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I think seeing Kelley and Kimmi as two of the first people back in pics spoiled me (and got me excited they might actually go back to old school Survivor where people looked like they were starved out there). Since Cambodia is supposed to be a hard location-IIRC Jeff and Mark said it was the hardest one they've filmed in-I figured it might actually show a little more. Nicaragua seemed easy, and it didn't help with the mounds of food rewards they got. But I find it hard to believe that all these people who aren't showing signs of severe weight loss went early, and the ones we haven't seen pics from (Kelly Wigles, Stephen, Shirin, Kass, Tasha, Monica, Savage) all went far and avoiding pics because they look super skinny. Kelly Wigles is detached from all things technology anyway it seems. Joe lost almost 20 lbs last season, but it didn't look it. When he went back to the jury all cleaned up, I would never have pegged him for lasting as long as he did. So while I was hoping photos might tell us something, I guess they really aren't.

Right now the only two that look like they're in the running to play Skeletor are Kelley and Kimmi. Others either look exactly the same or thin enough that's somewhat noticeable, but not as thin as the other two. So maybe it isn't so much a case of lasting to day 39 as it is a combo of getting far and getting a nasty parasite (or being like Rodney and losing out on all the food rewards). I thought Spencer looked thin in the face, but since we didn't get a full body shot and it's taken at an angle its hard to tell. He doesn't look as emaciated as the other two. Joe on the other hand, I thought he looked thinner and tanner on the pics he posted from his first night back, but looking at some since he doesn't look any different. Since they already had one run with newbies and saw what happened with illnesses, maybe they found a way to prevent it as best they could this time. The only one I'm convinced was out pre-merge is Vytas due to the SM activity. Possibly Terry because of his son (who I hope gets better and makes a full recovery), but no one's been able to confirm he left. Abi, Varner, Peih-Gee, and Ciera also don't look like they lost a ton, if any, weight. However, if the merge/jury happened earlier this time, that could be why. They had time to live it up at Ponderosa before coming home.

Is there any possible way people like Abi might be posting old photos to throw people off? That's probably wishful thinking on my part, since I want Abi to go far :/ But I'm sticking with the theory that for now, she's pre-merge. Shirin, Spencer, and Stephen all strike me as the types to hold off posting photos, especially if they went far. Shirin especially has always been vocal on SM so her silence makes me wonder.

So if they merge at 13, there's 7 pre-merge boots. Right now, I'd say Vytas is a lock based on the SM activity, and if Terry's son is that serious, I can't see him staying in the game if he was told. Abi I'm iffy on, but she doesn't look anywhere near as thin as Kelley and Kimmi (who've set the bar), and looks almost exactly the same as when she left. Coupled with that IG pic of her and Kass that went missing right around the time of the merge, I'll stick with the theory she was late pre-merge, or the last pre-merge boot. So that would be 4 more. PG didn't look that much thinner, either, except in the face. Another photo I saw of Kelley, she looks like she has bug bites up and down on her arm. That would be another indication she went very far and they didn't have time enough to heal. I still want to see more pics of Keith and Jeremy, because the only one I've seen of Jeremy is from a weird angle, and I don't think Keith looks that much thinner than when he started the game. Someone who may have better knowledge of this than me, but I know that the pre-jury folks obviously come home on a different flight than the jury folks-do they then all meet up at the same airport before departing to their home cities? I thought that picture of Varner was also an emaciated Kimmi, and Joe photo bombing in the background. It's possible they all met up, since it seems like Jeff was still trying to get home. If that photo is post game, then Jeff is likely pre-merge. He looks like he lost no weight. So pre-merge may look like Vytas, Abi, Terry, and Jeff. Has their been any photos of Tasha, Monica (who were allegedly rumored to look thinner), Shirin, Andrew, Kass, Spencer, Stephen, Ciera, or Kelly Wigles?

