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I'm just going to copy and paste a reply I made on another board as I don't really have anything different or new to say from what I said there :-) Grieve all you want Daphne, self-destruct, don't self-destruct, whatever, but keep your hands to yourself. No, really. Keep your hands to yourself. And of course, no remorse, no I'm sorry, or a later realization that she crossed a line in shoving Bay. Nothing. But, it's Daphne. When has she ever apologized for anything to Bay? And she's acting all hurt about Nacho bringing a girl around? Did she really expect that to turn into a relationship? I thought she knew exactly what she was doing when she decided to pursue that. Nacho too. I didn't know she was looking for that to be a real thing. As for Emmett and Bay, I just think at this point they just want to be together. Wherever that is. Yeah, they're just teenagers and decisions shouldn't be made based off of a high school romance, but Bay and Emmett have shown they are, and I think the show has presented them as, more than just a teen romance. They are the real deal in terms of how they feel about each other and wanting to go the distance with each other. Whether or not it works in the end is one thing, but why shouldn't they try if that's what they want? Life often takes people down different, unexpected paths. If this is something they want to seriously pursue, more power to them. If Bay had gotten into Pratt, Emmett probably wouldn't be considering going to California as he would want to be at Galludet in DC because it would be closer to Bay in New York. He said himself that he wasn't sure if film was what he wanted to do, so it wouldn't be like he was giving up anything to be with Bay. And Bay isn't giving up anything to go to California with Emmett. She didn't get into Pratt and has no other concrete plans, so Los Angeles offers plenty of opportunities for her as well as Emmett. Emmett getting into USC is just a catalyst for her to take a chance and take advantage of new possible opportunity. She could look at other art schools or colleges in general, or find other opportunities to pursue her dream. I didn't quite understand why the writers had her act as if she doesn't know what she wants to do now as she can still be an artist without Pratt, but maybe her confidence is shaken from getting rejected. I look forward to, if the writers choose to show it, their conversations about all the details such as money, housing, etc. I see people elsewhere freaking out that they didn't have it all planned out in the conversation they had about it tonight, but it's not really a big deal at the moment. That will all come later if they are serious about trying to make it work. It may work out great and it might not, (and I don't think it will because the show isn't going to have the regulars all over the country so something WILL happen, dramatic or mundane to keep it from working out) but it's something for them to consider. It's a different and interesting aspect to the whole what to do after high school dilemma.

I guess I just don't see the two situations as comparable at all. That not liking that Bay was going to dinner with Tank and walking away is on the same level as the whole situation with his parents doesn't compute with me. And it was a bit more complex than things simply not "going his way." It's not as if he was pouting simply because he didn't get what he wanted. If Bay had said she was going to dinner with her parents or Toby or Daphne and couldn't go out with him, his reaction wouldn't have been to pout and stomp his feet that he didn't get what he wanted. He wasn't upset at not getting what he wanted, he was upset that his girlfriend couldn't go with him because she was going to dinner with her ex-boyfriend. The ex-boyfriend last he heard still had feelings for her and was throwing punches at him. It's a sticky situation. At the end of the day, it was a meaningless argument. Tank is no threat to Emmett and he knows that. He's not going to run out and sleep with some other girl like before. I don't think there was anything else left to say. He knew she was going to go so how was that conversation supposed to end? "Have fun honey. Call me when you get back from having dinner with your ex-boyfriend." Walking away was probably best for both as it just would have kept going back and forth. They're still young and figuring out to handle those types of situations. Hardly indicative of some menacing pattern of behavior that Bay needs to worry about. Now if Emmett had gone and had sex with some other girl like before or calling her names or something, then I'd agree, but not in this instance. And the whole thing was contrived nonsense anyway given the fact that Emmett disappeared from the rest of the episode after that. None of that was about Emmett's character at all. The show needed to show mean old Emmett being insensitive to poor Tank's pain and suffering at the hands of that harlot Bay and his fear about meeting his dad. Like I said before, I'm sick of Tank. He's a guest character who should be supporting the main characters, not getting his own story arcs. Tank's actions were much more disturbing to me. Calling names and slamming doors in her face only to have a complete change of heart within the span of an episode.

