Yours Truly

I still think it's crazy how people STILL want to push the narrative that being antagonized, belittled, disrespected in a confrontational and combative manner (cause some of Candiance interactions have been rather nasty and aggressive) is some no biggie, pish posh, shrug away type of moment. YES, the text book response it to be "above it all" but emotions DO have a play in these matters and as "behaved" as everyone EXPECTS people to be that just ain't realistic. People stay stuck on the right and wrong side of it but I personally would rather be on the side that won't have me knocked upside my head because I pushed the wrong button that day. All that righteous support Imma have from people saying that person was wrong to lay hands on me ain't gonna change the fact that now I'm dealing with the pain and humiliation of a huge ugly knot on my head. Like come on now. Lol. My thing is, why are we advocating so hard for people to be aggressively, intimidating and calculating with no remorse or consequence? I can easily say, in the same breath that X was wrong for putting hands and A was wrong for antagonzing. I don't know about anyone else but I feel like the people that go so hard about physical retailiation are those that want to be rude, nasty and mean to people but don't want to have to worry about someone acting out on them cause you know, "I'm only using my words to cut and hurt you." I just can't stand the defense of ugly people, whether they are physical or verbal abusers. Abusers are abusers and I hate the safe haven that is created for verbal abusers when only one side gets the stigma. It's ridiculous all the way around.

I'm honestly glad that Candaice is off the show. I really am not fond of that woman but at the same time I can't stand GEB. Ashley isn't that bad cause her role is as obvious as a costume and to be honest she really doesn't "put her chest" into any of it. Her participation really is superficial and as damaging as some of her pot stirring is I'm never that bothered with her involvement. Now don't get me wrong, she's gotten on the nerves and her indifference to causing trouble is annoying and rude but at the same time since it's par for the course on these reality shows I just can't get myself too worked up about what basically boils down to her doing her job. But yeah, I think one of the main reasons why Candaice gets soooooo much heat from the cast, the viewers, etc. is because she's ALWAYS at a 9. I can't stand Robyn or Gizelle but Candiace and Wendy get on my nerves for other reasons as well. There never seems to EVER be any lighthearted moments with Candiace or Wendy. Even when they are in neutral mode and getting their filming in they OOOOOOZEEE disdain. Not saying they don't have reason to feel how they feel but I mean if you can't even get through filming without sitting their stank faced, pressed and bothered then why even bother? Not saying that the GEB don't have their moments either but this is a show. They are forced to be in the same room on multiple occassions and throughout the season you can FEEL IT through the screen how disgusted Wendy and Candiace are AT ALL TIMES. Candiace doesn't win supporters because she taunts too much. I sorry to say, as valid as her complaints are with regards to the cast it just ain't entertaining TV to see a smirking, taunting, fake unbothered chick, but hella pressed in any segement you tune in to cast member. I'm not saying she should have to play nice all the time but unfortunately if you're choosing to CONTINUE with this toxic set up then it would behoove you to take a sip of the fake keke kool aide in order to get through at least SOME of the filming schedule without it always being about how you're the victim. Now I know it'll probably be said that SHE HAS "played nice" but not really cause in those instances she is constantly making it clear, with her body language, facial expressions, tone and delivery that everything coming out of her pores is pure repulsion for having to be in the same camera shot as the others. It's the air that she's above the show as a whole and it really shows how much she feels above the others (with good reason). It's just not good for the show because it's annoying. If you don't like it that much then girl bye. Which Candiace finally decided to do. Thankfully. Candaice presence is straight condescention for the others and Candiace makes it a point to have that front and center at all times and all it's done is create this heavy atmosphere in every scene. Again, Candiace has EVERY reason to bring that energy cause they deserve it but when it sucks the life out of every filmed scene then it really does drag down the viewing experience. Unfortunately Gizelle manages pretty regularly to have light moments and enjoyable banter throughout the show so it's not always doom, gloom and anger. I do understand that Candiance can't be as lighthearted because she has so much aimed at her regularly but her fake bounce back and fake, lets film face isn't convincing and just doesn't work. I dislike that that's the recipes for these shows but there you have it. Candiace has recognized that she can't play that game effectively and has parted ways as she should.

