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Watch the scene again before calling her a hypocrit. There's a difference between spontaneous self-defense (and torturing people to obtain information) and torturing people just to feel satisfaction. Andy is a bigot like Jace. His advantage? He has powers. His disadvantage? He is easy to manipulate. None of the two is Caitlin's fault.

The Frosts' real purpose was to divide the mutants and headhunt for those they managed to manipulate, not to make the mission easy for them. But you're right in principle: whenever telepaths are introduced, plot holes are bound to appear. And I get that it's popular to accuse the Struckers of hypocrisy and all other evils of the world, but they didn't kill any of the attackers. Needless to say, there's a huge difference between self-defense against invaders and shooting a plane where apart from villains there are neutral civilians. Like other posters say, the villains could have been kidnapped, but, again, that's not what the Frosts wanted.

I feel that Marcos and Caitlin have connected from the very beginning and I don't necessarily mean in a sexual way. These are two people who share something, understand each other and don't fight against each other. Perfect pairing. ;) Can they at least be close friends in season 2? Especially now that Lorna is a gratuitous bitch/bot/fashionista and Reed remains boring? The writers so far completely failed Caitlin, so they might just as well start writing her as an individual, not a concerned mommy/wife.

Ultimately it's Reed who decides about everything and she agrees., but is it because she believes in his approach? I don't think so. Her body language in episode 11 is very telling. That's what'so irritating in this show: the inept writers fashioned Caitlin into an obedient housewife type; when Reed was not around, she did fine and was allowed to grow and have agency. Meanwhile Reed gets the juicy bits, but they are wasted because they don't influence the character in a meaningful way and Moyer is awful. I hope (wishful thinking, I know) they get separated by the end of this season,, but I'm afraid her character will be sacrificed to please fanboys who are only interested in powers. I'm not so sure about that. Basically, he spoke on his own behalf. He clearly likes Caitlin and seems protective towards her. From what the parents say, they are under no illusion that running away will solve the problem. They do listen to the children, with good and bad consequences. The events of the last episodes basically confirm the kids are not ready to fight and should not be part of the confrontation. Also, they aided and abetted mutants so the "kids are the ones being hunted" argument makes little difference.

I'm "very tired" of the hate she's been getting. It was mostly Reed's decision, not hers (because in this stupid show the manly man has to have the upper hand, I guess LOL). A decision made also because people at the MU don't want them there. And you still wonder why the parents want to leave?

It doesn't matter what we think: the show established early on that very few mutants are ready to fight. This might change soon, of course. Their conversation before the capture wasn't exactly about consoling and, again, had zero effect on the proceedings. As to Caitlin's reaction, the heightened drama is perfectly understandable - at this point in the show she knows about health risks connected with doing mutant stuff (the kid she's treated at the compound) and the experiments on mutants (Chloe).

They have a lot of mutants, but those mutants are reluctant to fight - it was already established in one of the early episodes when the core crew planned to recover Lorna. Reed's consoling of the wife had zero effect on the safety of the mission. By then the four mutants were already captured.

In defense of Lorna, most people would probably feel that way given the situation: she's under pressure, pregnant and vulnerable. In the first episodes the show tried to push the narrative that mutants are perfect and humans are vile and I'm glad to see a more nuanced approach. Ain't that true. :) If Esme is indeed then her attempt at charming a non-mutant (a hypothetical weak link) would make even more sense. The scene was also a sad reminder how little character development there has been for Caitlin on the show. We know almost nothing about her past and Acker, easily the best actor here, is burdened with atrocious lines. Ugh.

Unfortunately, Moyer seems to be incapable of doing more than his "vaguely-menacing-stoic-grave-on-the-verge-of-some-emotion-probably" routine and Barry wasn't much better. I felt this sequence required a lot of mutual resentment and shock, and ultimately maybe a bit of relief that although the father's effort was misguided, it was actually motivated by an attempt to do good. The creators had plenty of time to establish those things in the pilot of the series. Instead, they opted for an extended scene with the mutants on the run. I will probably be proven wrong, but I think that one the most important twists in the series will be about Lauren going evil, precisely because she's sweet and beautiful and we know almost nothing about her. We do get glimpses of her being bossy or a bit too smart for her own good (or maybe the actress lacks subtlety? I still don't know what to think about the "kick" scene).