There wasn't anything wrong with the way Emmett reacted to Bay's news that she was going out with Tank and his dad. Was he supposed to be happy about it? Just because he's acted out in the past (and he was 100% wrong when he was all angry and moody in the past with her way back in Season 1) doesn't mean that he can never be angry or not like something that she says or does again. Anger is a natural human emotion. Mishandling anger in the past doesn't mean you can never be angry again. What's important is how he handles that anger. He wasn't dismissive either. He listened to her explanations as to why she wanted to go, he just didn't agree with them. He's allowed. He didn't call her names, start yelling, stomp off, or slam a door in her face. He didn't even try the cliched jealous boyfriend thing of telling the girlfriend that she wasn't allowed to go. He knows Bay and knew that nothing he could say was going to stop her so the discussion was over. What else was he supposed to do? Lie and say that he was okay with it when he wasn't? Agree to go with them since Bay was claiming that Emmett owed Tank something too? I agreed 100% with Emmett there: leave him out of it. He apologized last week and Tank can decide if he wants to accept that or not. And speaking of owing someone something, Bay doesn't owe Tank anything. She has apologized profusely multiple times for what she did. Again, Tank can choose to accept it and move on or hate her forever, but that's all on him. He doesn't get to mistreat her when she's coming to visit her brother. She should never give anyone that kind of power because they can potentially hold you in their figurative debt forever where nothing you do will ever be enough. Thankfully, Tank's seemingly not going that route. "Angry" and "dismissive" are words that applied more to Tank last night than Emmett. He was the one throwing out insults and false accusations (It is NOT on Bay that he quit the frat. He did that all on his own. No one asked him to). And then taking that casserole dish from her and throwing the door closed in her face? Without letting Toby know that she was there when that was the only reason she was there in the first place? Extremely dismissive. Yeah, Bay cheated, blah, blah, blah. It doesn't give him the right to act like an ass. And Toby really should have given her a head's up. Not ask her permission, but just a "Hey, Tank's staying at my place, so if it's too awkward, keep your distance." I'm really tired of Tank's pain and his permanent status as victim. Yeah, he has the right to be mad, but the one episode earlier when he found out was enough for his character. He's not a character on the same level of Bay who the audience needed to see work through her pain and anger at being cheated on. But last night was the second episode in a row of lonely, drunk, victimized, poor, poor Tank. And he even got a mean daddy this week. Enough. And it seems to me that he's more mad that Bay doesn't like him romantically than he is about the cheating. Just last week he was all "How's Bay?" & "I should call her," but this week he's all mad again. And by the end of the episode he's cool with Bay again and being the one to listen about her medical fears. How's he going to react when Emmett shows up again? Start calling her names again and slamming door in her face? Bay should be more worried about Tank's Jekyll & Hyde personality than Emmett. He has showed this split personality before when he got all enraged because Bay didn't want to sleep with him and when she was telling him about Ty. Tank just seems to be an unhappy person. He didn't seem happy even before he knew Bay, so maybe he should work on that. Hopefully off-screen. Blaming Bay for the current upheaval in his life is not exactly smart either, but understandable if I cared about his character. His life would still be the exact same if she had just broken up with him and not cheated. He still would have quit the frat and everything else that followed would still have occurred. But I guess Bay would still be at fault for not liking him enough. Tank sometimes acts like he's never been dumped before. Is Bay the first girl he's ever been with? Or is he just so awesome that no one ever dumped him before and he was the one doing the dumping.

That was a picture of Laura Marano. Laura is Vanessa Marano's (Bay) real-life younger sister. And the two of them do look like they could be twins. They even sound alike if you ever watch any of their interviews together.

I agree that this show doesn't need anymore new characters, but Leo and Abby make so much more sense as part of the show than Tank. Or Renzo for that matter. Leo can be Kathryn's gay BFF if she must have one. Their scenes were actually quite nice until Renzo showed up and turned it into a circus.

This show really wants Tank to be a thing don't they? Whether he makes sense or not. Why did he need his own "Poor Tank" story tonight? Why should I care? He served his purpose, so why is he still here? Yeah, he got dumped, but I'm not going to care about him as some main character or anything. He's going to be living with Toby now? Whatever . . . The Bay story took a really interesting turn. I'm looking forward to how they handle her dealing with the fact that she may have the same disease as Angelo and her aunt. That was a great use of Vanessa Marano's real-life sister who does look exactly like her. And poor Bay having to explain what happened to Angelo by shouting through an intercom on a street sidewalk. The poor girl looked and sounded like she was going to break down right then and there. Will she tell anyone what she learned? John's "We'll talk later" to Kathryn implied that she told her Dad what she learned, but that also could just refer to the trip in general and the cousin trying to scam them. She needs to tell her parents so they can help her cope and talk to a doctor about her options. Or even if she has the same thing as Angelo and his sister. She may not. Leo will have to be told in order to decide what's best for Abby. The Leo and Kathryn scenes were nice. Renzo was NOT needed at all. But I think Renzo is another character that this show wants to make happen. Speaking of Abby, that scene of her and Bay at the end was just perfect.

