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Wayne, I need multiple thumbs ups or your comment. At least Jeff finally admitted that Malia's nonsensical role (feral girl suddenly in high school taking advanced math) is something he hoped audiences would gloss over as TV logic. You'd think most creators would be thrilled people love their show enough to get invested in the story, but it looks like he actually wishes we didn't care quite as much. Don't make it come true, man.

I had missed that, too—go Lydia! (Or, perhaps, Holland. ;-) I love Price's recaps. I'm over there as Troublemaker.

This doesn't even make sense with this season's plot. The assassin in the open told Kate that The Benefactor only deals with people electronically. Whatever Fagin taught these kids to use a decapitating garrote should have taught them to open a Cayman Islands account for receiving transfers. But for the sake of narrative convenience The Benefactor is willing to do cash drops just for these kids? And you're right—school gym locker is about the worst place to keep it.

In season one Derek said he had human family members die in the fire. Ha! They had on a guy with no mouth who ate through a tube in his neck and didn't explain one bit of that! Sorry, but this show ignores plenty.

Bruinsfan—true. One of the biggest problems with the Hunters is that they don't bother knowing about the "how werewolves control themselves" side, they just kill the ones out of control. Or that date their daughters. I think most of them don't believe werewolves CAN control themselves unless, like Chris, they start spending an extended amount of time around them. lion10, that's why Hunters that turn kill themselves—they don't know how to learn control. But if they don't do it themselves, the other Hunters are supposed to do it for them. And Gerard CHOSE the Bite, which is an abomination in their eyes. So why is he alive while Victoria is dead? Why wouldn't Kate be put down with extreme prejudice? At the very least, they have murdered, which is the basic threshold for being targeted.

This really bothered me, too. Sometimes the hunter "rule" is supernatural creature = death, like the flashback!Argent in the motel, Victoria Argent, or Kate with the Calaveras. But sometimes the rule is "lock them away"? Although both Gerard and Kate have turned out to be far more evil than flashback!Argent or Victoria would likely have been, and even more deserving of death? I don't get it. I wonder if the place Chris mentioned to Derek is the facility where he has Gerard.

Actually, he slammed Stiles' head into a steering wheel because Stiles was an absolute dick about pimping him out to strip in front of Danny in a situation where Derek had no power (suspected of murder. Again). Talk about a switching genders, if Stiles had had Lydia or Allison do a striptease to manipulate someone, he would have earned himself a smack from either of them, too. (And then Derek immediately afterwards saved Stiles' life from rogueAlpha!Peter.) That is actually the definition of non-con, and no one (that I know of) has accused Malia of that. Dubious consent is a situation where there is not clear, enthusiastic consent from both sides. From what was shown in that one scene where Stiles was talking to Scott, it looked extremely questionable. It is very common for sexually inexperienced people to not speak up when they are not 100% on board with what's happening because, well, they do want sex (even if it's not exactly the way they wanted it), or they don't want to hurt the other person's feelings in an intimate situation, or they're overwhelmed in the situation—a multitude of factors can apply that don't apply in the way they act with others normally. However just because Stiles didn't speak up to Malia doesn't mean he was happy about the midnight visits, the injuries, or the spooning. This is what many of us saw in that scene.However, I acknowledged (and others on this board have acknowledged) that from the way that Malia and Stiles were portrayed in the next episode, it appears that it is not Jeff's intention to portray their relationship that way, and no one that I know of on this board is currently accusing Malia of dub-con. Nor do I know of anyone in this community piling on to Malia's characterization exclusively. In fact, it's Scott's mysteriously absent alpha powers that are getting the majority of commenters' ire with the writers right now. Yes, Teen Wolf is full of characterization driven by plot necessities rather than logic or consistency. Malia bore the brunt of it for the first few eps of the season, and now Scott is getting it, and surely another character will be placed in a ridiculous situation within the next few weeks. We bitch because we love. :-) ETA: ElleryAnne, you beat me to the post!

