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I enjoyed that episode a lot. This was not a section of the book I loved, mainly because I have never been a fan of Jenny and I did not like her much this episode. But overall I liked the episode. Ian was great - his conversation with Claire was nice. Loved drunk Jamie! Claire's "annoyance" at him then her little smile of happiness were perfect. I also always enjoyed in the book where Claire was telling Jamie of the future, so appreciated the scene about the aeroplanes and elephants. As someone up thread mentioned it would have had more impact had the stones scene been handled better and Jamie seen Claire about to pass through, but I think I am just going to have to let go of that so I can enjoyed the show as it is. Randall is all kinds of sadistic man, and Menzies plays him well, when he put his finger in Jenny's mouth he was very creepy. Having said that I agree with SpiritSong, I don't find, rape, torture and sadism entertaining either so I am more looking forward to season two when our main characters are not tormented that way so much. I doubt I will be able to watch any of Randall abusing Jamie, its not something I have any desire to see, it was bad enough reading it once.

It is defiantly a good mixture. The first novel to me is more romance with a bit of sci-fi and historical fiction thrown in, but the second one is more historical fiction as are the later novels. They are very hard to classify. If it helps I don't like romance either, I much prefer biographies, but these didn't feel solely romance, its there for sure (but easy to skip over) but there is a good deal of historical fiction and sci-fi in there to keep everyone happy, in fact those are the moments I enjoy most in the series as opposed to the romance. Sorry not sure I actually helped!

Hmm so I had been looking forward to the big reveal since the start of this show and it was ok. I think reading the books after the first half of the season might have ruined this show a little bit for me. It just didn't quite get there emotionally for me. The trial was good and I loved Lotte in this episode, for a character who I know is all kinds of shady (not to mention what she does to Young Ian) she made me feel sorry for her. Her sacrifice for Claire was well handled, I liked that part far better than the books. I also liked the change of Gellis being the one to tell Claire she was from 1968 as opposed to Dougal doing it later on, a good one. I can buy that Claire would not put all the dots together until she saw the small pox vaccine scar too, that was one emotionally charged court room, I feel she was starting to get it when the gun went off (what was that about anyway?). Laoghaire I hate more on screen than I ever did in the books, the writers and actress are doing an awesome job making me despise her. Not sure how they will sell Jamie's marriage to her further down the road but we are a ways away from that point. Claire finally telling Jamie the truth I liked. Its not a stretch for Jamie not to need proof from Claire, I think he has seen enough of her manner and ways to know there is something odd about her, and for him to trust her implicitly no matter what, shows how much he cares for her. The scene at the stones on the other hand I am not sure of. It was ok, but if any scene could have benefited from a voice over it was this one. Claire's face told a great story in her deciding what to do but I felt it needed more. And that fade to black on the stones was just dumb, it made out like she touched the stones, and I know from the books she did not. That was an odd choice.

I was a little bit underwhelmed with this episode and I am not sure why. It could be after the long wait my expectations were too high or it could be that in the intervening months I read all the books and so my mind and heart is still on Fraser Ridge welcoming Bree and Roger back and thinking of Claire and Jamie as older people. Whatever it was, I didn't enjoy this as much as I wanted to. Same here. I think I disliked it more on screen than in the book. Seeing something is harder to ignore than it is reading it. Even though I know in the context of the time it was accepted, I find it hard to accept that someone who claims to love another can raise a hand to them. At some point your conscience steps in and tells you this is wrong, beating someone you love is not right, no matter what time you live in. Jamie is meant to be an honourable man yet he enjoyed it! As the episode went on, I feel they did a nice job showing he regretted it, which I appreciate, but no matter how I try to look at it, Jamie beating Claire like that does not stack up against the Jamie who stepped in to save Leoghaire from a beating. I do like that they showed Jamie not telling Leoghaire straight up he isn't interested in her. Its as if he is sparing her feelings, but it will come back to bite him in the ass further down the line. If we get to the later books this will play nicely to the scene where they confront each other back in Scotland and lay everything on the table. Not sure how they will play out that Jamie knew it was her who left the ill wish though, as far as I can remember he does not find out about that? The fight scene was pretty great. Probably my favourite from the episode, so intense and well acted. I love a good fight and they did not disappoint.

No I haven't. The only ones I've seen around here are the Lord John books and I'm not sure I like him enough to read a whole book about him. I've not even heard of these novellas before, maybe I can find them online...

