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I liked Kristin in the beginning. I still think she is occasionally funny, especially when she's poking fun at herself. Jay is good looking and rich (and, as much as I hate to admit it, talented) but there is something about him I don't like. I think he wanted a hot blond size zero trophy wife who would stay with the kids and be all about his career. Which he largely got for a number of years. I got the impression he found Kristin's association with reality TV somewhat trashy. I think her "fame" propelled her to be noticed by him, but I am not sure he necessarily appreciated this. I mean, I think if a hot blond size zero non-famous Kristin existed, he would have preferred that- he just may have never met her. I briefly watched WAGs on E! (just for a few episodes, it was so lame) and one of the wives was talking about how you basically don't have your own life. Your goals are whatever his goals are, plus to make yourself look as pretty as possible. It's like a complete 50s throwback. I know not every professional athlete has a marriage like this (and WAGs was mostly third tier athletes anyways, except for Antonio Gates), but there probably are enough out there.

That, and I am sure she's not even that interested in running it anymore. Now that she's no longer forcing herself to embody the down home small business owner/GOOP domestic goddess she probably has no use for UJ. It was a vehicle to get her out of the house in a Jay-sanctioned career, I think.

In other words, playing Barbie CEO in Nashville is now unnecessary, right Kristin? (And possibly not financially viable. It wouldn't surprise me if she scales back on UJ considerably as she starts eyeing up the LA social scene. I bet she just leaves one flagship store in the wake of Covid 19 that she'll pop into whenever it's her week with the kids.

I agree with this. Brie's participation in the companies she "runs" is pretty limited to the briefings she gets every other month or so from the people actually in charge, and the events she and Nikki throw to promote their respective wares. Brie just seems overwhelmed at life. I have a hard time imagining Brie with someone laid back like Artem. It would take them the better part of the morning just to decide where they wanted to eat breakfast. "I don't care, you can pick." "Oh, I don't care either, what do you feel like?" Back and forth.

Yeah to me, Nikki's reaction to the accusation was way worse than the accusation itself. I have three nephews and a niece (via husband- I'm an only child) and I have never sent a birthday card. If I happen to be with them on birthdays and Christmases they will usually get money from me. If I am not with them, nothing. And as pointed out, by virtue of Nikki's relationship with Brie, in all likelihood she is just going to be closer to any offspring of Brie's. No one was suggesting Nikki don a sackcloth and ashes and flog herself- yet she acted so put upon by being informed that her actions, however unintentional, were hurtful. I didn't like that. Also, as someone who has dealt for years with flaky friends (who are no longer friends) and non committal inlaws (who unfortunately are here to stay), "I never said for sure I was coming" would make me apoplectic. WTF Nikki? It's the hour of the invitation and you can't be bothered to let them know one way or the other if you're coming? Rude as fuck.

Yes, but just like JJ has to accept that this is just the way it is, Nikki could be a little kinder when Brie takes it upon herself to let her know how hurt JJ is. Instead she ups the ante by just blowing off the dinner invite? Sidebar: when she said she never said for sure she was coming, I thought that was SO rude. Someone invites you to something and you just say maybe and let them be surprised? She came off like a snotty preteen girl. Normally I’m in the camp that it’s shitty to bitch about someone behind their back, but in this case, when your complaint is, you’re not as close to me as you are to someone else, I mean, what really can be done? I don’t begrudge JJ venting about something that hurts him to his family. Although very likely a passive aggressive move- I am sure he knew it would make its way back to Nikki which may have been his intention all along. I mean, the whole family is pretty immature. It would surprise me if Artem truly had a $1 million + net worth, unless he comes from money. Dancing with the Stars doesn’t publish the pros’ salaries, but estimates are around $5K a week. That’s good money, but it’s not millionaire money, plus it’s not a year round gig. And it doesn’t sound like he did anything else during his 10 year run.

Her kids had soccer. She said she called the bookstore. I think she thought she'd be lauded for not missing her kids soccer game, instead she was rightly criticized for not being able to check a calendar before committing to something.

I just watched the Favoritism episode, and I thought Nikki came off terribly. JJ is an asshole, no doubt, but I do believe there are years of hurt feelings pent up, and it is hard when you feel like the exclusion you felt is being revisited upon your kids. For Nikki to melodramatically bitch about this horrible injustice done to her and how she never thought this was part of "aunt life" and then to pull a no-show when she knows she (however unintentionally) has hurt her brother's feelings? And then turn it around and act like she's such a victim? My litmus test here is Lauren, who has, despite her choice in husbands, always struck me as the relatively reasonable one in the attention seeking and insanely oversensitive coven that is the Bella family. She seemed genuinely hurt by Nikki and just over her ridiculous in laws. Also, Mama Kathy didn't speak up once for Nikki during JJ's/Lauren's gripe sessions, which makes me think she is in agreement with what JJ and Lauren were saying. Plus I thought Nikki was insane about the whole picture thing. You've been dating a year, Nikki! You're not even ready to live together, by your own admission. Naturally he wouldn't be included in a family photo, and I think it would be presumptuous of him to assume he was (I think staging a "fake" photo was way more hurtful, honestly, and I hope this was scripted for the show). I thought it was really telling when Kathy said something like, "Nikki thinks I don't take her relationship seriously, but really, sometimes I wonder if Nikki takes her relationship that seriously." Just like JJ and his feelings about his daughter vs. Birdie, Nikki's overreaction about Artem's exclusion from the picture seemed more about her feelings than his. I think Nikki felt dumb being in a picture without an SO when her siblings both had theirs. While Artem is a super nice guy, I actually don't think Nikki is that into him. He was a rebound. If I may play armchair psychologist for a moment, after 7+ years of dating a guy who was very much 'my way or nothing', I think Nikki enjoyed dating someone who let her call all the shots and constantly kisses her ass. But I think she seems bored with him already, and I do think his income/net worth compared to Cena's is going to always disappoint her. I'm not calling her a gold-digger, but I do think Nicole is attracted to highly successful men and I don't think she's going to enjoy being the breadwinner.