Where I see it in Joe is his face. It looks similar to when he was voted off. I do think he looks thinner, but with his body type I wonder if it would be that noticeable? He's tall and lean with not a lot of fat. One IG looked like his ribs were somewhat visible, another twitter pic his face looked saggy, but again, that could all be angles. He does look really tan, but that could be explained away from the pre-jury trip. And all the weight loss could be parasites. I don't see the weight loss in Jeremy and Keith that others at Sucks are seeing, but holy crap to Kimmi! Either she purposely starved herself at pre-jury Ponderosa or she makes it far. Comparing her now to the WA reunion, she's lost the most weight thus far that I've seen. This is the Survivor I've been missing! Maybe they skimped on the food rewards this season. Based on photographic evidence so far, Kelley and Kimmi look the most different in terms of weight loss and likely went extremely far. Joe's debatable. I see the difference, but not as much as the two girls. There was that slight increase in IG people he started following around the time of the final 4 boot, so that could mean either his journey ended there or, since we saw Vytas's SM activity increase at the time, he may be a pre-juror who finally got around to using wifi. Woo looks exactly the same as when he left.

I just noticed in that twitter pic his mom posted, he's holding the fake idol he made last season. Must be they gave it to him. That's the photo where I really notice the tan. I agree that at the reunion, his face looked fuller and he was joking on his SM about putting on weight so it would be easier on his body this time. That was where I noticed it first, that his face looked thinner. So far, I've only seen photos of Kelley and Joe. I wonder if the others might hold off posting if they are incredibly skinny so as not to reveal how well they did (or, if they did horribly, not want anyone to know by lack of weight loss). ETA: Per Redmond on twitter, the merge is at 13, jury of 10. Have they ever merged with that many before? I wonder if Terry supposedly quitting had something to do with it. Or maybe they were anticipating medevacs and wanted to make sure they could still have a final 3. Of course, there's always the possibility that it was more TPTB wanting to ensure certain players were around as long as possible.

I love it pennben! I love playing detective. Does anyone know if Vytas actually showed up at his yoga class the other night? I saw on another site someone saying it was likely a family member/friend doing all the internet activity to mess with the spoiler community, because there's no way TPTB would let him leave or anywhere near any devices that had wi-fi. This person was a Ciera fan, so I don't know if they just assume that if Vytas goes, Ciera isn't far behind and they are in denial about it. Not sure why Vytas going would effect Ciera, unless they were in the same alliance and she couldn't recover. Anyway, I think that's too complicated so I'm going with the original theory that Vytas was a 1st/2nd boot. To continue on the picture evidence, I've seen a couple more photos of Joe (one on his IG, another on his moms twitter), and he does look skinnier and tanner to me in those. I'll go out on a limb and say that both he and Kelley went far into the game, at least mid merge for Joe, and Kelley looks like she went to final 6 at worst.

I think that's an old photo of Ciera (unless I'm thinking of a different one, but I believe Laura had that one posted before). Spencer and Kelley were part of the (alleged) six person pre-game alliance along with Monica, Stephen, Ciera, and Vytas. If Monica came back thin, maybe part of a a pre-game alliance made it in tact to the end. If Kelley did much better this time around, I can see her being excited. Since the FTC was only a couple of days ago, they may be coming down off their high. I've only seen that one picture of Joe (his sister had one on her twitter account but he's hugging all 3 of his sisters so you can't see him that well; he didn't look as tan in that photo she posted as he did in his IG selfie, but that could all be lighting). I'd like to see more, but his face looks thinner in his IG photo, and something about his hair, even though it's up, reminds me of how it looked the first few days he was at Ponderosa. It looked healthier the longer he was out of the game, so maybe that's another sign he went far. Probably grasping at straws, but this is kind of fun to dissect now that everyone is home. As a Joe fan, I am hoping he at least makes the merge again but does better this time around. However, I still won't be surprised if he goes out early. But if he and Spencer end up making it to the end, I will be curious how that happens. I would have figured they would have been two of the biggest threats gone early, so while I'd be happy, I hope that's not a sign that this season mirrors last season, and people just get in an alliance and follow the leader.

Comparing that photo to the other photos on Kelley's IG (including one from her SJDS days), Kelley must go extremely far. I actually pegged her for making the final 3, or getting extremely close, so we'll see if I'm right (just a vibe I've got). Although considering the conditions and the fact that the contestants/crew from S32 came back very ill with parasites and infected bug bites, I wouldn't entirely rule out rapid weight loss from illness. https://instagram.com/p/48lKYksJnB/?taken-by=kelleywentworth This is the photo. I already am hoping Kass outlasts Shirin, just because of the comments Max made after Kass was off and disconnected from the web. I'm wondering if Shirin will get cast in an unfavorable light this time around, especially if she doesn't chill. I think Joe, Spencer, and Kelley were the first ones I saw doing anything on SM.

