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  1. 12 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

    It is so typical of Rebecca to look like she's making a major step by kicking her father out only to decide she needs to destroy Josh*.  Paula has been so good this season but I don't think telling Rebecca that it's the guy's fault for not loving her back was the right move.  She should have just pointed out that relationships don't work out until they do.  

    My favorite moment, though, was David Hull's reaction as White Josh when Darryl decided they should have a baby.

    I think that the job for that moment was to keep Rebecca from jumping to her death, so I think Paula did the right thing to make sure Rebecca didn't blame herself.  Going forward, a real examination of Rebecca's life is in order, but at the time, I think this was appropriate.  Pointing out that sometimes relationships don't work out, while true, might have seemed dismissive of Rebecca's pain and literally sent her over the cliff.

    12 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

    And am I wrong, or were the nurses at Rebecca's institution some of the same actresses who were dancers in the opening credits?      

    I didn't notice, but OMG, that would be brilliant!  I wish I hadn't already deleted it off the DVR so I could check.  I wondered for a moment whether Rebecca was still in the mental hospital and meeting Josh in the city, the move to West Covina, and everything that's happened in the show were all just in her mind.  But that's too insane, right?

    BTW, Rebecca looked so beautiful in her dress.  

    Is the show coming back for Season 3?  I thought it had been canceled.  If it is coming back, please keep her single or a little bit...

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  2. On 1/26/2017 at 9:02 PM, WhosThatGirl said:

    Where did Jake peace off to btw?

    My immediate assumption was that he killed Vargas.  I was astonished when they appeared to be going the Cyrus route.  I still think my first reaction was right. Logistics is an issue, but he probably has a private plane or helicopter stashed somewhere...

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  3. 1 hour ago, Chas411 said:

    But I did like that he made peace with himself and owned up to his past mistakes. I wish we could have seen how he got to that stage though.

    Everything Seemed to wrap up for the Solloways whereas Cole and Alisons storylines have been left completely unfinished.

    Agreed that we should have seen some of the transformation of Noah. :(

    Maybe next season will focus more on the affair between Alison and Cole...

  4. 14 hours ago, Bama said:

    My theory on the cigarette pack was that the Iranian official had already met with the Mossad agents in the hotel room prior to Saul being present.  The Iranian is a double agent for Mossad and is playing his part to convince Saul - and by result the CIA and PEOTUS - that the CIA/USA need to step in.

    But it's all a set-up by Mossad/Dar Adal to force the new administration to stay the course set by the previous administration/CIA.

    Saul is just a patsy.  Dar knows why Carrie suggested him as the person to go to the source and get the real scoop on what's going down so Dar and that female Mossad agent (don't remember her name) he met with last episode set up this encounter to get Saul to give the PEOTUS the information they want her to trust in and believe.

    Thank you.  I couldn't quite get where they were going with that.  I half expected the package to blow up! ;)

    11 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

    And I bet Mandy Patinkin had to laugh at Dar's line this week: "As you wish."

    The thing about Saul is that he, like Carrie, still truly believes that he can make the world a better place (unlike Dar who is much more pragmatic and cynical), so when he asked his sister how she could he happy making enemies and knowing that her presence makes peace less likely, I thought wow, Saul really can't see the parallel between her situation and the U.S. having a presence in many areas of the world where this is also true. But I love that about Saul - his patriotism and duty are heartfelt, not a power grabbing mindfuck. I feel like Dar's main motivation anything is because he enjoys the game and the manipulation and watching the pieces move around the chessboard.

    I enjoyed the reference but forgot that Mandy starred in the Princess Bride!  Next week: "My name is Dar Adal.  You killed my CIA budget.  Prepare to die. "

    I do like Saul and Carrie's optimism about the world.  It keeps them likeable in spite of the sometimes horrible things that they do.

    Really enjoyed Saul's argument with his sister.  I felt like I could understand both sides of the situation and it showed how truly polarizing it is.

  5. I actually liked what happened in the episode, but it didn't make sense in many ways.

    First the bad...

    1. It was not great as a season finale because the female lead wasn't even in the episode!
    2. I think it would have been better if they had crunched the Noah mental issues to the first 5 episodes and shown some recovery in the next 4 episodes AND had a time jump of however long parole lasts. THEN his trip to Paris and his state of mind would have made sense.  

    Now the good...