You coparent "just fine" Kail? Like when you smacked around Javi? Or when you accused both men at different times of abusing you when you were the abuser? When you ignored their wishes and left the state with their respective kids? When you criticized them both while being filmed? When you tossed Javi's Disney tickets in the trash out of spite? And you don't "co-parent" at all with Chris. He comes around when he wants/needs something and you throw your shared child at him for an Instagram photo op. Then you and Chris proceed to argue in front of all your kids and get in social media he said/she said bullshit wars. I thought Jenelle was the most delusional and least self aware Teen Mom, but I think you've won the title, Kail. Let me rephrase it for you. You get along reasonably well with the fathers of your first two kids because they bend over backwards to accommodate you and are relatively mature individuals (well, Javi isn't, but he isn't as vindictive and spiteful as Kail). What happened to Kail as a kid is truly unfortunate, and I do feel empathy for her, and if this was just about struggling in her relationships, I'd give her some more slack. But she treats everyone horribly and takes no responsibility for any of the issues in her life.

On Total Divas a few years back, Eva Marie was holding her phone by the window (in the car) and her husband either knocked it out of her hand or turned sharply while driving and caused her to "drop" it out the window. If you watch carefully (we did, we're geeks) you can pretty easily tell it was a scripted move. Pretty much everything about this show screams scripted at this point. Except Brie and Bryan. I do really think he is contemptuous of her in general (I mean, she's completely vapid and bland, but he's the one who married her), and I think she is beyond sick of her finances, social media postings, and grocery lists being micromanaged by the wanna be environmentalist.

Really, Kristin is being so unimaginative. The best she can do is that a retired millionaire that is well known for being unfriendly was rude to her friends and doesn't want to be on TV? Come on, Kristin, you can do better. Maybe tomorrow TMZ gets a tip that Jay Cutler told Kristin that real men don't perform oral sex, or that any woman larger than a size 0 is super disgusting.

Right?? Jay is notoriously standoffish. While no one will consider this Bad Jay story a stretch, it will once again backfire on our Blanche Dubois, because his standoffish behavior didn't trouble her when he was funding her million dollar wedding or giving her the seed money to start her "empire".

You could be right, but for the sake of her kids, I hope Kristin is not the kind of attention starved sad sack who believes that being famous for being a classless bitch who airs her dirty laundry to the public is STILL preferable to being a mature, functional nobody. Kristin, this divorce settlement is going to net you millions. Not sure how child support will be calculated (assuming a 50/50 split, from my limited understanding, the higher earning spouse may still be on the hook for paying support to the lesser earning spouse), but that could be another cash flow stream. You are a very pretty woman who has been moderately successful at your various brands (be it modeling, acting, TV hosting, building an "empire"). Going this route of mud slinging and leaking complaints to TMZ is not the way to go.

I cannot figure out Kristin's angle here. She has got to realize this constant smear campaign only makes her look bad. It is SO over the top that I'm almost wondering if the "source" is actually a Machiavellian Jay, so that Kristin looks like a classless loudmouth. ETA: I know, I know, she doesn't need his help. In all seriousness, I suppose it is vaguely possible acquaintances of hers are just shooting their mouths off and she didn't plant the stories, because some people just love to be "in the know". Sure doesn't make her look good though.

Yeah, and she probably got bumped for Kail's last vacation too in favor of splurging for Chris. (I'm kidding, I know she hasn't treated him to a vacation in awhile).

Yeah, it's a bit rich to call your partner "lazy and unmotivated" when he is, A. better educated than you, B. a higher earner than you even when he is likely doing nothing, C. had an incredibly physically demanding career that lasted 15 years (if you count college, which I do), and D. funding not only your lifestyle but your professional aspirations as well. For whatever his faults were, he did something for 15 years that was not only incredibly hard on his body, but also left him completely open to criticism and ridicule, and that kind of thing has to take a toll on your mental health. Yes, he was compensated very well for this, but still. It makes total sense to me that maybe he doesn't long to be in front of a camera anymore. Kristin is really showing her butt by having her friends give these anonymous interviews to the rag mags. And I don't for one second believe she didn't authorize them to do so.

