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Thank you for sharing, Clanstarling. I'm sorry you went through that. You are exactly the kind of person I was wondering about. It's easy to fall for the hero edit when the show rubs your face in it, but sadly, some of us are experts at noticing the moments when the mask slips. It's also sad when other people try to gaslight us by telling us we didn't see what we saw.

I think the Highgarden money was for past debts but the Golden Company was a new debt that is still owed.

I suppose it's a real possibility that literally everyone dies and Dany is Queen of the Ashes. That would suck.

No. It is not a retcon, I saw it years ago. You missed it because the moments were very small and overshadowed by all the hero shots. That's okay, but don't gaslight my observations.

I did fall for it at the time. I felt terrible for this young girl who spent her whole life as a fugitive, abused by her brother and sold to a barbarian. I cheered her when she started standing up for herself. She was my favorite character for the first couple of seasons. But maybe it’s because of stuff I experienced in real life that I noticed little things that troubled me early on. When someone you care about does, say, 100 great things in a row, then says or does something odd, such as flying into a rage over something minor, then goes back to being great 100 more times, it’s easy to ignore or rationalize the one bad thing. If eventually the bad things happen more and more frequently they get harder to ignore. Some people might figure it out right away, others might take a long time to overcome the cognitive dissonance. It’s why so many women stay in verbally or emotionally abusive relationships for years, even decades. I think this is exactly what happened in Dany’s character arc, and I think it was intentional all along. Someone mentioned a psychology experiment and actually I would find this fascinating. Some of us were suspicious early, others not until season 6 or so, and others don’t see it even now. What is different about us? Life experience? Innate cynicism? I would love to know.

Like I said, I cheered at the time. I am just acknowledging that Dany was very comfortable lying and cheating. She is a good example of someone who believes the end justifies the means. But her motivation was not to help them. If she really cared about them she would have freed them and helped them start a new, peaceful life, not subjected these poor broken men to more war. Shades of gray.

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Dany made her decision when Jon refused to kiss her. "Let it be fear." Even though he just told her he loved her. It would have been a good time for Jon to have reassured her that the people will love her once they get to know her. After all, she had only been to KL once and a two hour meeting at the airport hotel doesn't count as a visit to the city. Take the throne, do some Margaery style good deeds, offer free dragon rides for the kids and the people would eventually get on board. I think Jorah might have been able to talk her down. I tell you what, the apologists scare me a little, with the arguments that she did it because she was sad and lonely. How many times have we suffered through school shootings and were told that the shooter was bullied at school? Does that make it okay to take out a few classmates and teachers? "No one wanted to be his friend so it's totally understandable he would kill some of them." Because that it exactly the same argument.

Who will end Daenerys’s reign of terror? 1. Arya because it’s in her assassin job description. 2. Jon because it’s in his executioner job description. 3. Tyrion because he has a pretty good sense of self preservation. 4. Brienne because she’s protecting Sansa. 5. Sam because she threatens him. 6. Sansa because it’s her turn. 7. Drogon because he is sick and tired of killing innocent people. 8. Martha because no one told her to stop (inspiration: Tesla). 9. Random Westerosi because they are real people. 10. Gray Worm because all bets are off now. 11. No one. She will live and sit on the throne. 12. No one. She will live, but in exile. Feel free to add!

This is what happens when I watch random scenes, lol. So in Dany's vision, where she is before the Iron Throne in the the ruins of the Red Keep in what we thought was snow but now know is ash, there is a symbol of the Seven hanging by the throne when this was changed to the Lannister Lion after Cersei took the throne. Oops!

I was just rewatching the scene where Dany obtained the Unsullied, back in Season 3. At the time it all seemed very heroic, but really she lied and cheated her way through that whole transaction. She traded Drogon for the army, and then even though she did not own Drogon anymore she ordered him to Dracarys Kras. That's like paying with a bad check. Then she took Drogon back, when he should have gone to Kras's heirs. Even pretending to not speak Valyrian was a deception, although a smart one. We cheered because the person Dany murdered was a bad guy, like the absolute worst. We were distracted from seeing this as a moral conundrum, as we should have at the time. Also in that scene, Dany failed to tell her advisers about her plan so when she offered up a dragon they tried to talk her out of it. In exchange for their efforts to protect her from this terrible idea, she, of course, threatened to fire them for contradicting her in public, in that Journey-to-Madness tone of voice she liked to use.