Apparently everything on this show involving Daphne is more important than Bay. I don't get why Bay has all the responsibility and fault of having a relationship with Angelo and/or Regina. She's the kid. Both Regina and Angelo know (knew) Bay wanted more of a relationship with them and they could have tried harder and made more of an effort as well. Regina is a lost cause, and I will never think it's okay the way she treats Bay whatever her supposed reason (all excuses at this point), but Angelo could have tried more with Bay as well. Yeah, yeah, Daphne was the daughter he left, but Bay was the daughter he never even knew he had. He could have made a walk across the driveway too. Yes, Bay pushed him away sometimes, but again, she's the 16-17 year old teen. And what about all the times Daphne pushed Angelo away and didn't want anything to do with him in the past two years. She could have told him long ago she needed him to learn ASL for her. Is she going to be held responsible for her actions regarding Angelo and all the time she wasted? Of course not, because Angelo left her and Angelo needed to be the one to step up. That's as it should be, but the same goes for Bay as well. The show did a lousy job of handling Angelo bonding with both girls in the episodes leading up to his death. There's no excuse for him not having at least one-on-one scene with Bay before he died. Bay was excited about him moving in and wanted to have a dinner, so there could have been something with that. Something. Anything. Even the Daphne stuff was rushed. *shrugs* I just will never understand why it's okay for Bay to get less or be treated as less because Daphne didn't have a father figure growing up and Bay did. I guess Bay should have just left when the switch was discovered and let Daphne have the whole family to herself. I mean, she obviously doesn't need any more love and attention from anyone anymore since she had a Dad growing up.

Those are my words and opinion. I'm not trying to twist anything. Daphne can have a relationship with her biological father because she didn't have one growing up, but Bay can't without somehow disrespecting John and Kathryn. Based on that logic, Daphne should not have a relationship with Kathryn since she had Regina in her life as a mother and that would be disrespectful to Regina. John and Kathryn should follow Regina's lead and not try to have a relationship with Daphne since they didn't miss out on having a daughter because they had Bay as their daughter all this time. Same with Toby. He didn't miss out on having a little sister, so what does he need Daphne for? I don't see why both Bay and Daphne can't have both. They can maintain the relationships they had growing up and still create new bonds with these new parents and families that they have. I don't believe it's disrespectful to John and Kathryn for Bay to want to have Regina and Angelo in her life. She doesn't love or appreciate them any less. She's expressed that very idea directly when she's said outright that her parents have been great parents. Same with Daphne wanting to know John and Kathryn isn't disrespectful to Regina. I don't think it has to be either/or. And I believe Bay let go of the idea of Angelo as some perfect father long ago. She had no illusions as to who he was, but at the end of the day he was her father, she loved him, and that's all that matters. No one is blaming Daphne either. It's the adults (and the writers) who haven't handled things well, which is understandable to a point because no one really knows how to deal with their kids being switched at birth. I just take issue with the fact the idea that Daphne "should" get more or "deserves" more just because Angelo wasn't around or because Daphne grew up poor. That isn't Bay's fault. She shouldn't just have to suck it up and accept being looked over and marginalized because Angelo left. That will just create an entire new set of problems for the other child. It isn't Daphne's fault either of course. Although she certainly benefits from the situation.