    1. I actually enjoyed Juliette's POV, especially learning that she has no credibility on her own within academic circles and her husband had multiple affairs.  It made me more sympathetic to her "I'm trying to be edgy by sleeping with a murderer" pathetic attempts to create her own identity in the US.  I thought it was telling that she was very nervous about PDA in Paris after her supposed frank sexuality in the US.  
    2. It was also interesting that Juliette apparently accomplished nothing during her time in the US.  Perhaps the university dean was right--and she has done nothing to show her own capabilities separately from her husband.  Whitney was kinda heading down the same path with Furkat, but maybe now she can establish her own goals and go for them.
    3. I liked Noah finally admitting that he was a bad father.  Way to finally take responsibility.  I would have preferred it if Furkat had not hit Whitney and was just done with having sex with her and wanted her to just be his assistant.  It's easy to make him the bad guy, but it would have been better if he was just done with her IMO.  She would still be upset and feel used, so Noah could have come to support her and said the same things, but the lesson would have been better and better connected to Noah and Helen's relationship.
    4. I liked that both selfish people finally chose their daughters over their own fun.
    5. I liked the way it ended with Noah having no where to go.  You reap what you sow, buddy.

    Other observations:

    1. Whitney is beautiful, but I thought she looked very dull when Noah saw her in Paris.  Go makeup artist!  That was a good way to show her unhappiness.   Similarly, I though Helen looked beautiful in the final scene, and the lights on the tree were impossibly bright--Noah missing what he gave up.
    2. The scene of them trying to stuff Etienne into the elevator was horrifying.  What a sad, undignified end to the great professor.
    3. Furkat said he sold a ton of those posters.  I'm sorry, but who would buy and display those posters?
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  6. 3 hours ago, CarolMK said:

    Something that is bugging me- when Alison told Helen that she knew that Helen was driving the car- so why didn't Alison tell that to the police, as a witness to the accident? If she had confessed she'd pushed Scotty since he was assaulting her into the roadway, there is a very good chance no one would have had to have gone to prison. Helen's parents would have paid for the best lawyer in town and she would have probably gotten probation and lost her license. Why did Alison let Noah go to prison? At the time , she and Noah were still married and Noah believed that he was Joanie's father. Something isn't adding up. 

    Others have answered your question, and to add to their points, I thought that Alison was a little worried that it would appear that she deliberately pushed Scotty into oncoming traffic and would be liable. She certainly had motive.

    1 hour ago, subina167 said:

    Exactly! The knife had to have still been there. Did they check the fingerprints?

    Didn't it fall into the sink full of water?

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  7. 4 hours ago, ElectricBoogaloo said:

    I know the reason that Rebecca moved up their wedding date is because she feels guilty about kissing Nathaniel, but she couldn't have bribed someone who's getting married in a month? Two weeks is not a lot of time to plan anything, let alone a wedding. And knowing Rebecca, she must have some pretty set ideas about having a fairy tale wedding that are not as doable on that kind of timeline. If you're okay with going to city hall and having lunch at a restaurant with ten of your closest friends afterward, two weeks is totally doable. One of my friends did that because she is totally lowkey and didn't want a big fancy wedding or months of stressful planning, but I can't imagine Rebecca being satisfied with that. And how are they going to pay for this wedding? Rebecca was in massive debt last year and Josh probably wiped out what little he had saved in order to buy Rebecca's ring back.

    My assumption is that wasn't the first person she called.  

    Darryl's song was AWESOME.  There are many unequal friendships in real life and frankly, he's been more of a best friend to Paula than Rebecca, IMO.

  8. On 11/20/2015 at 4:56 AM, SimoneS said:

    I was surprised to see the Grant children with Mellie. I thought Shonda had forgotten about them. Another reincarnation of Mellie as a devoted mother whatever.

    The politics on this show is so ridiculous. I don't know why Shonda didn't just make Fitz a Democrat. He is the most unbelievable Republican president, same with Mellie. Watching her defend Planned Parenthood was so preposterous that I changed the channel.

    Mellie was much colder when Teddy was born.  It's retconning by Shonda, but I'mchoosing to explain it as Melle being changed by the death of her son.

