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I don't think Jamie needs to stay single for years just until she is further along in the healing process so that she has more self awareness that her actions are damaging her relationships. If I saw signs that Jamie was sorry in anyway for how she treated others I think I would feel differently about her but she is still in survivor mode as such I will hurt you so you don't hurt me. I wish she took some time out from relationships all together to work on accepting herself and her past so that she does not lash out or judge others. She said that she now knows what a good relationship is but IMO does not have the tools yet to maintain that. The other thing that bothers me is that her expectations are not realistic she has this fairytale in her head that once she has the husband and babies her life will be great but until she is ready to accept that nobody is perfect she is going to be disappointed over and over again. She said 'you have a baby then you are stuck' yet is all gung ho to jump in and have a baby and expects it to still be perfect. Children lead to more stress on a relationship not less.
Jason on the other hand is gaurded admits it is his issue but is working within himself to let Cortney in without the judgements and self sabotage.
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Unless I've missed it, none of the other "experts" defend Jamie as adamently as Dr. C. Hopefully there's at least one honest one among them that didn't think she should be on the show but was overruled. It is very questionable why they would let someone on with her LARGE amount of baggage.
I have seen none of the experts defend anybody actually they normally only talk about the show in the media, if I had not found the other forum I probably would have a totally different opinion on Dr C as on the show he does not defend her just remind us of her extreme past. I do not do facebook so maybe they say more on there.
On a side note I wish they would cut the experts time down, it is flippin annoying to hear the obvious stated just after we have seen it and those stupid facts like we don't know what a honeymoon is. It is also flippin annoying to hear 60 million times this is a science/social experiment and they are risking so much to appear. Umm no I do not see you marrying a stranger, living with them and then if it does not work waiting 12 months for a divorce. You go on with your lives and go oops maybe they were not 'ideal partners' after all.
Plus they should have known that despite how much they think Jamie needs someone like Doug (total lap dog), he did not fit her ideal of a mate, not successful or financially stable, not great looking, nothing to really call his own. He just has the close family that she thinks she wants. But a close family does not want a fake trying to play them all and treating their son/brother like gum on her shoe.It would be interesting to know how his family reacts to the episodes, this weeks must have been a huge eye opener on how damaged she really is. Even though they probably heard about it at the time since Doug talks to them and seems to tell them a lot it would be different seeing him hurting so much.
Although I would love for Jason and Cortney to work out, why let him to the show in the midst of his mother's illness and the consuming Fire Academy.
This is really the only couple I am still rooting for, she seems sweet and if he can open up I think they may work. I am hoping that it is only editing that makes it look like he dumps her next week. Agree on this is a really crappy time to go on this show, and he also has baggage which means he has trouble opening up. They did not score well on that scale the only people I would count as ready for a long term relationship is Cortney & Doug they other four have communication issues in various forms.
Hey Crazychicken, what is your opinion on my senario of the couples making/not making it and the editing?
At the end of the show I am guessing Cortney & Jason plus Doug & Jamie continue on with their relationships with Monet hopefully giving Vaughn a huge spray and running away fast, she has been diplomatic to his face so far though so honest in her talking heads. Long term I do not hold out much hope for Doug & Jamie due to her huge issues, actually I don't think Jamie will have any successful relationships until she actually sorts her crap out. I hope Jason lets Cortney in and they buck the odds so I am going with they will last the longest.
On editing i has been pretty fair so far I think without them throwing to much staged drama actually at the couples it has been fairly truthful on what has been happening in their lives, though there has been a few instances where it has been edited for drama later that I felt were unnecessary eg Monet & Vaughn's 'I am all in' turned out to be the opposite. I prefer documentary over soap opera if I want staged drama I watch the bachelor. There have been a few times were a small remark has made me think we might be missing a piece of the puzzle, like Doug's brother at lunch saying 'are you still walking on eggshells' when Doug did not seem to have an issues and I still wonder what set Vaughn off on his honeymoon.