That's Liam's stepdad, so I'm hoping for a lot more of him! (And I hope he's not like Malia's invisible dad who should be providing all sorts of drama with his weirdly feral daughter back home, but has been dropped completely. Last season they took Malia back to the house and then forgot about her and her dad completely for most of the season. Now she's all pack, all the time and no family life. Argh!)

I get the feeling that this is another case where the writers want us to feel things about the characters that aren't earned. "The alpha twins are woobies, and it's okay for them to date Lydia and Danny!" "Malia is so funny because she's feral (when it fits the scene)!" "Oh, we'd better get it out to the fans that the assassins are orphans so that they'll be with us when we do the character turnaround, and then wrench the heart strings by killing them."

We're assuming the Benefactor was behind the Hale bearer bond heist. It would make (cruel) sense as a way to fund the deadpool assassination payouts. But it could be just have been a way to make the Hales feel the financial pinch, just like the other families are this season. Over here in the spoiler thread for two things ... 1) What do you think of the teenaged assassins? It's pretty hardcore for freshmen. But the actors on Wolf Watch said that their characters were orphans. They may develop into empathetic characters? (I should have had more empathy for the alpha twins when we found out they'd been abused by their former pack, but I had already seen them sadistically attack our pack and couldn't warm up to them.) (Why did the pre-s4 publicity make a big deal about the three new freshmen hunks they were adding to the cast and not mention Violet? Considering the flack the show gets about women and characters of color, you'd think they could have promoted Braeden's bigger role this season, and the addition of Samantha Logan.) 2) The next episode is called I.E.D. Parrish has specifically mentioned his military experience with I.E.D.s twice, including this week. I'm hoping he has some prominent role in the next ep.

There was some pretty contrived plotting to fill the hour, from Scott's inexplicable weakness and forgetting his Alpha roar, to Scott and Stiles not explaining things to Liam until the end of the ep, to Stiles deciding that Malia wasn't going to hurt him (which works because DO is a star of the show so of course he won't be killed, but doesn't make sense compared to the number of times Stiles has had to be saved from werewolves on a rampage). As creaky as the writing was, I did like: - the humor in general (Kira on the stairs was the best use of slo-mo in the entire series, terrorized Liam not so funny) - Derek and the Sheriff (and Parrish) - the return of Chris Argent - Lydia finding a clue about her family background, as well as building on her experiences to solve the current puzzle Put me in the camp that says the numbers on the deadpool list are odds, not dollars. The wendingos and the beer werewolf went down pretty easily—it makes sense that it's 250 to 1 odds that they'd survive. While our heroes? Have proven to be pretty hard to kill so far. And Scott, Scott, Scott... - Rampaging kanima!Jackson, knocked out and tied up. You're on watch but make out with Allison. Jackson breaks free and escapes. - Rampaging werewolf!Liam, knocked out and tied up. You're on watch but make out with Kira. Liam breaks free and escapes. He's really not the sharpest fang on the wolf. At this point I'm thinking the ash pills plot against Gerard was ALL Deaton.

Why didn't they have Coach mention him as one of the great players they've lost? You'd think TW would have learned from the blowback when they didn't invite Keahu to ComicCon and fans went nuts when he showed up anyway. I would have liked to see Danny open up a computer programming business, with the sheriff and the pack hiring him after hours for hacking. But if he's gone, at least have a line that his huna auntie said werewolves were one thing but a nogitsune was a step to far and they were moving back to Hawaii, or something.

>:-((((((((

The first episode of Teen Wolf was the first day of lacrosse practice (actual team, after try outs) their sophomore year, and now they're at lacrosse try outs their junior year. So it's just shy of a year, January 2012. For all that Jeff screws up the backstory timeline all the time, the show timeline has been pretty straightforward: s1 in January 2011 with the winter formal, s2 nearer the end of the spring semester with the lacrosse semi-finals, the break skipping over summer, s3A at the start of the school year through Halloween, and s3B taking place later in the fall 2011 semester, with Stiles in danger of freezing if they didn't find him.

I have to say the song they used in all their s4 promotional videos hooked me instantly. Very hot!