She really is the pretty perfect princess who can do anything isn't she? She also was the great, magnanimous one who suggested organ donation while everyone else was still in denial. It's ridiculous after three seasons of the same old thing. It's especially frustrating to watch Bay and her development continually get marginalized while Daphne gets all the attention and focus. She's really not that special. I am really going to hate it if the fallout of Angelo's death is all about her. I don't care what happened in the past, Bay lost her father too. John and Kathryn and how they raised Bay have nothing to do with it. A loss is a loss. I also have to disagree that Bay needs any of the parents less. Yeah, she didn't have it as rough as Daphne, or the same personality as Daphne, but that doesn't somehow mean that she doesn't need or want their love and affection any less than Daphne. The switch didn't just affect Daphne. Her dream of Angelo being there when she gave birth proves that he is someone that she wants in her life for all the big moments just like John and Kathryn. Daphne's dream did the same. The idea that Daphne somehow "deserves" more from the parents is troubling. I know the show likes to present Daphne as special snowflake, but she really isn't all that special. She especially isn't so special that the parents should fawn all over her and push Bay to the side. She never was. I agree that Regina doesn't and probably will never care about Bay as much as Daphne. That's not okay. I don't care what her excuse is, it's just an excuse at this point. Step up if she means something to you Regina. As for Angelo, I'm not going to buy four episodes of bonding as evidence that Daphne was closer to Angelo than Bay. Prior to those episodes, Bay and Daphne had pretty much the same relationship with Angelo. I would even argue Bay was closer to him because she at least WANTED to have a meaningful relationship with him. So no, the excuse that Daphne should take it harder or get more attention because she was closer to Angelo doesn't fly with me. Yes, Bay is not as outgoing as Daphne, but that doesn't make it okay for her to be ignored either. Good parents who care, as John and Kathryn have shown, will still reach out to her anyway because she still needs their love and affection. And it's not like Bay pushes people away. She has shown repeatedly to want and accept love from those around her. Just curious, but did you feel that Daphne shouldn't have felt anything at seeing John in the hospital last year when he had his heart attack? I just can't get behind the idea that just because John and Kathryn were good parents and raised Bay well, that she should just not care at all about her biological parents. Especially when the same is usually not applied to Daphne. Daphne, grew up poor, but she was loved and well taken care of. Why does she need anything from the Kennishes then? Is she the only one allowed to bond with her biological family?

I'm a high school teacher who has actually proctored the SAT and many other high stakes testing required by the state and that whole scene just had me cringing. It looked like she just waltzed in during a break in testing. I know it was for the DRAMA, but Daphne's phone NEVER would have just been sitting on the desk like that. It would have had to have been turned OFF so there wouldn't be any buzzing and stored in a secure location with all of the other phones that were taken from students as no one is allowed to have them on their person while taking the test. And where were the other students' phones? They all had them taken, so why wasn't Daphne's phone placed with them? DRAMA! There also wasn't enough room placed between each student and there should have been another proctor in the room given the number of students testing. I have to wholeheartedly agree with all of this. It's going to be all about Daphne. She's the perfect princess. Even tonight. She's the one who didn't need to be convinced to let Angelo go. She's able to magically read the lips of the doctor (from outside the room no less! Didn't she tell Angelo that lip-reading was hard?). She's the magnanimous one who brought up donating Angelo's organs to save the lives of others. Won't she just make a great doctor!? And now she's super pissed at Regina. This show isn't subtle at all sometimes. I'm not sure what the rule is about posting links to articles,so I hope this is okay (mods feel free to remove), but here's one from the creator of the show Lizzy Weiss that elaborates on how Daphne will react to Angelo's death. It does have broad, general spoilers for the rest of the season so read at your own risk: http://tvline.com/2014/07/14/switched-at-birth-angelo-dies-season-3-spoilers/ I like this show, but it wastes so much time on pointless characters and BS storylines. If they knew they wanted to kill off Angelo, they should have spent 3A, this past Winter season, building up his relationship with Daphne AND Bay. It would have made Angelo's death have more of an impact. Four episodes of bonding does not a relationship make. Instead they spent all of 3A on Tank/Jorge/Campbell and none of that went anywhere. Well, Tank at least served his purpose in reuniting Emmett and Bay, but Jorge and Campbell? Complete waste of time. And while what Bay said about not remembering her last conversation with Angelo was true, I put that more on the writers than the character. This show has NEVER really shown much interest in Bay developing a bond with her biological parents. Certainly not at the same level as Daphne with John and Kathryn. Yeah, she lived with them all last summer, but let's be real, that was more about Bay having the freedom to go off and do her thing with Ty than it was about bonding with Regina and Angelo. She spent the overwhelming majority of her time with Ty. Living with Regina and Angelo allowed her freedom that she wouldn't have had at home with John and Kathryn. When the summer was over, the relationship between Bay, Regina, and Angelo went right back to the way it was before. The writers could have chosen to have some sort of bonding between Bay and Angelo in the first four episodes just like they did with Daphne, but they obviously have chosen to go with the narrative that Bay didn't care enough to get to know him, which isn't really accurate in my opinion. Wanting to know more about her biological family and be connected to them has been a fairly consistent character trait for Bay. They so are. Bay and Emmett are so much more mature and are actually communicating with each other. He was there for her when she needed him just like she was there for him with his father. I love them so much. I'm not even going to lie, although the whole flash forward to Angelo coaching a pregnant (w/twins!) Bay through labor was sort of cheesy, I totally smiled when it was implied that Emmett was the father that walked in. And when Bay woke up and said "You're here" with that smile . . . love them. Me too. There's been so much of it this season. And this is just my speculation, but the next bit of drama is probably going to come in the form of Wes. They totally foreshadowed her hooking up with him last week with his sudden desire to do the right thing and Angelo's accusations that she was cheating. I'm so over it. I was glad to see her tending to BOTH Bay and Daphne tonight, but it shouldn't take a tragedy for her to take notice of Bay. I really hope she doesn't go back to ignoring Bay while trying to take care of Daphne. Bay lost her father too. That shouldn't be ignored just because she has had John in her life all this time. John's a great Dad, but Bay has every right, just as much as Daphne, to mourn what she has lost. Are brain aneurysms a condition that can be passed down to a sufferer's children? That would be an interesting avenue on which to focus on as a result of Angelo's death. Should Bay be tested/treated?