I've been following the drama. Proud to be part of the 2M who unsubbed that jerk. The parody video is fantastic! #TeamTati

He should have moved north of the wall. Tormund had never heard of that word. But he liked it!

I am truly sorry. I wish you all the best, sister.

Dany liked having Missandei around. She was good company. Her language skills came in handy. She was a source of supply who worshipped her queen. Of course Dany misses her. I just think that every good deed seems to have a bit of extra benefit for her. There are lots of people out there who will do a favor just so the other person will owe them, or for bragging rights. She asked Jon to bend the knee about a million times and he refused. She does him a solid and boom, knee bent.

I vaguely recall someone (don't remember who or what ep or even the context, sorry) saying that people move to KL despite it being a shithole because that's where the jobs are.

Someone on twitter called this a No Bell Peace Prize. Outstanding. By the way, how many times did Tyrion say out loud "When you hear the bell, it means stop fighting?" Like 85 times? Did anyone NOT figure out that wasn't happening? Don't forget: Bell=Stop Fighting. Got it? Everyone on board? Dany, what's the bell mean?

Another oopsie. Jaime's hand magically grew back! https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/game-of-thrones-jaime-lannister-hand-season-8-episode-5

She didn't know the scorpions were all destroyed when she said that. Her comment was perfectly reasonable given their success last time. Her soldiers fought for her because she paid them, not because she was good to them. She explained her rationale about the human shields. It was a cold and calculated move. By definition not crazy. Evil, for sure, but not crazy. We did see the effect of the Sept massacre on at least one family member. I recall a young widower jumping out a window. That conveyed the horror pretty well I think.

I kind of like that Cersei died a lame death instead of the epic takedown most of us predicted. It’s the ultimate insult, to basically be ignored. I was really hoping that when Jaime showed up, it was actually Arya with his face, but in retrospect that would be fanservice and lazy writing. This was much more daring, to have Jaime admit that he is “hateful” by nature, like the scorpion who stings the turtle, redemption be damned. As for the mad queen, I feel like it is a failure of our education system that people didn’t see it coming. English Lit 101! It was projected from the very first episode. Was Dany ever righteous? Arguably not. The narcissist can do what looks like good deeds, but the motivation is not caring but admiration. Narcissists require supply. Dany freed slaves to gain a group of people who owed her and called her Mother, and then she gave herself the title Breaker of Chains. She took over the Unsullied and offered them a chance to leave, but how realistic is that. These men had no other life. So they followed her. She didn’t give a rat’s ass about them individually. She constantly referred to them as “her” army as if she owned them. She wore a mask of virtue but it was never real because she has no empathy. My most emotional moment was the Hound taking out the Mountain. Cried I did. Also, Tyrion telling Jaime he was the only reason he survived his childhood was heartbreaking.

Arya picked up two new skills from the Faceless Men: how to fight in the dark and how to be someone else. She used the first to kill the NK and will use the second to kill Cercei. My prediction is the face she will be wearing is Jaime's. I binge rewatched the show recently and was reminded that for the first few seasons the Daenerys scenes were my favorites, but I have grown to just hate her guts. She's such a fricken narcissist. As in the actual DSM definition, with her grandiosity, sense of entitlement, lust for power, and need for admiration, etc. I'm so sick of her "helping" fight "Jon's war." No Dany, it's mankind's war and you are the self proclaimed queen so it's YOUR war and you are obligated to fight it. It's like when a husband "helps" with the housework or "babysits" his own kid. Wrong wrong wrong no. To those who like to point out that Jon didn't bend the knee until after she offered to "help," keep in mind this was after months of her harassing him about it and keeping him a virtual prisoner. And then she makes no effort whatsoever to understand the local culture? No, she just assumes that everyone will love her and then pouts like a toddler when they don't. The way she tried to manipulate Jon into living a lie for the rest of his life was the last straw for me. I hope her dragon turns on her. I was very disappointed in Missandei. My death is bad so lets kill lots of innocent people? Psycho. Varys is toast. Burnt toast. Too bad because he is one of the most interesting characters on this show. Also, I loved TSCC when it was on but never once made the Lena Headley connection, LOL.

So Jon got them to swear playing off his status as their brother when in fact he is not their brother. It's the truth--cousins are family--but not the whole truth. He induced their oath based on a lie of omission so they should not be bound by it.

If I were Ghost I would rather hang out with Tormund in the North any day. Upgrade.

When Ned left for KL, he told Jon he would tel him the truth about his parentage the next time they saw each other. Which of course never happened. I wonder what the purpose of telling him would have been.