Up until last week I was empathetic to Jamie and hoped over time she would learn to let Doug in, once she started throwing her family under the bus and they seemed fairly normal to me nothing to be ashamed of I admit I lost sympathy for her, I still hoped that she would seek professional help and her and Doug would work out, because I do not think she will find somebody so patient with her and accept her 'quirks' as she puts it. After last week and her total lack of self awareness that what she did was in anyway wrong I off the bus, nobody deserves to be abused emotionally like Doug was. Dr C backing her up just sent me over the edge.
Hum, sounds to me like the (not so good) doctor really likes him some Jamie. Maybe they can be on next season. Married at First Sight--plus a couple that has seen each other but we want to include in the show--Season Two.
Dr C is gay. I am wondering if he is just trying to protect his image on why she was cast with so much damage. If we are asking that question surely other professionals are too.
On Jamie's ASW ways this is what set alarm bells off for me
http://instagram.com/p/qIDJapI51M/ notice the caption Bathroom selfie for my husband! #married #amazing #stranger #marriedatfirstsight
now look at the promo pics for the series http://imgkid.com/jamie-otis-married-at-first-sight.shtml click potential wife
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Poor Dr C, all of his time with the couples wasn't shown...how long did he think an episode lasts in order to show his full sessions with each person and couple?
I met with V & M individuall for almost two hours each, and together for 3+ hours. A little less for the other two, but not much. I'm disspointed more footage from those meetings wasn't used.
So he spent half of his time just with Monet & Vaughn.
I am going with he is just an ASW as well but then I am probably not the best person to be objective on him. It does not take much to figure out that out of a 45 minute episode on conflict and resolution that even half of that 22 minutes on resolution equals 7 minutes max per couple but this is not the first time he has been disappointed in his edit. Welcome to reality TV Dr C.
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62GREAT I think we are defiantly on the same page about the Jamie, Dr C and producers.
It actually makes me stabby how much she is treated like a princess. I question why she was even allowed on the show by Dr C or any of the other experts with so many emotional issues, let alone the constant defense of her.
As for social media I noticed that before the episode Doug put out that he was not proud of his behavior and he never thought she over reacted, yet Jamie craps on thanks everybody for understanding me not one bit of remorse for her over reaction and it 4-5 months later, not one sign of personal growth. So I am now off both Doug and Jamie, before I felt sorry for Doug but if he can not see that she is so damaged she needs professional help then I say let him stay on the crazy train.
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I think the show made it quite clear that Doug panicked and continued on with the lie. It is interesting that we only got the reaction/retelling of the initial fight from Jamie. Call me cynical but I doubt she reacted calmly to the initial lie. I do understand her initial reaction to him lying but he apologised sincerely so many times, but to carry a grudge for 3-4 days over it is crazy considering they had less than 2 weeks left before the big decision I wish she had of walked away it would have done him a big favour. So Jamie acknowledges that she treats Doug unfairly and 'hopes to work on it' what a load of crap Doug promises to not lie to you anymore and you 'hope to work on it'. Get stuffed both Jamie & Dr C how about instead you tell the crazy nutbag to work her own issues out before imposing them on the world, it is not just Doug she treats like crap it is her family as well. Jamie is NOT QUIRKY she is DAMAGED. Sorry for the rant it makes me angry that he lets so much crap slide with her.
Now I might not fully understand the deal between Doug and Jamie but I know that if I was aware my husband was lying to my face and I was supposed to let it go for 48 hours to give him time to come clean, i would actually react worse when he came to me.
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From the same forum http://community.babycenter.com/post/a51777142/married_at_first_sight_part_3?cpg=55 on Jamie & Doug
DrCilona
Posted 08/27/2014
In reply to oneluv86:
Posted 08/27/2014
Q About her reaction to Doug lying. I totally get it. Without going into too much detail I have a history of sexual abuse and parents/sibling with mental illness and drug addiction. Dealing with that at a young age causes severe trust issues; at least it did for me. I think her reaction shows she really was falling for and trusting Doug and that's why the lie, no matter how small it might seem to others, was a huge violation to her. For me lying brings back intense emotions related to my past and it's hard to separate the feelings from then to now. Obviously I don't know but I get the feeling she doesn't want to be a victim anymore and Doug lying to her how he did probably made her feel that way; not feelings you want from your husband. Like Jamie said-you can't understand if you haven't lived it.
