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So, I get that you can't expect everyone to make reasonable descisions in a zombie apocalypse, but this episode it was clearly a contest on how to get killed in the most stupid way possible. So, I know that Carol has an issue with Morgan because of the guy he is trying to teach not to kill anymore, but when all hell broke loose (that is the walkers were right in town), the top priority was still to run over there to kill that guy, seriously? That guy could have stayed locked up there until this was over, but she couldn't let it go for 2 seconds, and had to risk everybody's life because of it? Congrats Carol for being such a crazy, selfish bi***! And ok, Ron is pissed and want's to shoot Carl. But after they are trapped in the house with all of the walkers outside he still tries to go through with it, letting the walkers in accidentially, really? How stupid can that boy get? And I also get that Sam is kind of traumatized, but you can't tell me that his mother can't explain to him to shut the f*** up before leaving the house, or, if he fails to do so, cover his mouth instantly, or give him a small sign to shut up, before he shouts "Mom" inbetween the walkers 3 times, so they all might get eaten up. Sometimes it seems some peolpe are just to dumb to stay alive.

My theory is that Serge warned Lena on their way down in the woods that Milan wants him to kill her, and so he just made it look like he was shooting her (maybe a fake bullet or something), but Milan got the clue, and so he stabbed her.

Since I have already seen it So keep watching, that's all I'm saying. :)

It's on couchtuner, in French with English subs, but I wouldn't recommend watching it if you don't understand French, because the English subs are horrible, and clearly made by somebody who's English is pretty bad, sometimes the subs say the complete opposite of the real dialogue, sometimes dialogue is left out completely, unfortunately.

I have seen the finale already, and I really liked it, the whole second (and obviously final) season is definetly worth watching. Of course you can't expect from a show like that to get every question answered, every mystery solved and the fate of every character made a 100% clear in the finale, that's just impossible, and was never the intention of that show in my opinion. But compared to let's say "Lost" you are served more than well. To me the final conclusion was definetly satisfying, altough it leaves room for interpretation. There ist one really clever twist in the final episode that connects it to the first episode of S1, from which we get to know how The Returned got there in the first place, but obiously I'm not going to spoil anything here, that would be unfair. I'm just saying so much that one scene in the finale actually made me tear up in front of the screen, and that doesn't happen very often to me, so I'm good with the finale.

Generally, I have to say the season started out promising, I very much liked the first two episodes. And although Enid's story was just laid out with some flashbacks in a few minutes, and we know virtually nothing else about her, and maybe never will, I cared more about her than about any main character on FOTWD, and that says it all, thank God TWD is back! So, shouldn't the horde of walkers be heading straight to Alexandria and arriving any minute? Shouldn't Morgan be running around warning people to be prepared or to leave, did I miss something?

You're right, but I didn't mind that much when it came to Buffy and Willow, because I could always feel their inner struggle and pain, the story centered around their failures and irresposibilities. Xander, on the other Hand, was just there and failed, on a regular basis. I didn't know that Whedon might have said to NB that he was done with Xander as a character so early, but looking back it kind of makes sense. On the other hand, if you are done with a character, then you better kill him off in a dramatic and heartbreaking way, to give him the credit he deserves, BTVS didn't have any major character deaths (besides Buffy dying twice and coming back every time) anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I'm totally there with you, and I agree with all the points you made. In fact, I don't hate Xander at all, I just started to get tired of him lately, as I said. The main reason not being that he wanted to see Angel dead, or that he left Anya at the altar, but that he is that kind of personality that takes exactly zero responsibilitiy for his descisions and actions, besides admitting that he has been a fool and screwed up, again. He is that kind of guy that is so "unfortunate", beacause bad things just "happen" to him all the time, when in fact it was his choice every time all along, screwing up the life of people around him as well. And while I maybe could relate to that as a teenager, I'm rather tired of that kind of behaviour more than 10 years later, especially of grown up Xander.

I have to say I was ok with the story of the ending itself, though it was really sad and I was never a big fan of Ted and Robin. It was life, bad things can happen in life, Ted met his perfect match, his soulmate, but then some day she died. And after years of grief, who else would he date, if he starts dating again, but Robin? What really upset me though is the way the story was told in the end, which in my opinion showed a lack of respect for the audience, the characters and the idea of the show itself. I mean after 9 years in the making, Ted and Tracy finally meet, and the scene was really beautifully done, not too cheesy but special. And then cut, and now she's dead, but you have the hots for aunt Robin dad, oh by the way, you just told us a story about Robin an you, mom had nothing to do with it. Wow, THAT was a real slap in the face! I still skip that scene every time I see it. I mean I get what they were doing there, and if the show had lastet for only 3 or 4 seasons, this might have actually worked. They obviously wanted to show us how clever they were, because they knew how it would end all along, but that failed completely. Sometimes you have to get rid of your "love child" as a writer and producer, they should have cut that scene out, but they obviously couldn't. They also underestimated the amount of chemistry that Josh and Christin had on screen and how popular the mother, that they never really planned on introducing in the first place, would get. It would have been much better if they had left that crap scene with the kids out, and broke our hearts by directly cutting from the Train station to the cementry, with something like "that's how I met your mother....and then I lost her". They should have given the audience the time, and if it's only 5 minutes, to grieve with Ted, to let her go, talk to her at her grave, show us that it's hard for him, and maybe have Lily or somebody else encourage him to date again, and of course it's Robin, that's fine with me, they still oculd have gone full circle with the blue horn, why not. I don't agree with those who say that the ending ruined rewatching the show ever again for them, that's abosulety not true, still the way the filmed the ending was, like I said, to some degree a slap in the face for the audience.