Frankly, that kind of training won't be enough to save the mutants. I like Lorna, but at this point in the story she is no less hypocritical than Marcos. Just because she has powers, she shouldn't be absolved each time she does stupid things. Meanwhile, Caitlin does good work for the community and actually progresses as a character.

Petty theft in order to survive is understandable. Ransacking jewelry stores on a regular basis, in the capacity of a gang member, is another story altogether. Pretending that only the former happened is not good at all so yeah, the parents should be judgmental about it.

I think you've just pinpointed the biggest problem with the show. It seems to me that none of the actors are given a lot to work with.

Before "The Gifted" I never seen Moyer in anything, but even though he doesn't seem to be a great actor (to put it mildly), he is still much better than the actors playing mutants. I agree that Dumont is a perfect choice for Lorna, but even she disappointed me in this episode when a more subtle and layered performance was needed. And I so much agree with the bolded part. Acker's character has been criminally underused so far and written awkwardly most of the time. I'm glad that Caitlin was finally given an opportunity to talk to Reed and remind him that it was their ignorance and blindness that pushed Lauren away. That conversation proves she's far from being a naive, entitled hypocrite people make her to be.

Well said. This is an important distinction. Combat sounds much worse than defense. People are so happy to judge Caitlin, but in my opinion her response to the situation is far from naive.

The actions themselves are extremely questionable, but Dreamer's reasons are certainly justifiable, even if morally in the grey area. In this sense Dreamer is like everyone else in the story.

Dreamer is certainly controversial, but she does the terrible things because she is told to do them by the mutant team, so I find it a tad unfair that she's the only one people blame. By the way, I predict Blink will decide to leave the compound.

Good points. So far I like the show's characters because their choices may be messy, even irritating, but they're very much in character and are usually made under heavy pressure and for good reasons.

This is absurd but then the premise of most superhero/mutant shows is absurd, but necessary to justify the drama. For example, if we accept the idea that Polaris can kill everyone all the time, there is no show. They were sure that the mutants' powers were disabled for good. Can't argue with this. LOL No fair picking on the mom for doing what she should be doing, i.e. trying to protect her kids. Had she encouraged the team to use the kids as much as possible, people would have called her out on being a bad mom. Ultimately, she and the kids proved instrumental to the success of the mission. Team work! :)

I wouldn't because even though I like her very much, her powers are not enough to make the show interesting. I'm very curious how they're going to develop that character. I don't mind angst at all, especially in a show about mutants, but I completely agree that the execution of that story line was mindnumbingly boring. LOL Honestly, the first part of this episode was terribly paced/directed. I couldn't wait for the cartel segment to end. I'm not feeling the chemistry between Blink and John either. Heck, there's more chemistry between John the mentor and Lauren, and Caitlin and Marcos are effortlessly BFFs. I also like the scenes in which the mom and the daughter, you know, discuss things and listen to each other and respect each other's arguments. I have high hopes for the next few episodes: I want those characters to be fleshed out, to truly interact with one another. I want Lorna to teach Andy a few lessons, and maybe get some medical advice from the nurse and start taking some iron supplements. :) My guess is that the mutants will want to expel Reed.

I was thinking the same thing. The deck is all set, it seems.

Well, I certainly refuse to acknowledge the idea that fans are happy about actors losing jobs, specifically. Some of the fandom has been very angry, but not unreasonable.

Not fair towards those fans who simply didn't want the show to return without one of its principal actors. Personally, I'm glad ABC got cold feet.

Quite apart from what would satisfy the actors, I would like to see some episodes happening on the European continent. Such a rich tradition of all things occult, secret societies, crop circles, places of geomantic power: what's not to love!

I'm glad the actors are busy this year: this might mean more time for the writers to come up with something coherent in season 11.

Sure, but Morgan's comment does not invalidate the above quoted interpretation.