Sorry this got long but I could really relate to Jamie this episode and felt the need to defend her to those saying her reaction was over the top.A THANK YOU for sharing that and helping others consider Jamie's reaction from a different perspective. I think it's very important for everyone to read carefully what you wrote.
As an aside from this he ignored all the comments not supporting Jamie.
DrCilona
Posted 08/27/2014
In reply to BombBucket:
Posted 08/27/2014
Q Doug sincerely apologized multiple times, too. You could tell he was begging for forgiveness and she wasn't hearing it. She just kept saying "I can no longer trust you. It starts with one small lie." Heartbreaking. Dr. C seemed to help resolve that issue. After Doug apologized for the 400th time with the direct supervision of the Dr. She seemed to finally accept it, but I'm sure she'll hold it over his head for future disagreements. :(A I understand those thoughts and frustrations, what wasn't really discussed was the degree to which Doug continued to lie and lie and lie, ending after a long dialogue with "I swear on my mother's life." For me, that was what really pushed Jamie over the edge. She definitely derailed, but with 3-4 days ( and after our meeting) was able to really forgive him (IMO) and move past it.
DrCilona
Last edited 08/27/2014
In reply to BombBucket:
Last edited 08/27/2014
Q I just finished watching the latest episode. I feel so bad for Doug. Anybody else notice that he was almost crying after the cigarette lying incident (When he was talking to the cameras about it?) He's had it rough. He's been tediously working at Jamie and keeping his cool without ever asking anything of her. He had just dealt with her emotions concerning her family and knowing the weight Jamie put in that scenario, you know it had to be stressful for Doug to handle. So he slipped out for a smoke. She probably said "I hate smokers. They are disgusting and I don't tolerate it" at some earlier point, so when he got caught he probably panicked and that's why he lied. I can't sympathize with Jamie this time because she was REALLY hard on him. "I WON'T marry somebody like that." Ouch. After one moment of fault, Jamie tossed the whole thing out the window; everything Doug had worked so hard at was stomped on because she was upset. Doug was devastated and she had no sympathy whatsoever. She expects him to be PERFECT and any time a tiny thing doesn't line up, she tells him he's immature, not a man, not ready to be married, a shmuck... Poor guy!!!! No man can live up to those expectations IMO. Cut him a break, Jamie. Sheesh! Edited for typos.
A I think the was REALLY HARD on both of them in different ways. Though for me, it ultimately created a very important growth point for both of them, particularly Jamie who would DEFINITELY been out the door in other circumstances. She came very close to quitting the experiment immediately after when her emotions were reeling.DrCilona
Last edited 08/28/2014
In reply to mpcvt:
Posted 08/27/2014
Q Doug smoking & lying about it. That was a BAD BAD decision on his part to lie about it & she is completely allowed to feel how she feels. However he made his first big mistake & she acted like she was done, there was not a thing he could say/do to right his mistake. He is human & will make more mistakes, I don't see her accepting less than perfection & he can never live up to that, I think he will get hurt in the long run. I really don't know that she will ever trust anyone enough to be happy with them.A Your point about Doug being human and making more mistakes is an important one that I addressed in depth in my meetings with them both individually and as a couple. I'm very frustrated that none of this made the edit because I think it was critical. In short, I was very concerned that Jamie have realistic expectations around Doug never, ever telling her another lie at any time in the future. This, of course, would be ideal, but rather unrealistic. Because the cigarette lie seemed so reflexive for Doug, I think the risk of that happening again at some point when he was frightened, vulnerable, or otherwise emotionally compromised was significant. If Jamie were just going to react to this arguably inevitable occurence with the same "It's over" knee jerk emotional repsonse she had with the cigarette lie, then they would most certainly be doomed.
So, I negotiated an agreement between the two of them in which Jamie would give Doug a "Grace period" of time to come to her if/when a lie should slip out. I suggested 24-48 hours, but encouraged them to figure out something comfortable for both of them. This would give time for Doug to center himself emotionally and make a better choice should he have another reactive emotional response and lie, and also force Jamie to have a more realistic and grounded approach to dealing with Doug's inevitable human foibles.
They both responded very well to this and seemd very relieved and happy to have what appeared to be a workable plan, especially Jamie. I think it gave her an important alternative option to her typical response which inevitably results in self-sabotage. She was very grateful to have it.