    Agree on the ridiculously liberal views of the Republican President. Even in season 1, I was thinking he should just be a Democrat. Aren't most television presidents Democrats? And Mellie used to be more conservative than Fitz, but I am comfortable saying that her experience as a rape victim, and specifically, her finally opening up about it, might give her some sympathy for Planned Parenthood. Moreover, it's been mentioned before that she's stubborn and she said that she just got tired of being pushed around.  That makes Planned Parenthood less relevant, really. 

     

    On 11/20/2015 at 8:45 AM, mwell345 said:

    Oh, and if I hear the word "gladiator" one more time I think I am going to scream. 

    For me, it's "leader of the free world", especially when Fitz refers to himself that way. 

    On 11/20/2015 at 3:38 PM, Omega Mu said:

    So, I was confused by the timeline of this episode.  Mellie had to filibuster until Midnight and Liv said she "had something to do."  As the filibuster was ending, Liv was checking in at the clinic (midnight?).  After the procedure, she returned to the White House, broke up with Fitz, moved home AND had a couch delivered.  Am I right that all of this seems to have taken place in the early-morning hours of Christmas Day?

    I believe Congress adjourned a few days before Christmas day. In 2016, it was December 16. Liv broke up with Fitz that same day. That would give her a couple of days before Christmas to order and receive the sofa.

    On 11/21/2015 at 7:33 PM, CofCinci said:

    Yes, especially the Brown Tree Snake spending on Guam.  I lived on Guam for 4 years while I was in the Navy.  Those Brown Tree Snakes would crawl into everything and die.  Big problems for million-dollar military com gear and weapons.

    When I heard that line item, I thought it sounded more legit than the others. But Mellie didn'thave time to review them all prior to the filibuster, so she was randomly picking line items that sounded odd.

    I liked that Olivia was admiring Mellie--I believe that is a first for this series. Can Mellivia be far behind? But there will be consequences to her defiance of the party...

    David and Liz have zero chemistry IMO. That needs to end now.

  9. On 11/13/2015 at 1:47 AM, WhosThatGirl said:

    Um, what? So, is Liv now like trapped or something and I should feel bad for her? Oh, I hate everyone on this show. Except for Susan Ross. I once again will say that the hilarious Jimmy Kimmel spoof of this show is so much more fun than the actual show. Also when I came here to post my thoughts and saw the title of this episode, I giggled because whenever I think of Rasputin, I always think of my senior year in high school history class and after we learned about him, our teacher played this song about Rasputin that just went, "Ras,ras,rasputin.." over and over.

    That sounds like the song by Boney M!

  10. On 10/30/2015 at 3:48 PM, Spartan Girl said:

    Maybe it's all part of a bigger plan for Mellie to use Rowan to kill Fitz and then turn around and kill him and Tom to avenge Jerry. Three birds with one stone.

    That would be awesome...which is why it probably will never happen.

    I have a very hard time buying Mellie playing along with the man who killed her child--for any reason.  She's ruthless and ambitious, but her grief was genuine and overpowering.  She has to at least have some idea of killing him in the future.

     

    On 11/2/2015 at 8:54 AM, Whitley Trillbert said:

    Mellie reading Fitz was the life I needed. Give Bellamy her Emmy already. She LAID IT ALL OUT for that ass. I WASTED MY LIFE ON YOU!!!

     

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    I think she's done a great job acting throughout this series, though some seem to disagree.  I also think she's had some of the best material for showing a range of emotions.

    On 11/2/2015 at 2:15 PM, TV Diva Queen said:

    Can the President really give Betsy Ross' ring to someone?  I don't think it's his to give.  

    That's exactly what I was thinking!  Perhaps it will be like Al Capone, and stealing the ring will be the President's downfall.  ;)

    On 11/4/2015 at 4:45 AM, PrincessTT said:

     

    I actually thought it was quite expected that Liv wouldn't want to marry Fitz... When I look back at all the ways that Liv has so far managed to avoid being with Fitz properly, I mean she came up with the 'get pregnant with Teddy' plan, it rings true for me that she would hesitate at marriage. 

    I don't think Liv is the marrying type, though I believe she's genuinely in love with Fitz.  The Vermont fantasy is not really her--though I do think that Fitz would be very happy living out of the spotlight.  She will be working and plotting until the day she dies.  

  11. 17 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

    I just watched last night's episode & the recording cut off as Noah was wading into the water after, what looked like his son.  Please fill me in on what happened.  Thanks in advance!!!