EXACTLY! Chris was addressing it in a nutshell. He. Has. Never. Met. The. Women. Period! I took that to mean that he has had nothing to do with her. Nothing more needs to be said. Chris wasn't going to customize his response to whatever new drivel Robyn was spouting cause it's all just a bunch of bullshit to begin with so no Chris doesn't need to tailor his responses exactly and specifically to any and all iterations of the rumor Robyn is speaking on. The whole rumor has been thrown away and the GEB haven't gotten the memo. Plain and simple.

I mean the straight audacity of Robyn piping up like that had my jaw on the floor. No this brainless twit did not gleefully try and legitamize the ramblings of some random crackpot who lied, retracted and then claims to have lied about the retraction. This woman has not one iota of sense rolling around in that head of hers. Add the next part where they made it clear that the woman claimed profusely that Gizelle was not involved KEPT my jaw on the floor. Oh, okay she's credible in those parts put not the parts where she retracts her initial allegations. It's the confidence in their attempts that has me all the way dumbfounded. Lord take the wheel!

I found it hella crazy how Robyn and Gizelle took bites out of that ridiculous allegation towards Chris. Robyn pointedly asking Chris about a "photoshopped screenshot" and when Chris shut it down quick because AHEM, Andy's card started AND ended the accusation in one reading because the last sentence mentions the accuser admitting that it was all a lie" the next move was for Robyn and Gizelle to then state the accuser THEN took that back as well as if that meant ANYTHING. But then it gets better when Gizelle says the accuser then goes on to vindicate Gizelle in stating that Gizelle has nothing to do with it. Oh okay so the accuser is believable when absolving Gizelle and retracking her retractment regarding the accusation against Chris but not believable when she admits to lying about the original accusation?? Lord make it make sense!! Sounds to me the accuser just a cray-cray or a plant. Either way the level of weight Gizelle and Robyn try and through on that piece of nonsense information is all kinds of disturbing, distasteful and repulsive. They are just both trash human beings. Period!

Imma sound cold but I truly think that a big chunk of Cat's MO was to play the hurt little bird card as her "in". Cat's a pretty attractive girl and I was actually surprised that she didn't get more attention from the men however this cast has been filled with some rather attractive crew which isn't always the case on this franchise. There is usually a modge podge of "attractive". Maybe one or two "traditionally" attractive then a couple of "eye of the beholder" and then another set of "questionable, depending on the lighting" types. Not this crew. For the most part they are all attractive in a very strong way (although I personally find Ben completely unattractive). I get that he has features that are supposed to be "hot" but he just looks like the wish version of a what's supposed to be a "hot guy". It's like he possesses what is considered attractive traits, but i don't know, It's like each part came from a different "type" of hot guy and then they tried to put it all together and you get word salad but in human form. Anyway, I think Cat was expecting to get some male attention and her quite, shy angle has always worked for her but on this type of boat with such outgoing personalities who are willing to throw themselves into the mix and are up to be the life of the party with no prompting ain't nobody got time to go LOOK for you to hit on when there are three beautiful women already willing and able to party with no prompting. She seemed to remove herself at every outing and every trip to the hot tub. To me it looked like she was waiting for people (most likely the guys) to notice her and make the effort to pull her into the festivities thus making THEM work to include her. Now granted this is definitely a trait that is unfortunate and I'm not taking away how it eventually affected her mental health. I do believe that was real however I do question where it's rooted. I do believe it's made up of insecurities and of course her childhood, don't get me wrong, but there is also an element of manipulation that was completely evident in how she portrayed herself.. Let's put it this way, she had no problem coming out of her shell and trying to check Barbie during that one sit down. That's when I noticed that this chick can turn it on when desired. So, while I do believe that the final product of her being in a poor mental state at the end was authentic I also believe some of it was as a result of not being able to win more attention and interest from the crew (male and female). She kept throwing out SOS's wanting allies and admirers and bff's but found herself the least interesting in a pool of outgoing people and decided that not being pulled into a friend group without really trying was enough to cause her mental distress. Personally, I find that to be a bit much and at risk of sounding could I feel like she did it to herself. I can't help but to feel like some of her episodes came across more like "antics" and little bit like pouting wanting a specific outcome. Anyway I'm glad she's gone cause a reality show isn't the place for someone that needy for attention but then not outgoing enough to garner said craved attention. Bye!