I would further like to clarify that I encouraged him to make a committment to her to "try his best" to be totally honest with her and not to undermine her trust. I hate the way they edited that. i would never encourage anyone to make a committment that they most certainly couldn't honor.
DrCilona
Posted 08/28/2014If you pay close attention to his semantics he said "make my best effort," but it was right aftter some "never, ever" statement. And they cut me off right after I said "..make a committment". When the rest of my sentence was something like "always to remember how important it is to Jamie that your are truthful, and do your best to not to lie, and if you do, to honor the grace period agreement." etc.
It would have been easy to edit in a short sequence on the grace period agreement, and it's so relevant to their story, i just don't get why they didnt.
This epsiode was by far THE MOST FRUSTRATING for me. There was just so much really important, relevant discussion and issues addressed and worked through, that example is just one. UGH.
Just remember they edited about 14 hours total of discussion to about 4-6 min per couple I think.
DrCilona
Posted 22 hrs ago
In reply to rhirhi415:
Posted 22 hrs ago
Q Dr C, I am curious if you spoke to the couples about balance..in terms of partner support. From what we see on screen (which I know comes from editing), I feel like Cortney and Doug especially are so attentive and concerned for their partners needs and comfort level. I absolutely believe that Jamie and Jason care for their partners, but I don't necessarily see them providing that care etc. I feel like in a long term situation this could cause some issues and I was just wondering if anything like that was discussed when you met with them. Also-please tell me Lulu has stolen something and you have photos..so adorable!!A Yes, this was addressed, particularly with Jamie and Doug. I was, in fact, quite direct in addressing the apparent lack of balance in meeting Jamie's needs versus Doug's needs being both identified and met. At that time, Doug was quite clear that he felt his needs were being met fully by the current dynamic in the relationship, even when pressed.
Jamie acknowledged a lopsidedness to the dynamic, and hoped to be able to work toward more balance as she was able. She was also very clear and specific in recognizing Doug's "saint-like" patience and understanding with her throughout the process (until that point), as well as expressing gratitude.
Doug always struck me as having a sixth sense of sorts when it comes to Jamie's needs, and although I think he certainly struggles, his resolve and certainty seem to fuel his perseverence.
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First not surprising she talks about Vaughn in past tense (I am really hoping she walked away) and the last time I saw a connection was on the honeymoon when it all went south.
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I ventured back to the other board and Monet was answering questions I have cut and pasted her responses from http://community.babycenter.com/post/a51777142/married_at_first_sight_part_3?cpg=47 just to save searching
Q Did you stay with Vaughn? Lol.
A Keep watching love bugs... :)
DrCilona
Posted 08/26/2014
In reply to tinylittle11:
Posted 08/26/2014Q Omg! Monet is my favorite! Monet, if you could do it again would you do anything differently (ex. Get a brand new apt with Vaughn like the other couples)?
A I think you might be on to somthing... I wonder what would have happened if we had moved into an apt. that was new...
In reply to Smokey Mikasa:
Posted 08/26/2014
Q I have a question. At this point in the show what were all of your friends telling you to do? Were they for or against Vaughn?A Interestingly enough my girlfriend who are around during the filming really want Vaughn and I to work it out... Vaughn and I are trying and they know that and support that. A lot of time women have female friends who dont support them in their relationships. I have amazing girlfriends and they are #mebeinghappy
Q Sorry, I have another Monet question. We don't see you and Vaughn having a lot of tender moments. Did you guys laugh/cuddle/chat/have fun or was it all pretty intense?
A Vaughn and I actually functioned better off camera. He and I had many moments of fun...
In reply to biologyle:
Posted 08/26/2014Q AAHHHHH!! Monet!! Hello! I was wondering about the relationship that your parents modeled for you growing up. Did your father have a traditional male role and that's why you desired that in a mate? Just curious if you are open to sharing.