    The hooded figure turned around and it was not Martin.  It was a younger version of Noah.  (There was some debate in the comments above about whether it was young Noah or young Gunther, but a look at the credits clarified things.)

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  12. 1 hour ago, CarolMK said:

    Glad we didn't have to see Noah tie up the French professor. I can't believe she even suggested it , has she known Noah longer than a couple of weeks?

    Amen, sister!  

    She's clearly a masochist--likes being tied up, invites annoying students to dinner...  ;) 

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  13. I believe this is the first time they confirmed that Noah euthanized his mother, right?  I cannot remember what I guessed vs. what they have previously told us.  I really enjoyed the Nina-Helen conversation (Jennifer Esposito is underrated IMO) but I wish she had told Helen the truth about Noah and his mother.  Clearly, Noah volunteered the guilty plea out of guilt for killing his mother.  I think it would be good for Helen to understand that and not continue to think he did it out of love/guilt/loyalty towards her.

    9 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

    I'm thinking it's a young Gunther in the lake.  It seems too late to add another character, but maybe someone else committed suicide in that lake.   Or maybe Gunther attempted to and that trauma keeps Noah from remembering him.  The two high school buddies seemed to remember his name right away.  It's super odd that Gunther seems to have been so transfixed with jealousy over high school Noah.  They didn't even attend the same school. 

    I had assumed it was Noah, but Gunther makes sense too.

    If it's Noah, it's about how self-destructive Noah is.  It's also a nice throwback to the very first episode in which Martin faked a suicide to get out of going to Helen's parents' house for the summer.

    If it's Gunther, I wonder if Gunther killed himself as a teen after losing to Noah.  In that case, the prison guard is a manifestation/halucination of Noah's long-delayed "guilt" related to that incident.  

    Just in the last episode's forum, I was wishing for the return of Max.  Ask, and ye shall receive!  I actually felt a little sorry for him.  He's trying to settle down and Helen comes around, clearly looking for a booty call, and he can't resist the lure of someone he's loved for 25+ years.  Of course, it was awful that he cheated on his fiance, but I put more blame on Helen in this case.  I think she's the Noah (self-destructive, delusional, narcissist) of this season.  This is her Descent.  Maybe it can inspire Noah's next book? ;) 

    I don't blame Helen for her distrust of her parents' reunion, but she needs to grow up and fake it!  I can see where the kids (especially Whitney and Martin) get their snarky, sulky behavior.  Vik is now too good for her.  

    I do think Helen's self-destructive behavior is a result of her guilt about letting Noah take the blame for Scotty's death--just like Noah's behavior is a result of his guilt.  In that way, they are exactly alike!

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  14. On 7/23/2015 at 1:50 AM, kwerkee said:

    I thought Danny knew Riley was in love with Ben since they were in high school. How did I miss that the reveal only took place in season 1?

    I think they changed history on that.  In the pilot episode, he seemed to be newly discovering her crush, but in all subsequent episodes it's felt like something he's always known--and the reason why he stayed on the sidelines.

    On 8/8/2015 at 0:11 AM, kia112 said:

    I mean...I guess?  All of these seasons (and storylines) run together for me, but how long has Ben actually been interested in Riley?  A season.  A season and a half?  The rest of the time that Danny was in love with Riley and didn't act on it had nothing to do with Ben; it was his own cowardice.  Which, no shade, I get it, but how was Ben supposed to know?  We've all seen that Ben is clearly the kind of person that needs to have things definitively spelled out for him.  I think I like Ben more than most, and I know he's a jerk, but I seriously doubt that he would have gone after Riley if he knew how Danny was completely into her from the start.  I just don't think Ben should be made to feel guilty for something he had nothing to do with.

    I agree that Danny's lack of action is not Ben's fault, but it seems very strange that he did not pick up at all on Danny's interest in Riley.  The brothers are close, after all.  

    On 4/6/2016 at 10:12 PM, wayne67 said:

    Riley is so frustrating. It's one thing to be upset about your boyfriend having had sex with your highschool nemesis but she didn't even give him a minute to tell his side of the story.

    Having sex with someone once does not equate to having feelings for them. Has Riley not heard of a one night stand ? 

    At this point I think Danny is far better off away from Riley and her melodrama. 

