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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    2 minutes ago, redpencil said:

    If you're on the West coast, you had a separate West-coast only segment while the rest of us had local news. The rest of us only saw the cross-country ending one time. That's why you had to watch it twice.

    But I'm NOT on the West Coast. I'm in Arizona, which is still on Mountain Standard time until next month.

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    Alpine Skiing

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    I cannot believe the results of that bronze medal run in the mixed team parallel slalom. Norway had the faster course for three of the four runs. There was no way the US was going to beat them. In what universe is that even remotely fair? 😡

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    · Edited by legaleagle53

    I echo the sentiment regarding the Norwegians as hosts. I vividly remember when Dan Jansen won his only medal (Gold) in Speed Skating. The Norwegians practically adopted him as one of their own, and they cheered for him as loudly when he won as they would have if he had won for Norway. I've NEVER forgotten that moment!

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    Coverage (NBC and other networks)

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    2 minutes ago, tracyscott76 said:

    LA maybe, but I'm not sure Paris and Milan-Cortina are actually more US-friendly in terms of time zone, at least for a typical 9 to 5er on the East Coast (i.e. me). 6 hours ahead means it will be 11pm/midnight over there by the time I get home from work, so everything will be over. With PyeongChang, Tokyo, and Beijing, their day was just getting started right at prime time. So I'll actually get to see FEWER live events in 2024 and 2026 than I did the last three Olympics, at least during the week.

    And that's not really a complaint; that's the way it works and I don't expect them to cater to my schedule every time.

    It looks as though Salt Lake City may host in 2030, so there's that, too. But I was under the impression that SLC wanted to hold off until 2034 for some reason.

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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    1 minute ago, Lady Whistleup said:

    Ok so my mom follows Chinese language news outlets and apparently in China the reporters are not fond of Nathan Chen? They think he's a bit arrogant and are dismayed he doesn't speak any Mandarin. I'm actually shocked he can't either -- I grew up in a Chinese American household and have no idea how I'd communicate with my mom if I didn't speak Mandarin.

     

    Not everyone grew up with the "cultural pride" mindset. Many immigrants decided once they came here that since they were now Americans, only English would be learned and spoken in the home. I know many people whose parents in fact strictly forbade them to learn the ancestral language for that very reason!

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    Coverage (NBC and other networks)

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    2 hours ago, gingerella said:

    I refuse to pay for Peacock so I was concerned going into this Olympics that I'd miss out on a lot of stuff, and NBC felt like a cheap two-but hooker trying to get us to buy into Peacock to see 'more'. But what I've found is that having access to both NBC and USA Network has allowed me to watch pretty much everything I wanted to see, but the difference is it all feels very disjointed, unenthusiastic (from NBC, not the athletes or commentators), and I am seeing replays of everything over and over and over again. For instance, yesterday I think they replayed the Men's Ski Half Pipe like 4 times? Every time I thought it was something new the way NBC led into it, but then I'd see it and realize it was the same event for the 3rd or 4th time. And the channel info lists it as "NEW" or "LIVE" programming when it was taped the day before and the live feed is like 24 hours old. It's like people with no experience in broadcasting an international even are at the control. In contrast, the Tokyo Summer Games were being shown on like 5 or 6 different channels on my cable directory, and I was taping and watching shitloads of stuff and it wasn't being regurgitated multiple times like this Games has been. I just hope this isn't a harbinger of Games to come and it's just an unfortunate set of circumstances that has led to this.

    I wouldn't worry about this being "a harbinger of Games to come." The next three Games will all be held and broadcast from time zones that are more US-friendly (Paris 2024, Milano-Cortina 2026, and Los Angeles 2028; no word yet on who's hosting in 2030). The temporal logistics that made these Games (and the Tokyo Games last year) so problematic won't surface again until Brisbane in 2032. Hopefully, the technology will have improved by then to the point that it won't be more than a minor inconvenience for the US or any other country.

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    Figure Skating

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    4 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

    But certain sports (cycling, track, swimming) you pretty much have to assume everyone dopes. Usain Bolt, Michael Phelps, Alyson Felix ... I assume they are all doping to one degree or another. There are no "clean" athletes in certain sports. 

    Now I'm curious. Are there any sports where you WOULDN'T just make a blanket assumption that everyone is doping? Curling, maybe?

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    Coverage (NBC and other networks)

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    I don't mind shelling out a few bucks a month for Peacock Plus. It's worth it to have access to all the extras anytime I want them. Not just the Olympics (and the upcoming Paralympics), but all seasons of shows like The Office and Superstore as well as original series and movies.

    And no, I am not employed by NBC or related to anyone who is! 

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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    9 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

    ETA:  I think that actress Elizabeth Mitchell looks like the Russian coach. 

    She totally does, and she can play the stone-cold bitch villain, too!

    But back to the pairs Free Skate. How did the American teams do? I know we weren't expected to medal, but it sounds to me as though we managed some very respectable top-ten finishes, particularly K/F. And that makes me very happy indeed, if true!