A Hi, my father was 18 years older than my mother and raised me for the most part. He was 49 when i was born. He was a "mans man" but never during their relationship did i ever get the impression that my mother was meek. He was the head of the house hold but she was her own person
Comment from Dr C again on his meetings with Monet and Vaughn
In reply to Wenders11:
Posted 08/28/2014
Q I would have paid big money for a ringside seat to that show, lol. They need to release an extended version with all the footage we didn't get to see!A It was actually very interesting to see them interacting and feel the energy between them. They can go from zero to 100, back to zero within seconds. There is clearly a strong passion/connection, yet somehow it tends to compel them into conflict and negative intensity, rather than positive most of the time...
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I am hoping Doug & Cortney met at the filming of the decisions and run off together, they seem the only two in this experiment that are ready for a relationship. Jason seems so sad and has so much on his plate he needs somebody to look after him but is not willing to open up and allow it. Monet & Vaughn are so set in their ways, are both keeping track of their partners faults and seem unwilling to compromise. Jamie is such a mess she needs to sort herself out before even contamplating a relationship and needs to step away from reality tv forever.
I am beginning to wonder if Monet & Vaughn were just a big joke played by the experts to see if they told people that they were a good match that they would change themselves to make it work.
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What I question is that in a talking head Jaime said she has had abusive relationships but now knows what a good relationship is and won't accept less. OK fine but the rant you went off on Doug was verbally abusive that is not a good relationship. When you partner fears to tell you something because they are afraid of your reaction that is not a good relationship. When you constantly judge your partners that is not a good relationship. When you continually punish your partner over a mistake that is not a good relationship. When you are ready to run at the first sign of trouble that is not a good relationship. So Jamie might know what is expected is a good relationship but she defiantly does not back that up with her actions.
Yes Doug lied and really seems to regret it, I think he has well and truly learnt his lesson. I just hope that she truly does forgives him and move on some how I think this will be held over his head for awhile.
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I have a soft spot for Doug, in the video extras I feel sad when he says that if we met normally I would choose Jamie but she would not choose me. So with that in mind I am giving Doug a slide on the lying. I do think he took it to far and should have owned up right away but he is so afraid that if he is not perfect Jamie will bolt.
Jamie has been judgemental for their whole relationship and has so many deal breakers I would be afraid to breathe wrong around her. I think Jamie needs to stop looking for romance and take some time to deal with her issues. If she stops being so judgemental then people will not be afraid of not being perfect around her.
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I don't have numbers to back it up, but I think setting this show in NYC is going to lead to higher divorce rates. The national average is like 50% divorce rate over 5 years. The purpose of an experiment is not always to be right, but to prove (meaning to test) the theory. For the sake of the show, it doesn't really matter. The Bachelor has a horrible success rate and people watch it year after year.
I for one do not watch the bachelor expecting a successful relationship, I watch for the crazy so I can snark. This shows "experts" have told us numerous times that these couples are a great match and will make it if they put the effort in eg not our fault. I went in rooting for these couples after tonight I just hope they were not hurt if they split. I am losing faith in all of the relationships.
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I do not want another whole season of the same couples, next season I would like an update because I doubt most of the couples will still be married. If they split the experts are not going to want to advertise thier extreme social experiment failure. As is Jamie & Dr C have both said on social media that the Danish version was successful as 2 of the couples stayed together conveniently forgeting they all split within 12 months. 5 weeks is nothing in the scheme of a marriage.
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Somebody hates Heather http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-9/photos/exclusive-photos-from-the-rhoc-reunion?cid=related_gallery#image-204029 surely there was a more flattering photo of her and Terry
And Terry for future reference never stand beside David you look worse than usual http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-9/photos/exclusive-photos-from-the-rhoc-reunion?cid=related_gallery#image-204020 WTF is that goofy face the PP that said his nose is growing to resemble a penis was right
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It's obvious to me that it was a producer who got the Dubrows all riled up about David's comment. But what is interesting is that the Dubrows are still famewhorish enough to not rat out production. They could have let it out on Twitter or in interviews, but they still want to be invited back.
I think it was Tamra that is why Eddie's comment get conveniently forgotten. And how the heck could Terry lose 2 months of sleep over a comment that his wife admits they only heard about just before the Bali trip. The Dubrows are not very good at getting their stories straight.
BTW what the heck does Tamra have on the DuBrows, even when told straight to their faces that Tamra probably made up the 'take down the Bedours' comment not a peep and then to defend Eddie's comment about riding Terry. They are terrified of setting off the wrath of Tamra.