    I think that Riley overreacted big time.  However, it makes more sense if you think of her history.  She seems to still be haunted by her childhood weight issues.  I get the impression that her belief that she didn't deserve to be loved by someone as great (popular, kind, good-looking, etc.) as Danny is a big reason for her blindness to his affections.  When they finally got together, I believe that Riley couldn't quite believe it was real and was waiting for him to decide that he liked someone better.  Finding out about Sam played into that fear, especially since it happened while Danny was supposedly in love with Riley.

    That being said, I am a total Riley/Danny fan.  I adore love stories that are a long time in the making. Although it's frustrating they dance around each other for so long, I do think it's necessary for Riley to experience a relationship with Ben and realize that her idealized version is not reality before she can recognize that she's really in love with Danny. She also has to learn to love herself before she can truly accept Danny's love.  I believe that her crush on Ben is more about seeking approval from someone who mocked her than about true love.  Disposing of the fantasy of Ben and gaining some success as a lawyer puts her in a position to have a real relationship with Danny.

     

    On 4/9/2016 at 3:08 PM, TwistedandBored said:

    I don't even think Danny lied. The way it was telegraphed was weird. It looked like Danny was shocked to find out he hooked up with Sam back in High School after she stopped the video and told him, "you are welcome." He immediately played the video just to see if it was true. He looked shaken and didn't know how to correct his previous words to Riley. 

    I agree.  Memory is selective. We tend to remember things because they are somehow significant to us.  That's why 2 people will have completely different recollections of the same event or situation.  I think Danny genuinely forgot about the hookup with Sam because it meant nothing to him.  Similarly, Danny overreacted when Riley didn't immediately profess her love for him after hearing the voicemail.  He forgot that she did come to him right after hearing it and he chose to go to his room with Milena, his girlfriend at the time.

    On 6/21/2016 at 6:21 PM, miracole said:

    They keep saying Danny and Sam hooked-up 7 years ago. Are they really trying to make Riley and Danny like only 23 and 24 now?

    Riley sucks. Danny should tell her where to get off and really move on.  I used to want those two together but they're just writing Riley as a sanctimonious hypocrite now so I'm over it.

    The showrunners play fast and loose with timelines, in my opinion.  In the pilot, Danny makes a comment about Riley finally being in law school after failing the LSAT.  But she takes the bar in season 2, which is normal (not untraditionally late) for a 24 or 25 year old.  Then they made comments in season 5 about "7 years ago" which would make Danny 25 or 26 (he started school a year late).  It's either sloppy writing or a desire to retcon.

    On 6/23/2016 at 0:36 PM, iMonrey said:

    She looks good in the sense that she's had her face stretched, lifted, pulled and injected six ways 'til Sunday. The lengths women on TV will go to not to show any age never ceases to amaze me. Especially since it typically has the opposite effect.

    I gotta give Loni credit that any work she may have had done does not look terrible!

    On 8/3/2016 at 9:03 PM, Aliconehead said:

    Glad some one called Riley on her selfishness and never thinking of Danny.

    Exactly!  I really like Riley, but she has been consistently selfish with regard to Danny.  It's good that they didn't just brush it under the rug and had Danny notice it and hold her accountable.  One of my favorite moments of character development for Riley is in the pageant episode when she realized that her desire to win was hurting her.  

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    I recently watched this show on Netflix and I love it!  It's fun and the actors interact so well with each other.  I love how much they include Emma in things. Often times, children are forgotten on television and are props to be occasionally trotted out (I'm looking at you, Downton Abbey!). 

    Bonnie-Tucker was an unexpected gem of a relationship.  They play so well off each other with their scheming, antagonism, and occasional loving moments.

    I also love Bonnie-Danny -- it feels so genuine and affectionate and is one of my favorite parent-child relationships on television.  Her role as his manager adds another dimension to the "teen mom/first child" relationship.

    I enjoy the fact that Danny is shown to be the least intelligent character, but is actually the wisest one. 

    Ben is interesting as a focal character.  I like the way he has shown maturity since becoming a father, but has not completely changed and is still a bit of dog.  Much more realistic!

    And most of all, I really like the fact that although Ben is the title character, it's truly an ensemble show.  In that way, it reminds me of How I Met Your Mother because the non-title characters were so essential to the story.