The altercation itself happened between Deborah and K person so the fact that the conversation still swayed over into the famous: "to beat or not beat (Candace), that is the question......" shouldn't have even began but alas...... Anyhoo, I wonder if there will be any more light shed on what has happened in their regard, (Sesame Street and K person), you know like who pressed what charges from what hospital bed and what appointments will be made for all injured parties moving forward. It's going to be interesting who will be the one that had the upper ground in that situation. Not that it matters since it's a whole hot mess all the way around. I guess we will just wait and see.

And some people are willing to take that chance. May seem stupid to some but I sure as hell know not to test the waters when there are so many possible outcomes. It's pretty silly to lean into the text book result being the only result possible when participating in bad behavior. Yeah, sure the right and wrong of it remain the same but the motivating factors carry that much more weight that disrupt the ratio of the RIGHT result being what actually transpires. I love how "pressing charges" is such a battle cry. Okay sure. Press charges from that recovery room while scheduling that follow up appointment and therapy sessions for the trauma. Go right ahead, I guess. LOL The same way the Right and Wrong position thinks it's absolutely foolish to physically retaliate and risk jail and bad publicity The opposite sees the foolishness in risking personal harm and bodily injury for the sake of being meanspirited and hateful using "just" your words. Two sides of the same coin. Ugly behavior is ugly behavior and no one wins.

Well my dislike for Candace is that she also has a very violent nature in these instances that gets overlooked. I can understand and accept the words vs. physical argument. It's when it's used as a cut and dry argument in SOME not ALL of Candace's altercations. I think it's fair NOT to condone the very meanspirited, hurtfulness and downright threatening and aggressive behaviors Candace's has displayed while still pointing out physical violence is not okay. It's the glossing over Candace's very harmful ways that's always stuck in my craw. It is absolutely possible to condemn Candace at the same time as any other party who has behaved badly and the constant acceptance of Candace's nasty hatefulness in the name of "keep your hands to yourself" movement just seems absolutely bizarre to me. Yup, don't put your hands on anyone, but I need the next verse to be and it's also unacceptable to inflict emotional abuse upon others as well. It's the diminishment of importance to one unacceptable act in order to condemn the other is what's always got me baffled. It falls hollow to me. Let's condemn ALL the bad behavior or none at all. I don't think popping Candace in the mouth for the slick shit she says is an acceptable response but in the same token I'm really not going to be broken up about it when it happens. Grown folk can make grown decisions and the aggressor who choose to get physical will deal with their consequences the same way Candace will deal with the consequences of her decisions. Seems fair to me. I mean it is what it is and playing with fire is a saying for a reason.

Thing is, it may sound completely out of the ordinary because lets be honest it is. It really doesn't matter if I still live by the "Talk Shit, Get Hit" mantra cause most people ain't coming across with this trifling ass behavior at this scale on the regular. We aren't encountering these grossly inappropriate and outrageous violations of personal space in the average day. So for those swearing up and done that there are a lot of us making bail on the regular, sorry to bust that bubble. LOL But I will say that it is pretty humorous how often this sentiment creeps up. Some of us express our boundaries and what would be an absolute not in any of these situations. Some of us are also much more honest about it and not trying to present some moral high ground for no reason. Most people will not accept someone in their personal space that its advancing or constantly crossing physical lines during a confrontation. There will be some form of boundary restricting body language which could be in the form of a raised hand in front that can make contact. That's all it takes for a confrontation to turn physical. After that then we're off to the races. Most of these altercations don't just start with an uppercut to the jaw so simplifying it to some random barbaric act on one persons part is just very naive and purposefully obtuse. It's usually a build up of inappropriate behavior all around that includes unacceptable body language and invading personal space with the potential of harm for both parties. My position is that once you involve yourself in a combative confrontation and exhibit aggression and intention to become physical then you are not more innocent than which ever party makes first contact. Point. Blank. Period.

