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5 hours ago, Camera One said:
This episode went back to the addicted-Reverie-user-of-the-week formula and I got a little bored. I'm not sure this premise can sustain multiple seasons. The case of the weeks aren't particularly engaging and the fact that it's all imagination plus with the constantly uncooperative guest characters just makes it hard to care about the story.
HallucinationChris is about as interesting as RealChris. I can't say I'm too interested in the ex-company founder either.
It doesn't seem like he type of show that'll last too long.
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1 hour ago, Llywela said:
The premise is limited, yes, but placing the asteroid in a wider human context instead of focusing on it in isolation expands its lifespan considerably.
The storylines barely revolve around the impending asteroid itself, it's more about other characters' own motivations like Monroe trying to invoke a civil war was more of a power play for the presidency and the RESYST hack group trying to blackmail the government for their own self gain.
Even the storyline with Grace was more about a botched cover up over Claire's death.
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11 hours ago, Llywela said:
Ha. Is it bad that I kind of want this to happen, now you've suggested it? I mean, Darius is already upset about being vice president, can you even imagine! "All I ever wanted to do was run my business and build stuff! I am terrible at politics, why do people keep promoting me?!?!?!"
Agreed, even the President herself is kinda pushing it, even putting herself in danger which would immediately put Darius in that position.
5 hours ago, Llywela said:See, to me, that's the most believable part of the show - I mean, have you met mankind? We would totally tear ourselves to shreds over minutiae before the natural disaster had a chance to destroy us, that is absolutely how human beings operate. If there really was an asteroid on a collision course for the planet, I absolutely believe that some (many?) of our esteemed world leaders would be too busy jockeying for position to actually do anything about it (some of them even with the very best of intentions, too, because in order to save the world you have to first achieve some kind of cooperative effort, which could very easily become a very distracting rabbit hole to fall down) - and it is far too easy to believe that some people would derail the efforts of others to solve the problem, if they thought there was the slightest chance that they personally could profit from it (if only very briefly).
Also, another very human characteristic is our tendency to focus on small, immediate problems rather than bigger, more abstract ones. Like, that impending natural disaster is just too big for me to cope with, it's an abstract concept, my brain shies away from it, it's months away - but this political issue in my backyard, that's right here and now, it's a thing I understand and know how to respond to, so I'll just deal with what's in front of me and let someone else worry about that bigger problem down the line...
That's how people operate. We see it on the news every day. So the political stuff in the show feels very real to me, and I do believe that people would care - heck, if there was a civil war going on because a bunch of politicians were jockeying for position instead of getting on with the business of saving the world, I would care about that a lot, as a member of the general public without much of a voice in the situation! And if I was in the position of the characters, the heroes of the show, trying hard to save the world but being forced instead to focus on smaller yet more immediately pressing problems, I would also care about that - in fact, I would be every bit as frustrated about it as the characters were in the last episode.
That's my take on it, anyway. I think maybe some viewers are disappointed that the show isn't All Asteroid All The Time, but I also think it wouldn't be possible to sustain an ongoing show on that premise, dealing with the science of the asteroid-busting-mission in isolation. There just wouldn't be much story in that approach. I like that the show instead places the asteroid issue in its wider context of the social and political upheaval it has generated, because that's where the truly human story lies (and the eventual victory becomes all the sweeter for having been so hard-won, hopefully).
Most people would probably not care about the government, it would probably be chaotic with all that's going on, on top of the threat of a civil war going on.
As for the premise, many pointed out last season how limited the premise was, it's just that the show is turning to Designated Survivor 2.0 tbh.
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2 hours ago, Mrs peel said:
I get that the writers thought they needed subplots, because watching Tanz et al stand around thinking about what to do about the asteroid is less than exciting for TV. And there have been several shows and movies about how the average person reacts to this kind of looming disaster.
