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    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    7 minutes ago, anniebird said:

    I'm going to summarize everything I've read or heard on the ROC team scandal and tell me if I got anything wrong. Valieva tested positive in December for the heart drug which is a banned substance; the test either got hidden or ignored and she was allowed to participate in the Olympics. After the team event, the test came to light (whistleblower maybe?) and now the IOC has to figure out what the hell to do about it. Did I miss anything?
     

    Nope, that’s about it. 

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    I’ve been watching the whole press conference on YouTube and they’ve given no time frame, no details, no confirmation or denial, just asks that everyone have patience and asks the reporters not to ask anymore questions. 
    Meanwhile, Valieva just showed up at practice. 

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    11 minutes ago, OnePlusOne said:

    I'm really suspicious that they're holding this press conference while the men's free skate is happening. Always trust the IOC/ISU the be the worst.

    In their defense, Jackie says they have a press conference at this time everyday. Still seems stupid though. 

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    33 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

    A single has a base point value of 0, but if he had done a double or triple, he would have received points.

    Zero points for double, too, it must be a triple or quad. Take Kevin Amoyz, he popped his quad salchow to a triple. No problem, because he still did a triple. He just lost base value. 
     

    eta: I see @Good Queen Jane beat me to it 😉

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    From the article: 

    “The exact nature of Valieva’s problem is unclear but the situation is complicated because, under the rules of the World Anti-Doping Code, she is a "Protected Person".

    That means as "an athlete who at the time of the anti-doping rule violation: has not reached the age of sixteen" Valieva cannot officially be identified if she is guilty of an anti-doping violation.

    insidethegames understands that several legal teams are currently involved working on the complex case which is expected to stretch into tomorrow before a conclusion is reached.

    If Valieva is sanctioned then any penalties are likely to be much less severe than if she was over the age of 16 and the role her entourage played will come under scrutiny.”

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    52 minutes ago, ombelico said:

    In track and field and swimming, if one athlete on a relay is found to fail a drug test, then everyone on the team is disqualified and loses the medal. In gymnastics, when one Chinese gymnast was determined to be underage at the 2000 Olympics, the entire team lost the bronze medal (which was then awarded to the U.S.). If one of the Russians failed a drug test, then the entire team will likely be disqualified from the event and lose the medal.

    I’m sure this is the legal issue that is in question as there isn’t anything in the rule book to address disqualification. There is a rule allowing only three entries though and the ice skating events are separate unlike track or even gymnastics. 

    You can imagine that Canada is lobbying hard for total disqualification and Japan is hoping for point reallocation. 

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    21 minutes ago, Snow Apple said:

    So the whole team can lose the gold medal and not just the one person? If confirmed, will they be stripped of all metals or does the rest of the team get the silver or bronze? 

    CBC Canada was reporting Canada would get bronze if ROC was disqualified but not sure that was based in any fact as they didn’t even know what the issue was, the doping issue was broke by Michael Pavitt of Inside the Games after CBC’s story came out. Because the rules allow for a team to compete with three members, I thinks it’s possible to only drop the tainted athlete (or team) scores from the team, which would put them at Bronze over Canada. 

    Jackie has now clarified that it was planned day off from practice for M/G, B/K, and Mark. No word on Valieva, she could’ve gotten a day off post team event, too but that’s also very un-Eteri.

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    There is some legal issue that has delayed the medal ceremony for the team event, now there is speculation that one of the teams (not sure which one) could have an athlete disqualified and have to forfeit their medal. 

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/figure-skating/olympics-figure-skating-team-event-medal-ceremony-delayed-1.6344572

    ETA: Christine Brennan is saying it possibly involves one of the Russians. 
    ETA #2: Word is a drug test for a Russian skater. 

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    7 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

    It'd be exciting, but has he ever even landed one in practice? All the clips I've seen are severely under rotated and two footed. 

    No, he’s not been even close to underrotating the jump, they are all full downgrades with poor execution. I’ve long since been of the opinion he should abort the 4A and focus on his quad loop, because that was a better winning strategy. And then the Fanyus all attacked me. 

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    4 hours ago, estellasmum said:

    OMG, my younger self had a partially choreographed program to Never Tear Us Apart in my head, and someone actually skated to it. I'm so happy someone realized what a great song it would be to skate to!!

    A few people used it last year including Cain-Gribble & Leduc who skated their short program to the Bishop Briggs version.

    Figure Skating

    in Beijing 2022 Olympic Winter Games

    I’m still in shock over Hanyu. Overall, a fantastic men’s short program. Men’s skating has been really volatile all year, I’m so glad most everyone pulled it together when it counted. I missed Vincent. He might’ve bombed the long but he usually kills his Vincent short program. At least Jason made the final group, so happy for him. Per usual, he was criminally underscored in PCS and I thought Yuma’s PCS was too high. 

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    5 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

    NBC News confirms that no substitute can be named in Vincent's place (although they're citing his participation in the team event, and not the lottery deadline.)

    I had forgotten about this but Plushenko skated in the team event in Sochi and withdrew from the men’s event. I thought he was replaced but he wasn’t and there was no Russian man in the individual event. I didn’t realize it was an actual rule. 

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    27 minutes ago, Souris said:

    Could Ilia even get into the Olympic bubble at this point given the advance Covid testing requirements? Or can Vincent even be subbed for at this point since he’s already competed?

    Alternates were not allowed to come and Men’s short program is tomorrow so there is no way to get Ilia to Beijing in time with all the necessary negative tests. 

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    It was a long shot for gold but it would’ve been nice to have gone into the free skate tied or with a slim lead. I’m so bummed for Karen but I’m still glad she was picked and I hope she has a better free skate. Russia is just so strong in three disciplines, it would’ve taken a Herculean effort plus a rough short from Mark for the US to have a real chance. Here’s hoping Vincent has a good skate tonight. 

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    US does have a real shot at Gold, it requires everyone to skate their best. Karen did beat Kaori at worlds so in a out of this world scenario, she could be second which would have the US in first going into the free skate. She could also finish middle of the pack but Karen is pretty clutch so I think she’ll skate well. We have lots of wild cards: Vincent in the free, can Knierim/Frazier beat the Japanese again? At least it’s exciting right now. My usual complaint about the team event is there is no drama but we’ve got lots of drama right now. The battle for the free skate between Canada, China, and Georgia should be pretty good tomorrow. It’s crazy that some of those guys won’t even know if they’re skating until like thirty minutes before…the scheduling seems a bit weird. 

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