You are right, not sure why I was thinking it was earlier. I've re-watched SJDJ, and it was only on a year ago, yet I still can't remember much about it. I still get confused when I see Natalie at TC, since I remember her being MIA until middle of the merge after Jeremy got voted off (and maybe it was even after that).

There are some people in the cast who may consider Keith a goat if he had no strategy and just got into an alliance and followed their votes. So they may assume that they take him to the end, or keep him around, because they can use him for the vote and ultimately use him for strategy of their own when they say he did nothing and they did everything. Kind of like how he was clueless during SJDS. TBH, though, it seems his whole "stick to the plan!" outburst is what is always referenced as to how clueless he was. Which came early in the game. Without that, I don't know that he was as dumb as they made him out to be. I looked at him as a nice guy that didn't want to ruffle any feathers myself. Maybe Keith has changed and will play a more strategic game this time, though I somehow doubt it. I'm always willing to be proven wrong, however :) I do think his immunity run was impressive, considering who he was up against. I'm not one that thinks an immunity run should be automatic consideration for the win, but I also don't think it should be discounted. Usually the people doing the winning need it the most. Looks like everyone has arrived back stateside. I saw this photo on Joe's IG: https://instagram.com/p/47_R6QxNFe/?taken-by=janglim21 A couple of posters on Sucks commented that he looks thinner than he did back in May. Of course, this is one picture and kind of hard to tell. I was trying to compare it to the other photos on his IG around the time he left to see if there's much difference. If anything, I think he looks very tan and thinner in the face. I still wonder if there's some coincidence between the number of people he was following on IG increasing right at the time the 4th place finisher would have been voted off. Will be curious to see more of everyone!

I only say that because, if the conditions are as horrendous as Probst, Burnett, & crew are claiming, there might be actual signs someone was living on the beach for 39 days. I may be wrong, but Jeff said this was one of the hardest locations they've ever filmed in and that there was a lot of illness and infections related to bug bites. As I said, I could be wrong, and considering how Survivor has become like Big Brother on an island with the luxuries they provide on the island, it may be like seeing them come home from Nicaragua again. I'm not but I would find it hysterical if Kass and Keith got dragged to the end for being goats and then wound up taking out the big players as a result. One alliance I heard about was the six of Vytas/Ciera/Spencer/Monica/Kelley/Stephen. Not sure how accurate that is, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ciera/Vytas were working together and either Ciera betrayed Vytas or they got blindsided. I'll be curious about original tribe divisions because that might explain a lot. I'm still going with Vytas thought he was calling the shots and got too confident for his own good. FWIW, Joe's added another IG follower. Filming is over and the contestants likely headed home in the next few hours (Cambodia time). But that might mean he's back online.

Damn, he must be really bitter about his early ouster lol I'm already looking forward to it!

What I would find somewhat amusing is if Ciera did go pre-merge, the person who was posting the boot list and claiming to be in Cambodia had her as the 3rd boot (before getting discredited as a hoaxer). I've never paid much attention to Laura on SM, but it seems as though she posts a lot, so I'm assuming we'll be getting pics of Ciera as soon as she gets home from her (if not from Ciera herself). That would likely be a sign as to how long she lasted by how she may look. It's 3pm Cambodia time, which means the FTC is just a few hours away. I'm still curious about the slight increase of followers on Joe's IG. I've never used IG so I don't know how it works, and if he followed someone that had a private account it wouldn't show up until they accepted his request (which might explain it). But the timing is kind of a coincidence that suddenly there's some activity on there, right when the pre-jurors are thought be arriving home and the 4th place finisher got voted off. He's another one that I'll be curious to see if he looks like he was out there 38 days or if he's been living it up on the pre-juror trip. I see Vytas had yet another post on his FB page about his yoga class last night, so that pretty much confirms he was out early. I'm surprised TPTB would let him get away with that, unless they figure it's inevitable that spoilers will get leaked out (and for the casual fan, they probably won't notice-Vytas's FB page is proof of that).