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p.s. now what ya'll can tell me is what a holla back construction site is?
It has me confused my understanding was it meant a gossip spreading rumours behind somebody back but then what the heck that has to do with David's comment I have no idea. Terry on the other hand I would call the queen of hollaback I have never seen a husband so wanting to be a wife. If it is rumour spreading then all my workplaces have been hollaback and I have never worked construction.
Just watched the behind the scenes at the reunion "Full Throttle" and love Shannon asking Vicki if she wants to crawl into their bed tonight as we all know Vicki loves threesomes and Vicki saying only with two guys.
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Agree Jamie's freedom on social media is a puzzle. Jason and Cortney had one hint on theirs and it got closed off. Jamies is constant pics that seem to spoil the outcome. If it turns out that she had been fooling her followers I agree that there will be a huge backlash. I am thinking more and more that Jamie is just attention seeking. This is her third reality show she knows that people scrutinise her account.
My prediction is she stays with Doug for the show but dumps his arse within 12 months so it looks like she gave it a fair go and then she can cry victim to the media again. After Bachelor/Bachelor Pad she was not above bashing the format and fellow castmates both on social media as well as main stream media. I especially love her calling out their morals after she has the most awkward kiss ever and then she jumps on top of a sleeze ball on her next go round at fame. Only to then call the media that she is dating another reality star when he friends her on facebook. She puts all this down to being naive, umm no you think she would learn your lesson the first time after that it is on her.
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She looks like my grandma, I swear she has the same dress.
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It won't let me link to individual posts so (and I can't access his post history from profile so it a while to dig them up)
the forth post down on this page http://community.babycenter.com/post/a51473470/married_at_first_sight_part_2?cpg=86 he seems a little frustrated when a poster still questioned if some of the participants might have went on the show for a bit of fame he responded with last post on this this page http://community.babycenter.com/post/a51473470/married_at_first_sight_part_2?cpg=90&csi=2465459769&pd=1
I haven't found the Jamie ones yet I think they were the first thread.
Thanks for the link, crazychicken. I had wondered which site had made him feel all-powerful and hung on his every word. Although I haven't read all the links on that other page, I read enough to see the good Dr sounds quite enamored with Jamie and defends their decision to choose her at every angle. Guess we (here at PTV) hit him with real questions and opinions instead of the posters at the other site, who were instructed to basically keep it light and cheerful when questioning him so as to not run him off like some other sites. LOL I think any professional who is worth their salt should be able to take heat thrown their way, especially when they are featured in a televised show.
That is why I am now sticking to this board I am allowed to have an opinion without being told that I need to rewatch and look deeper. I love that we can have differing opinions while remaining polite to other posters.
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Thanks Bella
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a51777142/married_at_first_sight_part_3 the first post has a summary of his answers to the main questions in the first 2 threads. When I have time (its 2 am and I am on my phone here) I will get on my PC an look for the specific posts I was thinking of.
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She needs so much therapy, Dr Cirlona defends her and her casting a lot on another board saying she is very authentic in her desire for love and family. What he sees as I authentic I see as red flags, her wanting/expecting a fairytale her desire for babies soon. If somebody points out that she should get herself sorted emotionally first he tells them to look deeper we are misjudging her. Of course we are judging her she has put herself on miltiple tv shows and has no hesitation in judging others. Even if she is genuine I think it hurts the shows credability casting her especially with her trust issues.
I am not sure if I can link or copy his responses but he does defend Jamies casting saying the producers didn't want her yet Jamie in interviews says they called her asking if she was single and willing to do a dating show. He also points out that the show works as 2 of the Danish couples stay together yet ignores that they all divorced within 12 months.
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Another that thinks Jamie just bugged this week
Simple terms my problem with Jamie (and yes I admit I am judging from what is shown on TV)
1. If you want people to accept you quirks and all then you also need to accept people quirks and all. Same with respect.
2. Yes you should be commended for pulling yourself out of the poverty cycle but just because your siblings are not nurses willing to go on multiple television shows to achieve the same does not make them something to be ashamed off I could understand if they were repeating the cycle of abuse and addiction but not simply because they have not achieved the same level of success as you.