Understood but what I'm talking about is the narrative that Candace ONLY uses her words and that she is NOT physically aggressive because SHE IS. Chris has had to physically restrain her how many times??? Again just because she has never managed to make actual contact in these altercations she's had, doesn't mean she's any better than the one's that do. She's TRIED to so, for me that negates this whole narrative that Candace is a different animal than the ones that actually manage to put hands on. Candace BARELY avoids contact and on more than one occasion has also resorted to physical behavior. She just CAN'T follow through on the act cause either she's getting her ass beat cause they beat her to the punch (literally) or someone has restrained her. The only reason we ain't got pound for pound examples of physical violence to hurl at her is because she just isn't capable of actually following through on her aggression, usually because outside factors have gotten in her way. It's the defense that Candace is above because she uses her words and her words only and she actually doesn't. She's advanced on people and has gone for weapons in the past so I'm just challenging the idea that Candace is NOT violent in any way shape or form. Let's stop pretending that this woman hasn't gotten gully and been down to throw down on more than one ocassion.

It cracks me up on how people want to be all it's just words, words, words like verbal abuse and bullying ISN'T a thing. Look I think that altercation was wack a dack and as much as I can't stand Candiace I have to admit that in that instance she really wasn't engaging at all so that whole pop off was ridiculous on everyone's part. Violence is not okay but the obtuseness that people gravitate to when la-la-la'ing about "it's just words" really do make my eyes roll. And let's be clear, that was CANDACE grabbing a bottle with intention or nah???? Candace isn't a beacon of peace and I'm tired of the one sided criticism. It's okay to take the WHOLE situation into account when sharing an opinion like, for example, i can acknowledging that Candace really didn't do all that much for it to escalate into a physical altercation however I do believe this was really about misjudging how much personal space you fixin' to invade tryna DE-escalate something. That's securities job and Ms. K---- ? can't remember her name was a bit too cavalier in her attempt and ended up the one in the brawl. In this case I don't believe anything truly falls on Candace but lets not pretend Candace does not also position herself as an aggressor as well. The only difference is that because Candace is such a punk ass keyboard warrior and shit talker her aggressive side pales to those who retaliate. So just because Candace didn't make contact with anyone using that bottle she grabbed it's all good? Candace never actually gets a chance to deliver her brand of violence cause she just can't not that she doesn't want to. So all this defense of how Candace just uses her words just amazes me because her actual violent side gets completely ignored. And to be clear I think verbal assualt and verbal attacks are not any better than physical violence. Anything aimed to hurt and harm should be frowned upon. Nasty and meanspirited shouldn't be given a pass just because it "never got physical". A co-worker sending unsolicited nudes isn't physical but is still a violation that is absolutely traumatic and unacceptable so lets stop giving Candace all these breaks just because she never manages to make solid physical contact with her targets.

It's done exactly what Kyle wanted it to do. Just the hint of an accusation and now it's an official speculation that just might have some weight behind it. It's absolutely incredible how this type of thing works. Kinda like the Mandela Effect. That's exactly what these housewife shows thrive on. The Mandela Effect. I've finally got the perfect description of this nasty, hateful tactic used by the worse of the worse on these shows. YUCK!!

Not to say that I wouldn't be interested in NEW drama and NEW developments but if it's always going to circle back to House of HIlton, Big Kathy and the villianization of all three when in reality KYLE is the only one actively on the show then that's where I get a bit tuned out and burnt out. I get speaking on the past in some detail whenever they pop up but it's when it circles all the way back to the beginning with the whole big Kathy, childhood drama and dynamic that I start hearing white noise. I enjoy ragging on Kyle in the here and now. I enjoy ragging on Kyle for all the current bullshit she introduces into the show while she herself is filming. I enjoy focusing on whatever drama creeps up during filming. It really isn't necessary to circle ALL THE WAY back to Big Kathy on the way back when machine just to comment or discuss the current dilemmas we see unfold in the here and now. Yeah sure the past contributes and all that jazz but I mean sometimes the real reason behind Kyle and what happened last episode or last season or season one is that Kyle is a hateful person. Full stop. Yeah, I'm really not a Kyle fan. LOL