I did forget that Jeff said they started later than expected and that the press didn't make it out there until after the original planned start date. There may be some reason Joe's IG followers increased without him actually being online yet, because I do find it odd that only he, Vytas, and Abi have had any sort of noticeable SM activity (and his is just coming now, the day after the last boot before the final 3) and no one else has. Joe doesn't seem like the type to be bitter and break the rules as a F-U to the process for getting booted off, especially if he did better his second go round. And I know there's debate about that photo disappearing from Abi's IG. I guess we will know in the next couple of days if the castaways start posting photos. For now, though, it's something to possibly go on.

I noticed on Joe's IG that he is now following 712 people-whereas yesterday he was following 709. That seems to have gone up and down in the last few days; he was following 711, then 709, and now 712. I thought the drop in followers might be people deleting their IG accounts, but if he's adding followers then that might mean he's online. It would technically be July 8th (the final filming date) in Cambodia. I don't know why his family or someone that might have access to his IG would suddenly start adding people on his behalf, if they are the ones behind it. That could mean either he's home, or was out at the final 3/4 and now has access to SM. His mom, who tweets somewhat consistently, was MIA around the time of the family visit. I know last season he said his dad was supposed to be his visitor, but I'm wondering if he couldn't make it this time. There's probably more of a logical explanation for that but since we're throwing all theories... I wonder if filming did in fact start on June 1st or maybe it started a couple of days sooner and they are all done.

Per TDT, filming is over Wednesday the 8th. So there might be other signs of pre-mergers logging onto SM within the next day or two, and everyone should be home by the 9th-10th. Vytas, I'm guessing wasn't expecting to be that early of an exit, and likely got a big old blindside handed to him. I never had the problem with Vytas a lot of people did, though something told me I'd probably find him extremely unbearable this time around. He isn't someone I cared one way or the other about seeing, so I won't be sorry to see him go early. But if he outlasted other people I really didn't like, I would have been fine with that, too. I assume this kills any chance he has at returning a third time if he intentionally let it slip that he was out early. Since Joe's mom tweeted she'd be seeing him 'in the next 6 days' I wonder if he made the merge. Six days from when she tweeted that would be July 9th, the approximate arrival date of when the jury and finalist crowd will be home.

Sucks has another spoiler that may confirm Vytas was out pre-merge: a post from his Facebook page saying he'll be teaching yoga in LA this coming Tuesday. Now, I could say someone may have posted it on Vytas's behalf but that seems even more far fetched than someone deleting a random photo off of Abi's IG. The last post from Vytas prior to this was May 20th, the day of the second chance cast reveal. Filming is supposed to end on the 9th, give or take. On July 3rd, Joe's mom posted on her twitter that she couldn't wait to see him 'in the next 6 days' so that might fit with Vytas being home. If he was a pre-merger, maybe they get home a little sooner than the jury crowd. Since Vytas strikes me as the type to be bitter about a super early exit, I could see him totally spoiling the fact that he was voted off early, if he could get away with it. The account on Facebook is under Vytas Yoga.

The only thing I can think of with the Abi spoiler/rumor is that it was, in fact, reported and removed as another poster suggested. It seems really random that someone would take the trouble to really mess with the spoiler community by going to the trouble of removing a photo from Abi's IG and hope someone would see it. Especially an older photo. I can see someone liking a photo under Vytas's name, but removing a photo for the sake of faking a spoiler seems a little out there. I could be wrong. In Abi's case, I hope there is some reason because I don't want to think of her being out so early. Of course, if Abi herself removed it she may not have realized anyone would have noticed, either. Who knows! Filming will be over in about a week, so then we will probably get something more concrete once the castaways arrive home. If family visits are happening this season, then those should be happening around this time as well. I wouldn't be surprised for one of the rejected second chancers to get info and end up spoiling the season. No matter what, I think some might still be a little bitter and may be even more so when everyone gets home and there's excitement over the season swirling that they weren't a part of.

Would it be that many of them though? That's where I'm skeptical. At any rate, I'd be fine with Ciera, Monica, and Vytas gone. So with my luck, those 3 are still there, and Joe, Spencer, Tasha, Kelly Wigles, Varner, Savage, and PG are all out.. If they are doing the family visit, that should be coming up soon. Filming ends July 9th I think? So there may actually be something concrete if people can prove certain loved ones are missing.