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  15. On 12/11/2016 at 7:57 AM, Giant Misfit said:

    I would presume there would have to be since they were able to bilk two seasons' worth of "Intrigue" about who killed Scotty. Using that accident as a baseline where pretty much everybody contributed to Scotty's roadside demise, I'm gonna assume they're gonna go all 10 Little Indians on this one where everyone who ever appeared on the show takes a turn stabbing Noah in the neck, including Mare Winningham (in a very special guest star role). 

    that's not 10 Little Indians, it's...(spoiler tag because the book in question is still a classic).

    Spoiler

    Murder on the Orient Express

  16. 32 minutes ago, VioletMarx said:

    I sort of was, too, but then remembered they will then turn their brattiness on her and deify Noah. At least, unlike every other character on this show, they probably won't want to fuck him.

    Not sure if they will turn on her in the same  way. I get the impression they believe Noah deliberately killed Scotty, but in her case it would definitely be a drunk driving accident. we'll see...

    As for not wanting to have sex with him, don't be so sure. Whitney has already had the lesbian and older man relationships and she may want to try incest next. ;)

  17. 2 hours ago, attica said:

    I find it interesting that Noah has all these women caring for him. He has no men friends.

    I kinda miss Max, his and Helen's old friend, and I want him back.

    1 hour ago, Blakeston said:

    I said "you've got to be fucking kidding me" to my computer screen twice - once when French Stereotype Lady started dialing the pink telephone while reading Noah's book, and the second when the student said her real problem with Noah is that she just wants to have sex with him sooo badly.

    This is all a parody of The Affair written by a jealous rival of Sarah Treem's, right?

    I doubt Audrey actually said that. Since it was Juliette's POV, I bet that she was thinking that the student probably just wanted to f**k Noah and projected her thoughts onto the memory of the dialogue . 

    Brendan Fraser/Gunther is super creepy. Have we seen him on screen when any other characters were present? if he is real, my guess is that we will find out that he raped Noah in prison. :(

    I am looking forward to when Noah and Helen's bratty kids find out that he sacrificed himself for their mother. 

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  18. 6 hours ago, dcalley said:

    I think Aafrin was spotted at the tea plantation with the guy who was on the run because of reasons I have forgotten. Sorry.

    Aafrin and his revolutionary girlfriend (Kaira--I think) were working with Naresh Banerjee, also a revolutionary--but a violent one, who was hiding out at the tea plantation.  However, neither Aafrin nor Kaira supported Banerjee's violent approach to kicking the Brits out of India.  However, because they went to visit him at the plantation, there were at least a few people who could identify Aafrin.

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  19. 1 hour ago, SeanC said:

     

    Vella Lovell is Indian-American, at least from what I've read online, so I figured she was adopted.

    The character could be adopted, but that's not necessarily the case. I met someone who I thought was of South Asian descent (like me) and he turned out to have 1 white and 1 black parent. He was very patient, as he  was used to being asked his ethnicity.

  20. 26 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

    Holy shit of course he wasn't. I never said he was.  Carver wrote it that Dean realized how creepy it sounded. My concern with likes of Buck Lemming, who suck donkey balls and paint Dean as the horniest horndog that ever horndogged would not treat it with the humor that Carver did. That's my point. Not that Dean IS actually attracted to his mother on any level.

    Seems like I misunderstood your comment.  I thought you were equating the 2 situations and that you were saying Dean was/would be a horndog in both.

  21. 22 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

    I'm worried if they brought young Mary back that BuckLemming specifically would not be able to resist having Dean making some inappropriate remark about her being hot like he did in s4. I mean sure he said he was going to go to Hell again for it, but still it was not great, Bob!

    In all fairness, I didn't get the impression that Dean was attracted to his mother in that episode.  It was more that he never really considered whether or not she was good looking.  Therefore, it came as surprise to him when he realized she was.  I had the same experience with my parents.  I had seen plenty of pictures of them as youngsters when I was growing up, but it wasn't until I came upon pictures of them when I was adult (30's) that I realized that they were good-looking. It surprised me -- and it was more about my growing up and being able to see them as something other than mom and dad than anything about  them.

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  22. I wonder if they should have recast the role of Mary with a younger actress in heaven and for the return to Earth . I  like the current one, but having someone younger than the brothers would have highlighted her discomfort better. 

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  23. I've decided that the only way I can deal with Mary leaving is if someone writes a fan fiction that she was attracted to her grown-up sons in the wrong way and had to make herself leave. ;) JK, but Mary is probably younger that both of them, so that's got to be strange.

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