I’m stymied by why the VP/fake President tried the coup. What’s the benefit, to be the president for 4 months and then boom! I'm assuming he did the planning starting before they learned about the asteroid, but then I’d like to know why he did it. Or maybe not, because he’s too one note to care about.
Well, none of it has any consequences because of the asteroid so any plans coming from the 'civil war' or hacker group are void of any tension because of said looming asteroid.
As for the storylines, it kinda felt like Tanz was being pushed into being the next President role, especially after how fast he was already made VP.
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3 hours ago, marcee said:
RE: S3 Ep 11 The Art of War I also came here to post about the ridiculous idea that "The Art of War" was some ancient text that no one had ever studied, simply read or even ever heard of. I also wanted to laugh about how someone obviously had time to buy and arrange new throw pillows after the hail of bullets. And how when you, as an agent, hear people yelling from inside a shipping container, the initial response would be to hurry and open the container - not to bang a few more times yelling "Maise? Maise is that you?" What if they answered, "No, sorry, there's no Maise here"? Would you have moved on? Then, on Owen's "no hospitals" conversation - if the covert hospital was option, why couldn't they go there immediately instead of having Deep operate in the loft? Speaking of Deep, why is he back? Didn't he basically make a dramatic and nasty exit. The quickness with which he jumped back into the fold was RIDICULOUS. This show. It's so bad. I can't stop watching. And I hate myself for it.
Yeah, I was wondering why they didn't just open it right away, whether or not she's in there, there are still people stuck inside.
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47 minutes ago, Notwisconsin said:
They had enough time to work it out. I believe there's a thread somewhere about shows that deliberately end on a ciffhanger. IT was nice that they didn't. The show went off the rails when Angus' brother fell out of that helicopter. If an actor isn't working out, just kill him/her off or have them move to Cleveland or something. There didn't seem to be a real plan or anything. Still, the acting was great and some of the plots were really good.
Yeah, I think that was more for their awkward introduction of Willis' character into the show because it sort of petered out once that storyline finished.
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12 hours ago, shapeshifter said:
This felt more like a Tom Cruise/Jason Bourne action movie.
It is, it's becoming more of a political thriller tbh with the storylines.
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23 minutes ago, tessaray said:
Not sure if it's streaming anywhere but the 1 season series "You, Me and the Apocalypse" ** was pretty good, IMO. It was really uneven, ranging from brilliant to batshit crazy and Megan Mullally should never, ever try to do a Southern accent again but it was super fun (and sad and touching) in a way that Salvation isn't anymore.
** Definitely not recommended for those who must always take matters of faith, prophecy and religion seriously.
Yeah, Salvation is pretty much turning into a political thriller, the asteroid just feels more like a distant afterthought especially with the latest episodes.
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1 hour ago, juliet73 said:
I think if Stahl wanted to frame Harlee, he should have left the bloody knife in the plastic bag. Then again, there is no way a seasoned detective like Harlee is going to put a bloody murder weapon (in a bag or not) from a crime she committed in her car.
Agreed, although it seems more like he's playing with her in his own twisted, crazy way.
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6 hours ago, jhlipton said:
PLOT!!!!!
Basically this, they had 1 more season and they needed to keep Liv a zombie, at the same time, this was to help Bozzio and by extension Clive.
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21 minutes ago, jewel21 said:
The cops all turning around at the end, while expected, killed me.
Stahl is such a great villain. What an entertaining nutbag, heh.
It was an obvious trap, which shouldn't have taken that long to figure out a set up.
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13 hours ago, Jacks-Son said:
It's almost a given than the Army will try to apply any new technology towards a militaristic use, (In the movies & TV) so, it goes without saying, that if you build it, they will use it. Keep it in mind when you don't want your invention turned into a weapon.
Exactly, they'll almost always use new technology like this in these kinds of stories.
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6 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:
Until he brings a video camera to the police interview. Best laugh of the night: "I know I can be a bit of a jerk sometimes." Your diagnostic ability is amazing, douche.