3. She expects Doug to accept her family & past for what they are yet doesn't seem to accept them herself.
4.She expects other people to emotionally prop her up and give her kudos for overcoming the obstacles in her life but does not do the same in return. ie When Doug was talking about losing his job & house and returning to his parents house, instead of empathy she judged him and told him she would never marry a 'schmuck'. Implying that he was not good enough for her.
5. She in constantly putting hurdles in the way of her relationship with Doug and expecting him accept them without hesitation and to his credit I have not seen him react in any negative way to them. If he did the same to her she would give him a spray and run for the hills. She needs to show others the same respect that she expects from them.
6. She is an adult so she should be able to filter her words and stop or rephrase hurtful remarks ie ashamed of her family, they are rednecks, her niece & nephew are not to call Doug uncle.
7. If you know you have issues letting your guard down do not marry a stranger.
8. And finally expecting other people to be perfect is unrealistic even the best people make mistakes or face circumstances that mean they let other people down. It does not make them horrible people it makes them human. You are setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect people to be perfect.
I do not think that Jamie is a bad person I just wish that she would work on her issues, having a traumatic childhood is not a free pass to treat others badly. At sometime she needs to stop deal with her past, so that she can be more accepting of herself and other and stop expecting people to treat her badly but as an adult she also needs to own her own behaviour and judgments of others. I guess it circles back to my first point if you want others to accept you freely and without judgement you need to do the same for them.
OTT but I laughed when listening to Jamie & Doug's wedding song and one of the lines is 'You try not to cry as you walk down the aisle"
edited because I can't spell and it wasn't autocorrects fault for once
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Here's the link to the video of Heather riding the bull. NO, I'm not obsessed!
Thanks well that clears up if Terry heard it at the time, the idiot responded and participated in the conversation. Just keeping spinning Debrows
Now off that topic I watched the clip 'Terry cuts David down' and Christin was not at the table for all the conversation he gets up at the "sardonic you might want to look that up' (and talking about smirks on rewatch heather has a huge one at this comment) and returns just as David says 'plus I am just a dumb construction guy. Actually it might be edited I think I might have to rewatch the end of the episode.
OTT i love all the negative remarks about the Debrows on the clips comments.
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If Cilona comes back we should ask him the specifics of how Vaughn and Monet were compatible in almost every way.
He has found another board that he posts on almost daily full of adoring mommies to stroke his ego. He seems to take it very personally if you think the show is in any way fake and his rabid attack mommies come out in full force to defend him after all he is an 'expert' so in no way should he or the show be questioned.
I really wish that Monet and Vaughn would just part and be done with it, neither of them seem to be good together they might be the greatest people in the world apart but they certainly do not bring out the best in each other and FGS if you do not like each other stop jumping into bed together.
Jason and Courtney I think the pp is right he does not want to discuss his love life on camera, and Courtney does not want to bring it up and cause tension, they are just floating along in their little bubble and neither of them wants to break it and face the harder questions. I can not believe that they have not discussed birth control it is freakin important who wants to go on a reality marry a stranger and come away with a baby.
Doug and Jamie I cycle with these two, one day I think she is really trying to let him in and then somedays I think she is just holding out until the end.
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S01.E08: Conflict & Resolution
in Married At First Sight
On re-watching the episodes something that Dr Pepper said when Jamie was going back to the trailer park struck me, she said "Jamie doesn't realise how deep her trust issues are" So while I still think that Jamie needs therapy I am giving serious side eye to the experts that cast her knowing that she had such deep emotional issues. It has always bothered me that they cast people with trust issues knowing that they will take time to open up in an experiment that only last 5 weeks. I sort of gave them a pass thinking maybe they didn't realise the extent of them until she was already married but going back to re-watch it bother me even more than on first watch. Some of Jamie's statements send up huge red flags so why did they ignore them.
You are right she shouldn't have to settle or be grateful just to be treated well it is not fair on either Jamie or Doug. I think she is really conflicted in a few episodes she has made statements like 'he is all that I asked for/wanted I really want to fall in love with him'. I really hope that if they do not remain together that she at least learns that she deserves to be treated well and will have a better idea of what makes a good relationship.