I guess the way I see it, the term trainwreck sums it all up. What else is there to pick apart? Plus, throwing around words like narcissist, toxic and all the buzzwords of this generation has just turned into a merry go round of nothing. I get the fascination but after a million years and a billion assumptions along with oodles and oodles of 'life experiences" chiming in, this subject can pretty much be summed up by a series of bullet points. The predictability of the sisters ups and downs has made it numbingly dull so I guess I'm in awe of how it's even still fascinating at all. I mean I'm curious and all about new developments in their lives sure but the master class of armchair psychology regarding Kyle and Co. has completely gone stale to me and it seems that the show is still clasping onto the imagined morsels they think are still on the bone. We've had the backstory for sometime now and Bravo producing Kathy at a reunion for a season she didn't even appear on just illustrates just how much they want to ring out of the "Richards Sister" bone dry sponge. It's such old news at this point I'm hearing the voice of Tom Brokaw echoing in my head. LOL.

The over analytical sensation that is "interpretting the Richards sisters" has RUN ITS COURSE. The many different ways found to describe these women in such unfavorable light is astounding. Now look, I go in on Kyle cause she's still on the show and I dislike her the most of the three. To be honest, I like Kim and have sympathy for her and I still like Kathy and don't find her behavior anything but unfortunate at times and pretty "average unhealthy" if that makes sense. I'm Gen X where all the pearl clutching done now a days makes me roll my eyes and laugh. I think some of it is an overreach and quite honestly I feel the most comfortable judging and speaking on Kyle because we see ALOT of her. And although Kathy is apparently on Paris's show which gives the viewers a bit more of a window I'm just not that interested in forcing a narrative that fits how we are all "supposed" to feel about the woman. House of Hilton also doesn't interest me or gives me anything but another "narrative". With Kyle I've SEEN with my own two eyes for over 10 years what she's about so with her I'm pretty confident in my assessment of her so there's that. Anyhoo, with that said, the way I see it is that Kyle reaps what she sows. I don't give equal weight to the other 2 (Kathy and Kim) because I feel like they have their roles, I won't deny that, but I've found that, in my eyes, the role Kyle CHOOSES to play is the most sinister of the three. Sorry, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I am so over seeing Kyle's "sister dynamic" as anything but unfortunate. The dramatics over toxic this toxic that, unhealthy this and that and the other just gives them ALL the attention they crave. Kathy can be mean. Big whoop. Kyle is nasty and cruel, well mean girls usually are. At the end of the day I feel sorry for Kim the most because this cruel dynamic and one upmanship actually morphed into a life threatening addiction whereas for the other two they are just stuck in their "I want what I want" selfish bubbles. I can validate the childhood traumas that turned them into these characters but I can no longer (well I never did cause diagnosing is not my thing) diagnose them with anything other than life. These are the people they are and they have chosen to manuveur in these detrimental ways. Ehhhhh, whatever. I've seen worse.

She really wasn't which was sooooooo strange. Have they ever done that to that degree before? I mean I get not getting everyone in the shot when focusing on one or two wives talking but even in shots where they were just sitting there listening to Andy rattle off a question she was omitted from the shot. It just seemed so deliberate and noticable.

But, but Sutton is loaded!!! We have to minimize everything she's been through, going through, trying to do because she's got a ton of cash!

She didn't take all his money though so he still had plenty left over to make her life very stressful. Even strong independent women would have be absolutely distressed if they were faced with more court battles. I don't understand anyone who would actually think having to deal with something like this as no big whoop and not at all emotionally draining and upsetting. But I mean, hey. We do have Kyle who thinks nothing of outing her sister as an alcoholic while watching her other sister sink under accusations of racism and otherism, and film her children during emotional family discord, minimizes miscarriages, and suicide deaths of family members.. So I guess to some Suttons troubles weren't really troubles.