Shut the fuck up, Kristin. You "got" the show for them, Kristin? Did it ever occur to your fame hungry ass that Jay maybe didn't aspire to be on TV? The guy has a bachelors degree, played 4 years in college, and then got his ass beat for 11 years in the NFL. Not only was he physically beat on, but he was frequently criticized in the media (FYI- I briefly kept a football blog in the mid/late 2000s and gleefully RIPPED on him during the Broncos years, and for a season or 2 with the Bears until it stopped being fun). If he wants to take a few years living off his hundreds of millions of dollars that has supported YOUR vanity projects, Kristin, what's it to you? And also, didn't you want him to be home more so you could spend more time playing CEO Barbie? Stay classy, Kristin.

On the old TWOP Laguna Beach board, someone wrote in saying she went to high school with Kristin. I have no way to verify this as the truth, but I don't really see any reason this person would lie. The poster was not featured on the show. Anyways, she said that how Kristin appeared on the show was exactly how she was in real life- she was going to live her life, and she honestly did not care if you liked her or didn't like her. I remember being completely shocked (and envious!) because at 21 I had nothing close to her 17 year old self confidence. And it honestly did not seem to me like either arrogance or false bravado, just that she honestly respected herself, she expected other people in her life to treat her with respect, and it wasn't going to ruin her day if you didn't like her. Hell, at 36, I can't say I feel that way all the time. So, I definitely admired that. Now though, it kind of seems like she is having some major identity crisis and I don't see her reveling in the same self confidence she had as a teenager. She seems kind of sad somehow. I do wonder if Jay has possibly clipped away at her in some manner.

Believe me, I would never call Jay a saint :). He strikes me as a shallow, inflexible person who can't laugh at himself. I don't know that I'd enjoy Kristin's company in real life, but I can respect the hustle of someone who took what likely would have been a fleeting 15 minutes of fame into 15+ years of acting, modeling, hostessing and sales. But I just disagree that UJ is raking in close to what Jay made, or that it ever will. I also don't think it will achieve any level of success once Kristin is not relevant in pop culture- I think people shop there for the ties to Kristin, not the products themselves. This leads to the rub- in order to move her products, Kristin has to maintain her relevance in the entertainment world. That is essentially two not even full time, but ALL the time jobs (running a business and chasing/maintaining fame).

Oooh, something tells me this divorce proceeding is going to get quite nasty. For their kids' sakes I hope not, but I have a feeling there will be pettiness and mud slinging abound before this is finalized. ETA: While I do think the majority of the household income is earned by Jay, that doesn't mean I don't think Kristin is entitled to some of it. While she was never going to be a Reese Witherspoon, I think there were probably some paying projects she turned down in order to play homemaker to their kids, which seemed like that was always what Jay was pressuring her to be. These two were both idiots to get married and have kids, knowing they had such fundamental compatibility issues.

Yes, even if Jay is no longer earning a paycheck from the NFL, even a moderate return rate (of course, who knows what a moderate return rate in the wake of Covid19 will be) of the millions he has likely earns a six figure interest income with him doing absolutely nothing. I doubt that $50+ million is just sitting in a checking account somewhere. ETA: not saying it's impossible UJ is turning a profit. It may well be. But I think Jay has always been the primary contributor to the family's bottom line.

I don't think Leah was into either one of them. The thing she liked about both of them was how much they liked her- at least in the beginning- IMO. They both love bombed her in the beginning, and Leah took the constant attention and validation for granted. I think she wanted to keep that kind of adoration-on-tap on backburner while she continued to pursue a guy she actually was into, and it didn't work out that way.

Didn't you read the excerpts? The truth did come out :). Any shortcoming of Leah's is the fault of Dawn, her father, Corey, Jeremy, Miranda, and the judgmental viewers.

Oh wow, that house is beautiful. Is that the one everyone is making fun of for being garish? I guess maybe I have bad taste. I really like it.

Are the court documents still available even if they aren't trending? Every where I look just says the "inside source" says this is what's going on. Not disputing it, I'm just nosy. ETA: it won't be shocking to me if Jay Cutler is being uncooperative, I'm just morbidly curious. So, let me see if I have this real estate saga correct: 1. Jay owns a house prior to marriage, this is sadly the internet-less house, located somewhere in TN 2. They buy a house in TN, which is now for sale. This is their main house 3. They commit to buying a Four Seasons condo on a development that has not yet broken ground, located in Nashville 4. Jay and Kristin talk of separating in fall 2019, and they agree she will buy her own house in plans to live separately 5. They table separation talk for 3-4 months, then decide to just divorce, at which time Jay Cutler balks at the house purchase This is all very weird to me. Maybe it's just because I am not a millionaire, but generally the time to buy an expensive asset or enter into a long term mortgage or other large debt is not right before a divorce. Kristin couldn't have gotten a short term rental and then bought something once the divorce is finalized? Why would she even want to buy something now? Even if she buys it in her name only, it would probably end up as either a joint marital asset or would count against her share of the joint marital assets. Very strange.