The ones who seem consistent at popping up are Vytas, Abi, Kimmi, and Ciera. Of course, these could be fake spoilers that are using their info from previous fake spoilers that were already debunked. This is the first I've seen Jeff, PG, or Jeremy mentioned. There's Terry, but his (allegedly) leaving the game is other circumstances. ETA: okay, the mod at Sucks has said the poster is a known hoaxer about the Vietnam sightings. I'm still waiting for something more official or concrete, too, but at least it's fun to speculate (and antagonize) about. It looks like the spoilers have been coming from SM anyway, the person who posted about the Vietnam sighting just used people that were essentially already part of the pre-jury rumor mill. The only name they mentioned that I hadn't seen yet was Jeremy's.

I am also really disappointed if it turns out Jeff and PG are gone pre-merge. In fact, I'm disappointed that the old schoolers aren't kicking butt like I hoped. I'm not sure the chances of them being asked back again, especially if they did have an early exit this time. So this will be somewhat of a shocking first boot. I wonder if someone overplayed their hand? I don't know if Spencer, Tasha, and Kass pulled that or not, but if they really can't stand each other, yet are working together, I have to respect that. That's good game play. I'm just amazed people like Spencer, Stephen, and Joe weren't targeted already. I'm not surprised by Kimmi's early exit. To be honest, while I like Kimmi and was happy to see someone from that far return (especially an early boot), there are others I would have put on the ballot ahead of her. I just hope there is good game play going on, and not a couple of people running things and everyone else afraid to make moves. After the un-strategic WA season, I need something good. I like Stephen, but for some reason, I feel like I'm going to end up hating him if he ends up winning.

It's hard to say without knowing tribe dynamics and whether a tribe swap had any impact in who got voted off (because rarely does a tribe swap not screw someone over). It could just be a big coincidence that the Cagayan 4 are still in it. Spencer is a big threat, but so is Stephen and Joe, so those 3 could have teamed up (either in the game or pre-game). For all we know, the Cagayan 4 could have been evenly divided straight through to the merge. I actually would find it somewhat hysterical if Kass was still in it, given the general dislike for her, Max whining about her "betrayal" and hoping she'd reflect on it in Ponderosa, and pretty much everyone predicting she'd be the first to go.

I never thought in a million years the Cagayan crew would team up, mainly because I figured they would get targeted right off the bat (not so much because there are more reps from that season, but because Kass is an unpredictable hated flip flopper, Spencer and Tasha are threats and would likely be seen as a power couple). I thought Kass might prove a useful swing vote to someone's alliance, especially if she makes good on her word she wants to be a goat and float to the end. I thought Spencer might get knocked off first because of being a threat, but I wonder if it's not so much pre-game alliances that took hold of the game, but maybe people actually using common sense and strategy for a change? Not automatically getting rid of Joe, Spencer, and Stephen for being threats, or Kass because no one likes her. Right now the only spoilers I'm willing to believe are Abi, Vytas, and Terry, since those had something to go on.

If the pre-jury spoilers are true (what I saw was Ciera, Vytas, Abi, Jeremy, Jeff, Peih-Gee, Monica, and Kimmi) then no, I'm sort of not happy. I still have plenty of favorites in it, but it blows my mind the entire Cagayan 4 is still there (so much for Kass going first) and Keith. Certainly isn't going how I envisoned, and I'm hoping that PG and Jeff especially aren't out. I'm disappointed about Abi and Jeremy, too. Could do without Monica, Ciera, and Vytas so I wouldn't care about them. I am thrilled if Joe, Spencer, Stephen, Tasha, Savage, and Kelly Wigles are still in it, though I have a feeling this may be like a Caramoan final 3 repeat-we have Kass (the Sherri), Stephen (Cochran) and some random female that is the Dawn and takes all the heat for the backstabbing while ignoring that someone else is equally as guilty. Disappointed that Woo might still be there, too. I'm still taking all of this with a grain of salt. It would be nice if the people put their personal feelings aside and did team up with someone they loathed on the outside but it furthers their game. It will be interesting if the biggest threats end up taking control.