OMG, see how the misinformation snowballs because a false narrative is shoved down our throats? You are correct! Garcelle described the gift as a "I messed up gift" and proceeded to give an example of cheating.... (or did she?) now I'm a bit uncertain if Garcelle even used that example of if she just said when a husband messes up and wants to make up for something.. See how that happens. Someone mentioned a "cheating' scenario as a reason and now I've assigned that to Garcelle but now I'm not so sure. I will say Sutton was very ON this season and it looked like she's finally got a good handle on how the show operates and what her role as a housewife is. She was aiming towards something relevant which was Kyle's changed behavior. I don't think she was necessarily "going after" Kyles marriage in particular but was trying to get at whatever it was that was amiss in her life because it was painfully obvious to everyone something was up. Whether it was just a midlife crisis or even something bigger the goal of the show and the women on it is to bring out the truth about each others lives while the cameras are rolling. Some of them take it to a cruel space but for the most part the whole point of the show is to be intrusive and overstep boundaries so that we can get the tea. Point, Blank, Period. I don't think Sutton inquires where at all ridiculously intrusive. Just intrusive enough to meet the requirements of the show. The likes of Kyle, Rinna, Diana and now 5.8 are the type that think that being inappropriately hurtful, reckless and cruel is the way to get that particular job done and most of the viewers DO NOT APPROVE! I do like Sutton but regardless of that I don't believe she did anything outside of what is expected of any housewife during the course of filming and Kyle trying to villianize her for taking a pretty mild approach to the job description when Kyle chooses to throw her whole family and friends under the bus in order to achieve this goal is just astounding to me.

That weed dinner she spoke with Sutton in the library and when they were at the table Kyle was the one pushing for Sutton to ask/say something. Kyle was dying to bring it out and BLAME Sutton for it and Sutton didn't fall for it however it still managed to come out due to some corny back and forth interaction amongst a few other chiming in , I can't remember who and exactly how. Funny enough, what I thought would happen did happen and Kyle is STILL running with the narrative that SUTTON was bringing stuff out about her marriage and the little bit of conversation they did have at that table wasn't SUTTON'S doing. Kyle gave her ridiculous "explanation" and Sutton accepted everything she vomited out. Wasn't it Kyle who was babbling stuff at the table to someone "under her breath" I think updating on Dorit maybe? on the conversation she just had with Sutton or whatever, then Kyle started riling herself up, then went after Sutton to come out and ask and Sutton refused then Annemarie jumped in and asked something along the lines of "what the hell are we suppossed to be asking about" and that's when GARCELL said "about her marriage". Kyle finally got someone to take the bait and even AFTER that Sutton kept saying okay I'm good, you're explanation is good enough for me pass the salt.... and yet here we are at the reunion and Kyle staying on script is still referring to that dinner as if SUTTON was the one that brought it up at the table. And speaking off they show the clip of Sutton on WWHL and it clearly shows ANDY bringing up Suttons $300,000 alimony and all she says is (as she shifts a bit uncomfortably in her chair) umm, yup... So why would he even set that up as a question about her bragging? Like this is the part that infuriates me because they really do MAKE UP a whole different version of what has ACTUALLY happend, what we see ON FILM and with our own eyes. It's absolutely ridiculous.

And apparently he had an idea of what HE wanted cause she shared that the initial conversation started off with him telling HER that her and their son would be moving to London along with him. So yes, I can understand why there was some panic on her end especially after we now know she never really pushed back on anything with him even after the divorce. She's played a very passive role in their relationship during and after marriage so citing "her rights" as a parent and independent person isn't so cut and dry.

THIS!!! Especially the bolded.

This sounds like exactly what they are doing. It's a business move and although I will say there are probably real and true emotions involved Kyle is used to cover ups and keeping mum. I mean she's constantly told us over the seasons that her mom/family just DID NOT air dirty laundry and that was one of the worse things to do. She's made it a point to describe it as something that has been detrimental to HER mental health over the years little by little setting up the stage to ALLOW her to out her sisters and whomever else she felt the need to expose whenever she deemed fit. I think the angst might be a bit real but only because she's truly panicking because of course any type of revelation about her, Mo and the marriage will definitely affect REAL LIFE reputations and jeopardize business. Yes honey, there's a reason why it ain't a bad idea to keep some shit to yourself and not feel the need to blast it all over the world. Oh, now Kyle seems to understand the relevance of not putting everyone business out there ALL THE TIME and maybe being discreet about things. Kyle is doing her damnedest to minimize the fallout because she's always understood the gravity of things like this spilling into real life and how it affect so many other things. It only matters now because it's her life possibly being disrupted. She's is such a reprehensible person. I'm just not understanding the timeline though because I thought filming wrapped so why would bravo cameras be allowed to extend a filming period and set up cameras during their off season? So what it was close after filming ended. I just don't get how that works.