I agree that by now this seems to be TW's intention. But on first, second, third, fourth, etc., viewing, when Stiles is complaining to Scott he clearly looks and sounds uncomfortable/frustrated/in pain to me. And he's pretty self knowledgeable and accepting about not being the macho stud type—I wouldn't buy him having issues with Malia taking the lead. He rolls (with Heather, Caitlin, Malia) with not being the initiator pretty easily. Any upset Stiles had I took to be upset grounded in the facts. I'm just going to handwave that Scott took Malia aside sometime between last ep and this and said, "Claws in bed are no bueno. Humans don't heal like us, so ease up." But then I really don't trust EPs ever since Stargate Atlantis. They wrote a character who had a drug that made people compliant and worship him, and he used it to create a harem of "wives" for himself. Viewers freaked about the date rape story line, and TPTB didn't get it. Even as late as the DVD commentary, one of the EPs said, "Our guest actor played this part with a slightly dark edge and I'm not sure why. It's such a funny, light episode." Otherwise with Malia, I am enjoying her verbal interactions with everyone. The writing is a little wonky to push the comedy (feral girl disco dances, makes bets, and teachers call on her in regular class when she's a special needs student), but that's par for the course. I think Shelley's playing what they give her well.

Hrm. The only highly anticipated hookup for me is Scott/Kira, when he's ready to move on. But I don't think that was in the trailer. I'm okay with Derek/Braeden, though I'd like it to develop, not just jump in. Stiles/Malia I have no desire to watch after his pained description of it to Scott. Watching Stiles with a strong woman who flummoxes him? Cute. Watching Stiles with a strong woman who runs roughshod (literally) over any and all boundaries? Ew.

Stiles has certainly thrown himself into the thick of it with the werewolves. He nearly got slashed when Malia learned to pop her claws, but he is still helping her. He's also an athlete in a fairly rough sport. I think he expects a few knocks in those situations, though he's also good at bringing chains, dodging, scooting out of range, or otherwise protecting himself as needed. Intimacy/sex/sleeping together is a different context, though, emotionally than training, and physically a more difficult environment to dodge away in. (Hence the injuries.) The bitter sarcasm in his voice when he says, "yeah, right on, right?" Is telling. He really doesn't like the stalking and the roughness. I was throwing out multiple ideas as to why he might not be flat out stopping Malia. It may not be out and out fear, but he does tend to be somewhat cautious around the werewolves. Or it could be that he just doesn't want to hurt her feelings by saying, "You don't do sex right." The upshot is, he's in a situation he's not happy about.

It's true Heather's advance was very sudden and, er, utilitarian. You could kind of see Stiles jump to hold back his first instinct, like, Date? Be a gentleman? Um? But he did get on board pretty quickly. And I was okay with the idea that that would punch his V card, because she was an old friend he'd known since toddlerhood. She was trusted and safe. She was human. They didn't have much of a power differential—he had some strength advantage as a taller, human male athlete, and she had some emotional advantage as the one who had set it up and was calling the shots. RIP Heather, dammit. I agree he is trying to be supportive, and I think he may be enamored of the idea of being in a relationship more than how the the actual relationship is manifesting. You know how people often go into a relationship saying, "Oh, I can change him/her?" He is overtly working to change her! He may also be somewhat physically intimidated by her aggression and her capacity to do him real harm if she loses control.

Greenbean, rewatch the scene and listen to Stiles' voice and watch his face. I transcribed for another site, and from his voice and his expressions Stiles is clearly upset about the whole thing—not at all happy with the situation. Even if it's true there is no sex (though it's strongly implied), this is still invasive, intimidating, and abusive. Stiles: It's 2:00 in the morning. I wake up and she's just lying right next to me. She just sneaks in. This is like five times a week. And then what happens—this. [grimaces and shows scratches/bruises] Scott: Holy … [clearly shocked] Stiles: Yeah, right on, right? [sarcastically] [Here the camera cuts away and fades back in on them a few minutes later coming around the corner where we rejoin the conversation. We don't know what was said in between.] …and after that, we spent the rest of the night spooning. Scott: Well that sounds okay. Stiles: Yeah, but I'm always the little spoon. Always. [disturbed] Scott: Well this means you guys are together, right? You're dating? [Here the script takes a sudden turn into "we have to advance the plot" land.] Stiles: Sometimes the way she looks at me I think she knows I'm not telling her something. Scott: You mean Peter? Stiles: We gotta tell her, Scott, Scott: Yeah, I just … I don't know how.

