WInterfalls

I am, of course, just going off what I've seen on the shows over the years. I remember being hopeful at the Free Agents reunion that Laurel was actually remorseful for hurting Cara and they would mend their friendship. Now looking back I think it's all part of the never ending cycle of narcissistic abuse and love bombing that Laurel does. Honestly, I think Cara's pattern of past abusive relationships are part of why she continues to try to make something work with Laurel. I'm not sure if there is one thing that caused the final split other than Laurel continuing to Laurel and Cara would no longer accept the abuse.

At best they've been frenemies I feel like for awhile. I would say it goes back to Free Agents when Cara thought of them as great friends, but Laurel threw her in the elimination where Cara broke her hand. At the reunion she presented Cara with a gift to try and repair their friendship, but I think it was at that point it was pretty clear they would never truly be friends. I think Cara has typically been open to it but Laurel has never prioritized their friendship over anything she wanted. And I'm sure Nicole wanting Cara first didn't help matters. Also I was listening to some podcast and one of the podcasters made a couple of great points about that Rivals clip. 1st he said if your going to show the Rivals clip show the whole thing in where it became clear that Laurel couldn't get Wes to cower from her she turned her attention to Paula who she knew had insecurities she could exploit and make cry. And 2nd Cara was her partner she needed Cara to be able to perform so defending her and building her up would only benefit Laurel. Also I was really happy for Tina for killing that elimination. She was a totally badass this episode. "Bob and Weave Bitch"

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Right? It's one thing when she's gaslighting Cara but it felt like she was trying to gaslight us too. Going back to that too. She says early in the episode that Cara just can't get over her throwing her in and then in the same episode tells Michele that she can't be nice to her because she threw her in 3 seasons ago. That's certainly what the episode made it look like Cara's explanation paints a different picture. Who knows which is completely correct? Regardless Laurel is off the rails. She is a bad person full stop. She is a bully and always will be. I will never enjoy seeing her on my screen.

Here's Cara's response for anyone interested. I don't think Cara is the best person in the world but I don't think what Laurel is anywhere near being in the right here.

I'm so sad to lose CT so soon. I did appreciate that after he and Tina argued after the daily he immediately apologized to Tina and she apologized back like siblings. Laurel and Cara are NOT like siblings no matter how many times they tell us they are. From accounts I have seen from other castmates and supposed insiders Laurel went WAY over the line. She is and always has been completely unhinged. Go back and look at the faces of other challengers and you can the disgust on their faces. Also Laurel threw a daily so that Nehemiah and Emily would be thrown in and she has the nerve to be upset he targeted her? You already showed him he's not important to you so why on earth should he protect you?

So after all the controversy from this episode, production gave Derrick and Horacio all the raw footage about the elimination and it proves Derrick did win. Seems like communication was the biggest problem. Horacio and Derrick talked it out on Derrick's podcast the video is free to watch. https://www.patreon.com/posts/video-horacio-on-111871785

At those pressure levels a mask may be more dangerous than helpful.

Seriously! That kind of pressure could result in Steve being blinded or possibly even killed.

That final was dumb. It was all janky carnival games that I did not enjoy. I also think it's pretty crappy that Cara was basically handicapped by the fact that her allies made it farther in the game than Laurel. I think Laurel would have lost without all those stars but hey good for her I guess. I just feel like overall this cast was underserved by this final.

This is a good article with Jay where he was spilling some tea regarding the Nicole/Cara and Nicole/Laurel dynamics. https://parade.com/tv/the-challenge-all-stars-season-4-jay-mitchell-eliminated-interview

This has been my fear for a while now. That Cara will end up in the middle group and someone will jump in and steal her star to keep her from the final. If it's double I wonder if she could even win an elimination but then one of the men take her star and give it to someone like Flora who isn't a threat to them, but I don't think any of the current male star holders would do that. Maybe Leroy but I doubt it.

Wow Adam is an a-hole. What did he think was going to happen when he voted his friend in elimination? I actually enjoyed Jay this season and will miss him but I'm happy for Steve. Next week has got to be a double or some kind of purge right? I saw somewhere that there were 12 episodes so one more and then final should be it.

No one wants to take Veronica's star because she's no threat in a final. I'm fairly certain if Kam had won that elimination she would have taken Nicole's star not Veronica's. If it's me I'd rather have Veronica in the final than Nicole or Cara.

Disappointed in Laurel that she was too scared to go down and face Cara. She talked a big game but didn't back it up. I hate Nicole so much she is the absolute worst. Cara isn't even allowed to have a conversation with anyone else or she's a bad person? Nicole has no room to call anyone else a terrible person. And Flora is online saying she adores Nicole which she cannot be trusted as a good judge of character. I don't know what Jay thinks he is doing here being allies with Nicole and Cara. There is no strength in your allies fighting against each other all the time.