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    Figure Skating

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    Something else I've noticed as I've been watching the pairs competition is how slowly so many of these pairs are skating. I'm starting to see what everyone is talking about with regard to speed as a deciding factor between the lower-tier teams and the medal contenders.

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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    19 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

    Like some others have said, maybe we should have separate categories for ladie's figure skating:  Artistic with no quads (triples max.); and Athletic with quads and whatever the hell else they want to throw in there.   It's like having Rhythm dance for pairs, a more artistic form of skating, and then pairs skating where you can throw your partner into the air and across the rink!!  I love both kinds of pair skating.  

    Pairs figure skating and ice dancing are two separate and distinct disciplines within figure skating. I mean, I get what you're saying, but your example is inaccurate as an analogy to what you're proposing.

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    Figure Skating

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    4 minutes ago, Avaleigh said:

    Could be. If nothing else, he probably isn't supportive of a narrative that he perceives to be anti Russian. He probably sees Kamila as being a victim of the Western media in addition to being a victim of Eteri's.

    And he probably agrees with Sasha that she, not Anna, should have won gold for having the more technically difficult program. Remember his hissy fit over the fact that Evan Lysacek beat hin for Gold in 2010 without doing even a single quad?

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    Figure Skating

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    18 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

    I am unable to quote The New York Times directly, but this is from another article about that article.  This breaks my heart for Kamila: 

    "International Olympic Committee (IOC) president Thomas Bach said Friday he was disturbed to see the "coldness" of Russian figure skater Kamila Valieva’s coaches toward her following the athlete’s fourth-place finish during the women’s free skate.

    Valieva slipped multiple times during her routine. The 15-year-old skater was clearly emotional as she finished up her routine. Her coach Eteri Tutberidze made it clear she wasn’t happy with the performance as the competitor came off the ice.

    "Why did you let it go?" she was heard asking in Russian, via The New York Times. "Why did you stop fighting? Explain it to me. Why? You let it go after that axel. Why?"

    Bach remarked on the pressure and harsh critiques lobbed at Valieva.

    "When I afterwards saw how she was received by her closest entourage, with such, what appeared to be a tremendous coldness, it was chilling to see this," Bach said. "Rather than giving her comfort, rather than to try to help her, you could feel this chilling atmosphere, this distance."

    And THAT is why it wouldn't have made sense for Kamila to deliberately throw the Free Skate in such an obvious manner. Given the way Eteri treated her immediately afterwards (and before the score had even been announced), why would she deliberately risk bringing Eteri's full wrath down upon her? She better than anyone else knows what Eteri is like and what shes capable of doing when she's pissed off. Kamila may be many things, but a fool and a masochist are not among them.

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    Figure Skating

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    Just now, Daisy said:

    To your second point...I very clearly said that they should raise the age because other events have 13-15 year olds competing (and abiding by WADA). I'm not sure why you'd ask me if i want an 8-10 year old to compete, when i mentioned the age range that a good chunk of sports allow for senior competition.  if they were doing it for strictly physical safety, then that would be one thing. (I know that was a big reason why gymnastics went from 14 to 16. but that doesn't seem to be the case here. 

    My point was very clear. If we can have 13-year-olds competing at the senior level, why stop there? Why not let 8-or 10-year-olds compete at the senior level if they're that good? Why make them wait an arbitrary number of years when they're good to go now talent-wise? 

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    Figure Skating

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    1 minute ago, Daisy said:

    i also have to say - i really hope they don't raise the age limit. I think if you are talented enough to compete at the senior level - you should have that chance. I just think of the other Olympic sports where 13-14-15 year olds can compete (some in judged events). i don't think people should have their moment taken away from them simply because they were born too early. 

    There's a difference, though. Those athletes can't rely on the "protected person" technicality to let them get away with doping in blatant disregard for the rules. If Kamila had been 18, she'd have been O-U-T, no question about it. But because she's a minor, she can't be suspended under the current rules.

    And how low do you want to go?  Should we let 8-or 10-year-olds compete at the senior level just because they're insanely talented for their age?

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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    7 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

    Ok another observation: I can't think of another sport where there's such a disconnect between practice wear and competition wear.

    If you look at skaters in practice, they live in warm hoodies and black leggings. In competition, they are wearing dresses held together by illusion fabric and the bedazzler.  I wonder if the judging would be fairer if there was like more of a uniform standard -- skate in some sort of uniform.

    That would never work, because artistry is still a part of the sport, and that includes the costuming, which is supposed to be coordinated with the music and the expression as part of the artistic presentation.

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    Figure Skating

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    · Edited by legaleagle53

    32 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said:

    Shocking to me but I enjoyed Davis/Smolkin's FD despite that wretched music.

    I thought he looked a little shaky on a couple of those lifts. I'm surprised they scored ahead of the Finns, who opened with what I thought was an incredibly difficult rotational lift sequence.

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