I agree. This was, overall, the weakest of the four that have aired so far in 3B. It had its strong points, but as a whole it wasn't hitting on all points like the first three have done. The East Riverside stuff just seems so pointless. It's not like it directly affect any of the characters. I understand Regina wanting to help the old neighborhood, but at the end of the day, her home/business isn't going to be affected. And none of the other characters are affected or seem to really care all that much. It's looking more and more that it was all just a plot point to get Angelo out of the picture so Regina can hook up with Wes. One thing that I did like about this episode was that it was light on the guest characters. This show has way too many guest characters that they try to give story to and fit in where they don't always make sense or they are completely separate from the main stories that it just seem like valuable time is being wasted. This was all about the main cast members except for Emmett, but that's not such a big deal because he's had good stories the past three episodes. I do hope he's back next week though. He should be there for Bay and Daphne and plus he disappeared way too much in the past for my liking. Especially when there was so much focus on other non-essential characters.

I found the Bay/Toby/John/Kathryn adventure and bonding much more interesting than the Daphne/Angelo stuff. It was just not subtle at all where the Daphne/Angelo stuff was headed. It would have been better if it was more gradual over the past three seasons and not jammed in four episodes, mostly this one. It was kind of boring as well. Too much exposition with the SAT book, then the cakes and Nana. The restaurant being foreclosed on kind of came out of nowhere as well. If Angelo dies, it would have been nice to get some individual bonding with him and Bay before he kicked the bucket. Bay hasn't had any bonding time with him or Regina at all this season. Yes, Bay has Kathryn and John and they are great, but that doesn't mean she deserves any less to have her biological parents in her life if she wants and she has expressed that she does want that even though they are both extremely flawed. So are John and Kathryn. Just in different ways. Daphne doesn't deserve a relationship with her biological parents more than Bay just because her upbringing was more challenging than Bay's. Toby and Bay are just the greatest. Toby knows right away that something's wrong, knows exactly how to cheer her up, and calls her out when she's wrong. Kathryn, and later John, were great with both Toby and Bay. That whole story tonight was great. Perfect way to handle Bay not getting into her dream school. It was nice to see Bay have a story about the challenges of college after the good story with Daphne's college struggles last week. The only weak spot was the story Kathryn told the security officer. It just didn't feel natural. It was more like, we need some more signing in this episode, so here it is! Regina is just so stupid and irresponsible. There were at least two better options than what she chose to do when she pulled up and saw the graffiti. 1. Leave and get somewhere safe. Whoever did it could still be around. You don't go up and start cleaning up in the dark. The police might want to get evidence or something. 2. CALL THE POLICE! I wouldn't blame Daphne one bit for being pissed off at having a gun pointed in her face. By her own mother no less. This show is SO setting up Wes as Regina's new love interest if Angelo dies. That also wasn't very subtle. Wes all of a sudden turning over a new leaf and doing the right thing? Angelo out of the blue accusing her of cheating? Not subtle at all. I'm so tired of the whole East Riverside plot.