Now that I've finished all the books I can venture in here. So apparently to get to another time you think about a person there who you're close to and that helps you steer. Now I remember reading in one of the books Claire thinks the reason she ended up in 1743 is because she had been hearing about Jack Randall from Frank and he was the first person she encountered (No idea which book or if I'm even remembering it correctly). I don't really buy that though, that at that moment when she heard the stones he was on her mind somewhere. My theory is that it has something to do with Jamie's ghost having watched her the day before. I don't know how but I like to think subconsciously she was thinking of him which is why she ended up where she did.

I'm done! There were times I thought I might not ever finish before April 4th, I'm looking at you Fiery Cross, but I made it. And now that I'm here I feel sad, how did you all wait for years between books?! I thoroughly enjoyed this book. William grew on me, especially when he interacted with Claire, Jamie and Ian. I could have done without Jane but it was nice when he came to Jamie for help with her and he obliged, it let William see a side of Jamie he'd not seen before. Lord John Grey I liked more than in previous books, his family however I could have done without. I'm not looking forward to more of the endless search for Ben. Oh and I really like Denny. It's nice Claire has someone who appreciates her medical prowess in the way he does. A few of you mentioned you don't particularly enjoy the battle scenes, I don't mind them. Not being American there is very little I know about the revolution, so for me it is quite fascinating. Although I admit I'm still somewhat confused at how the whole thing started, and occasionally I have to go to Wikipedia to clear things up. I did know that Washington had bad dental hygiene, but have no idea why I know that. Rogers story took me by complete surprise, when Brian Fraser opened the door it was a shock. What a great twist. Him meeting his dad felt rushed and surplus to the story, but it was nice to see Dougal again. Geillis interactions with Buck were just disturbing, ew. The 20th century story was great overall, but I'd be glad not to see Rob Cameron again. My hope is the next book picks up where this one left of, I want to read that reunion, although maybe it will start with how the MacKenzies came to the Ridge. Seven months that took me to read the whole series, glad the shows back soon, I won't know what to do with all my spare time otherwise.

Thanks WatchrTina... that's a shame, it's a conversation I would have liked to have read.

In An Echo in the Bone Claire says to Lord John Grey

Yes that is what I meant. I always assumed people could travel back from their real time not forward from their real time. It was an interesting development - having only read the first section of Moby I will be interested to see where Gabaldon takes it. Totally agree with you about Lord John Greys family. When the story is away for too long a time from characters I am personally invested in I do tend to get a bit bored. Which is when it starts taking me ages to get through the book because I can not be bothered. Something else that surprised me was Claire telling everyone at Lallybroch where she is actually from and what she is. That would be a hard secret to keep for so long, I am glad people are starting to find out, even if they do not totally believe/understand her, it makes Jamie's faith in her that much more meaningful.

Not sure if this is the right place to put these... As some of you know you get little extras with the iTunes downloads and I came across these and thought some of you might like to see them...(I hope its ok to post links to these!) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6mKLC9alxeOl5a5ZAK - deleted scene from Castle Leoch https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k79HhKBYmuUeI2a5ZtE - An Epic Adaptation https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k3jeKGkC0TPPXZa5ZuE - Authentic in Design

You can see the clip here https://www.dailymotion.com/video/k7mmFzeJBrDsQUa5ZIT Hope that works!

Finally finished! I enjoyed it for the most part. Like most of you I found the chapters dealing with William on his own or with the British army rather dull. Once he started interacting with Ian and Claire though he became so much more interesting. I did enjoy the pay off when Jamie was finally revealed to him as his father. Those last few chapters were very exciting and jam packed. Claire marrying Grey thinking Jamie dead was also interesting and I look forward to the fallout of that in the next book. The last third of the book was like reading the first two, I didn't want to put it down to go to sleep. I must say I liked Brianna and Roger a lot more in 20th century, maybe because less time was dealt with them and when we were there they were often reading letters. Buccleigh ending up in their time was surprising. For some reason I just assumed if someone could travel through time it would always be backwards. I'm guessing his story will be more fleshed out in the next book. There seemed to be a lot of coincidences in this book, most I did not mind but Dottie being in love with Dr Hunter took it a bit far. I'm feeling a little sad knowing I have only one book to go then I will have to wait like everyone else for book 9. I feel like I've done a massive marathon in reading. Oh one more thing then I'm done. I still dislike Jenny. Ever since her introduction I've not liked her attitude, she's mean for no real reason, she just annoys me. It will be interesting to see if her portrayal in the show changes my opinion, like it did for Dougal. I hope so.

I am about half way through book 7 and have a question regarding

Hmmm I just watched the clip on spoilertv, it did seem like a whole lot of nothing.