her demeanor as rather calm and reserved so my opinion is it's more about staying as neutral as possible than it is about being labeled.

I've been Okay with Garcelle since she started the show but she's not necessarily a favorite. She's so limp with her position of things I get very annoyed. Yeah, yeah, great on Garcelle that she's "chimed" in on behalf of Sutton but that's about as strong as she ever is. A chime. Now I don't knock her approach, I get that she doesn't want to come across as sloppy and bothered as the others but damn. She really is very sparse with her contributions. I'm happy she's had Suttons back somewhat but the way she goes after Kyle for not jumping in to defend Sutton is pretty old. And I have to say her saying that she left Sutton hanging just to highlight how Kyle DIDN'T wasn't a good look at all. Also, I'm not to keen on her pointing out that she left her hanging because she chose Kyle a couple of episodes ago. Garcelle really wanted to go after Kyle regarding Morgan and Mo etc. etc. but Sutton said that at some point when someone asks not to bring someone's name up then they need to comply. I wasn't really mad at Sutton for that cause to be honest Sutton nagged her all last season and has decided to back off. Now Garcelle is mad that Sutton "didn't have her back" while quite frankly, trying to be a mean girl cause that's how I saw it. Garcelle is pretty calm and reserved when she makes her points but at the end of the day Garcelle's big grievance was that Sutton wasn't on board to grill Kyle some more? It's kinda lame and reeks of trying to pit Sutton against Kyle when she knows at the end of the day Sutton doesn't really want to do that. Look, I'm all for Sutton getting her head out of her ass and not being so thirsty for Kyle's friendship but Garcelle taking it personally and using it against Sutton isn't it. Garcelle dances around shit too much and doesn't really have a point blank period conversation. The night she stormed out she kinda just went, "oh, okay, noted" and walked off. Garcelle doesn't seem to be as direct or firm when trying to express to Sutton what's really bothering her. Oh, she's discussed it with others and is a little clearer in her talking heads but in her actual conversations she's too minimal and she shies away from just laying it all out on the table. That annoys me about Garcelle. My guess is that somewhere during the reunion she gets called out for that. I mean I could be wrong and they actually have more to the point conversations off camera but the way Sutton reacted to Garcelle walking off saying the next day that that was their first fight leads me to believe that their relationship usually stays on the lighter side and they most likely avoid conflicts or sensitive conversations. I was hoping they had a stronger friendship but friends should be able to be blunt and say things you need to hear even if you don't like it and to me Garcelle never truly says anything with her chest. To Sutton or her castmates. Even during some of the more tense interactions Garcelle is very subdued. I get not wanting to be labeled.... but at the same time some of these conversations can still be had without having that concern.

I had no qualms with my mother (RIP) and loved her. I Didn't have to detach or live in denial. I just was able to see with adult eyes what the realities were with regards to her life as well as mine. I'm not telling people what they HAVE TO do but I just wanted to share my take and what has helped for me. I chose a path that allowed me to shed a lot of unnecessary weight and clutter and allowed me to appreciate the time I had left with her. It doesn't mean that I didn't face a lot it just means that luckily I was able to make sense of it enough to move forward in a positive way. I just know that I'm grateful that I realized that I hold all the power and with that first step the rest followed. It's a feeling that makes you want to share it with others without shame or apology. But I do appreciate your assessment.