His character honestly spent much of the season shoving a camera in people's faces until the last few episodes where they tried to redeem him where it was way too late and at that point the show was already wrapping everything else up asap.
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53 minutes ago, Brooks said:
About that crowd sourcing... Hundreds of qualified engineers show up to help convert the rail gun, with no suggestion some of those people are there to sabotage or apparent safeguards against sabotage??
It explains a lot, the asteroid doesn't need to do anything, they can take each other out.
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57 minutes ago, ams1001 said:
And we get (another) one of their own in a different accident, apparently..
Oh, and the police getting in the way because they just have to talk to their suspect, never mind that she's unconscious in the ER.
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Further random thoughts:
- Well, that whole plane crash bit seemed kind of...incidental?
- Who the hell wears stiletto heels while on crutches?
- Guess douche doc is redeemed?
- Aw, twue wuv.
- Why is the teenager spending all her time at a hospital and not, y'know, at school?
- Aw, father son bonding.
- Goodbye, show. I probably won't miss you too much.
Agreed, that's another trope, which they've done a couple of times just recently.
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On 7/15/2018 at 1:14 PM, Netfoot said:
You guys weren't kidding! They are going to be hit by an aeroplane!
Yep, it's a disaster trope that's usually found in medical dramas like Grey's Anatomy, ER, and this.
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1 hour ago, willco said:
I think that's what is bugging me about this season. All this political BS is taking up the whole show, meanwhile the asteroid/comet may wipe out the world population anyway, so who really cares. Why would it matter if you are president if the world is destroyed ?
That's exactly why I can't get into the other subplots, it just feel too trivial compared to the threat of the asteroid.
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6 hours ago, redpencil said:
Also, Liam is kind of an idiot. How does he not stop to question what that woman (whose name I can't remember) did to make Darius hate her so intensely. He's trusting her side way too easily.
Yeah that was really dumb, especially with all that's going on.
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On 7/14/2018 at 8:57 AM, Clanstarling said:
Seems about par for a lot of the companies I've known. Unintended consequences are more unconsidered consequences.
That and the way they handled their former partner a few episodes ago, that's just a backfire waiting to happen sooner or later.
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11 hours ago, Latverian Diplomat said:
I understand what you are saying about this, but I have found ghost Claire to be a really annoying (and tired?) device. YMMV, of course.
Very annoying, especially given this subplot.
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10 hours ago, Xantar said:
It really does seem like Onira Tech didn’t think this through very well, did they? Who would have ever thought that some people would get stuck and decide never to come out!
A lot of people considering the very premise of this series so it wasn't thought up well at all.
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20 hours ago, shill33 said:
Someone please explain to me why Ravi couldn't use Isobel's brain to create more of a cure?! I get that it was something in her brain that caused it but he was able to replicate so many other things, why not the chemical compounds of her brain?
Plot convenience for when Liv gives it away and to keep her a zombie for 1 more season.
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4 hours ago, tennisgurl said:
I so knew that murder brother in law was still alive.
Same here, especially since they were obviously going to revisit this before the end of the season.
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4 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:
Will someone please fire that cabbage-headed oaf of a doctor wannabe Avila? I am so tired of his redemption arc. Where did he get the time to learn any medicine, especially surgical stuff, when he was walking around filming people all the time? I'm glad his "documentary" got slammed by the board.
The good news is that next week is the last episode in this case.
Otherwise, he's been nothing but an obnoxious character that shoved his camera in people's faces and got in people's way.
4 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:So last week Willis says there's a neurosurgeon in San Diego, so they fly Rox down there. This week, the neurosurgeon supposedly had to fly halfway across the country, at least according to Ghost Dog soldier. And does anyone in that hospital take sterility seriously? Maybe Willis was hallucinating the entire episode.
Who knows how much he hallucinated looking back, it could explain away some inconsistencies.
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Season 3 Discussion
in Quantico [V]
Yeah, it definitely picked up in the last few episodes with this Devlin arc.