I totally agree with you. The first few episodes of seasons 7 are one of my favourite parts of the whole show too. One of my favourite scenes ever is the one where The First haunts Spike in the basement of Sunnydale High at the end of the first episode, and morphs into every big villain there ever was on the show, and finally into Buffy, with the closing line: "It's not about right. Not about wrong. It's about power." Chills!!! I absolutely loved the idea of The First at the beginning, an enemy that could not be seen or touched, that could trick your mind, and "from beneath you it devours", it created a great atmosphere of darkness and fear. And there where a lot of good moments an episodes, very personal stuff that made the show great, like Spike's return and confession to have a soul (the scene in the curch hanging over the cross), like Willow returning, like Anya being back in the world of vengeance (and a glimpse into her past) and her face-off with Buffy, like "Conversations with Dead People". Unfortunatly, and I agree with you on that too, that touch got completely lost in last 2/3rds of the season. It wasn't about the gang anymore, it was about one last epic fight, a battle of armies, or whatever. I was really disappointed when I first watched it back then, and I still am. I guess Joss Whedon thought he had to create something that even trumps all other battles and finales, I mean Buffy already died twice and the world alomst ended every season. But it got into some superhero comics direction that lacked the personal touch the show always had, at least to me. And by the way, if you are not that much into comics, but you love the show, don't read the Buffy comics, seriously DON'T, it only get's worse in them. I have read them for a while, because naturally I was curious on how the story would go on after the finale, and at first it was ok to find out about it, but after a while it was just *bumm*, *bang* *pow* with hilariously stupid storylines. I don't want to give away anything, I'll just say so much that I stopped reading them after Buffy and Angel have a screw-marathon while flying in some alternate dimension, which could destroy the earth, or something, I don't remember precisely anymore.

Having recently rewatched a a lot of episodes from different seasons, I have to say that I started to get really tired of Xander, so maybe that's an unpopular opinion, or not, I don't know. I mean he has his moments, and very funny lines, I wouldn't wanna miss them, but I got really tired of him lately. First of all the whole "I hate Angel, and want to see him dead" behaviour really had it's low points throughout the first 3 seasons. Then he has the hots for every girl around him, and I mean really literally every! girl at some point, Buffy, Willow, Cordelia, Anya, Faith, and even Dawn, seems like every girl is his type, and it's not always about sex alone. And while his behaviour was at least somehow funny and understandable as a teenager, it really turned extremely pathetic later on, the low point maybe leaving Anya at the altar, and not meaning it afterwards, but bringing up the marriage and proposing all by himself in the first place. Sometimes I got the impression they had to make him screw up that much, and portray him as a goofy likable (not in my opnion) loser, because they didn't know what else to do with the character. Don't get me wrong, I know he is good hearted and he was always there for the gang, but still...

I could bring up a lot of points on why I don't really care about this show the way I do with other shows, be it the characters themselves being stupid assholes nobody really roots for (getting probably thousends of people killed by releasing zombies and opening the fence without warning anybody, great), be it that it's, at least in my opnion, not what it was promoted to be (we didn't see civilisation fall apart), or the really lazy writing and poor acting (partly). But the main point why I'm not so sure if I will give season 2 a try is that the show has basically become TWD 2.0 at this point, or if you will TWD Los Angeles, like there are numerous CSI spin-offs nobody needs. I mean where is the difference? Small group trying to survive after the apocalypse, that already happened (thank you show!), only this time it's two (patchwork)-families, wow. I mean 6 episodes, ok, but a full season? And at the end the try a cheap, are there water-zombies now, ciffhanger? I'm not sure I care, or how this will be relevant in any way to the story. I think I stick to TWD, Atlanta. Maybe there will be TWD New York or Chicago next year, or NavyTWD. :)

And the other squad went in there for what? Supplies? No, they still had plenty as we know. To rescue somebody? No, they were planning on leaving everybody behind the next day and evacuate without civilians. Obviously they went in for the fun of shooting zombies and getting killed in the process. I was in the military myself, what is shown on that show is a load of crap, or to be more specific the fantasy of teenage minded writers and producers of how stupid and evil the military get's in just a few days into apocalypse, because that's just what the always do.

Still that doesn't make any sense at all. It's probably not the best way to keep soldiers "occupied" by risking their lives storming in every building full of walkers. That unit would fall apart in no time in reality, because getting everybody killed for no reason at all in an extremly dumb way is not that good for moral too. They know they are going to evacuate soon, but still they go on "suicide missions" that rescue nobody and help to accomplish nothing, I mean why not kill themselves right away once and for all? Dumbest military ever in that show.

You did great, thank you for your reply. :) In fact the details don't bother me most of the time on TWD, and it's true that we don't have to know them all, because the show's focus lies on the survivors (which is great). What I can't accept that easily though is that FOTWD doesn't even cover the most basic questions, like how this thing spreads, which in fact would be a key to the plot, because it influences the response, actions and descisions of everybody. So for me it's rather a FOTWD issue now than a TWD issue, as I thought we at least would get some answers there, but that's rather a topic for the FOTWD discussion.