They showed bb!Derek flashing his eyes at Deaton, though, and they were blue. That and the fact that he knew Kate showed that he was post-Paige. So this sudden change back to gold is weird. (I liked the old, contacts+effects gold better than this all-CGI yellow.)

It is unknown whether Stiles is verbally protesting to Malia or whether he is just not saying No. But from his visible unhappiness with the situation, he is clearly not enthusiastically consenting to everything going on. Watch the scene again. Maybe Stiles thinks Malia's pretty and maybe he likes finally getting to have sex like all his friends. But. His ideal girlfriend would probably call or text ahead, come in through the front door, say hi to his dad once in a while, go on the occasional date. She'd have sex with him without leaving him sore for days. She might stay over and cuddle but not make him feel trapped. Even if someone says Yes to sex, they have the right to change that answer to No. (Say, if they're getting scratched and bruised up.) Many people don't, though, because they feel like they already said Yes, because they don't want to hurt the other person's feelings, because they feel physically intimidated, or because they feel like, "Oh, well, I wanted sex. I asked for it." Young/sexually inexperienced people are especially vulnerable to this, which is why statutory rape is illegal. They're also capable of unknowingly doing it to each other, which is why enthusiastic consent is the best standard all parties should abide by. Unfortunately Malia doesn't have the social training to stop in the middle and say, "Hey, are you okay with this?" "Well, if you could just pull your claws in ..."

I was disturbed the first time I watched the scene where Stiles tells Scott about Malia sneaking in. I just rewatched it and it's even worse than I remembered. Listen to Stiles and watch his face. He is complaining that Malia is sneaking into his house at night, he is in pain from whatever marks she left on his back (even Scott winces at the sight), and he is upset that he is essentially being pinned down the whole night by someone he isn't physically capable of throwing off. If a girl was complaining about a guy pressuring her like that and showing her friends the scratches/bruises, they'd be telling her to get the hell out of that situation, not saying, "Oh, so you're dating now?" And then for plot purposes the script has to segue into "we haven't told her about Peter"—as if that's really the issue here. BTW, I agree that it is strongly implied that the injuries are sustained during rough sex. Even if they weren't, the rest of the situation is still creepy and abusive.

Naw, he was sleeping on the couch. It sounds like he's trying to get back into Scott's good graces by doing some maintenance work on the house for them. There was a billing envelope from the asylum stamped with Second Notice, meaning that the bill for Stiles' stay is past due. Hee! Truth! Bearer bonds =/= US Treasury Bonds. Bearer bonds can be issued by any company, corporation, or government entity, and are payable at face value when presented, which makes them easily storable and cashable. Keeping the entire Hale family fortune in one place? Not so smart!

I think sound editing neglected to put in a bone crack noise when Scott got tossed over the stair railing. We saw Malia's leg get slashed and we saw Kira get concussed, but for Scott to be lying around on the ground during a fight, they needed to make clear he was injured. Otherwise, it's way too out of character. (I did really like Scott's hero worship look when Kira jumped in front of him to face down the berserkers. "My (once and future) girlfriend is AWESOME!" And then his upset when she was injured. <3) Loved Stiles and "Miguel" versus Agent McCall, loved Papa Stilinski freaked out by magical shenanigans, loved seeing Mr. Yukimura again, loved Kira and Lydia developing a friendship, loved Deputy Parrish being nice to young Derek, loved Malia versus Peter and Peter versus Kate, loved that Kate thought she was so smart with her convoluted plan and she was just wrong in her entire premise. Hated Mr. Yukimura embarrassing Malia in class, hated Malia's dubious consent nighttime visits to Stiles, HATED Kate macking on bb!Derek! I had to close my eyes during that.