casey65

Interesting point about the time. Saw this with my teenager who asked “is this set in current time or the past?” Obviously it’s modern day but it did have a timelessness about it. I think that was a smart choice.... when people are watching it 10 or 20 years from now and technology has changed it won’t be so glaring. I love movies about music like this (Walk the Line one of the best) and the part in this that I thought was just incredible was Ally singing the lyrics in the parking lot, then telling Jack about another song she was writing and how it could work in it, and the of course Jack adding and arranging it. Made me think of Stevie Nicks and how Lindsey Buckingham would take her demos and produce them into masterpieces.

I like Noah and Cole better together than Noah and anyone else. I know a lot of posters are dismayed at the idea of season five being the two of them teaming up to solve her murder but I’d love it. I think the two actors really play well off each other and the writing for their scenes together has been stellar.

Thank you, finally! I feel like they rushed to a suicide conclusion very quickly. And the line about her place being “immaculate” - no one thought maybe it was TOO immaculate, like someone cleaned up to cover up the signs of a struggle or blood? Didn’t they use the lamps that detect blood that was washed away - we saw her bleeding, and head wounds bleed profusely. Come ON. This is amateur hour stuff and we are supposed to believe it was all missed?

I don’t think we will see Vik again.... his oncologist friend said that even with treatment he had maybe nine months. I think if the end game is going to be Noah and Helen reconciling (which I do) I’d bet there is a year or so time jump and Vik is gone and everyone else is back in NY. I liked (for lack of a better word) Helen admitting that she used Vik and didn’t ever really love him. It was honest. I don’t think any less of her for it - she definitely cared for him and “loved him but not in love with him”. Maybe that’s the way Noah feels about Helen....

The episode description on the Showtime app says Princeton, so someone caught the error somewhere along the line. I guess one east coast Ivy is the same as another lol. I kind of zoned out when he was talking to her but I thought she mentioned having a boyfriend (not that that means anything).... Whoever mentioned Allison having a bandaid on her finger in the flashback - I remember in one of the first episodes seeing Allison with a bandaid like that on her finger - it looked like one you would out on a child (with little pictures on it). And then of course last episode... a nice touch.

So did I, and again at Helen’s reaction to Noah telling her about it. Since they used scenes from Allison’s second POV in the previouslies, including Ben killing her, I’m taking that as confirmation that the second POV was the real one and that Ben did kill her. Pretty ballsy of him to show up at the funeral, but maybe he thought it would look suspicious if he didn’t. Vik’s Mother is so awful, I’m surprised she even called Helen to let her know he was septic. Im honestly not surprised Luisa seemed to agree to Cole’s proposition of basically being a nanny and wife in name only in exchange for becoming Joanie’s guardian and possibly getting her citizenship. But I think Cole offered it out of guilt, and because he’s overwhelmed and it’s just easier to have Luisa parent Joanie. He’s going to regret it sooner than later.

I think that’s highly likely. We saw him specifically give her an out - say it was all her fault and he will leave. Anyone wanting to save their own life in that terrifying situation would say anything... and she deliberately chose not to, and to continue provoking him. She wrote her own story, or at least, her own ending.

The timeline Ben gave to Cole definitely wouldn’t match up - even if he was only at her place with her for twenty minutes it took a long time to bring her body to the spot and then go back and clean the whole place (which they let us see was actually pretty messy even before he got there.) I mean did they even check anything there at all? Use one of those lamps to check for blood? A head wound bleeds an insane amount.

Even though I could see it was headed towards a violent end I still gasped. I had literal chills during the last few minutes. You would think I would be smart enough to know the whole first half was her fantasy but I was completely duped, to the point where I was so startled by the loud knocking on the door. I liked that in the second half she was wearing jeans.... no flirty easy access dress like she usually wears. When the detective was telling Cole and Noah how she left her place immaculate didn’t he ever think that someone went back and cleaned it up? Moron. i hate that she died this way. Not that I wanted her to have killed herself but this was a terrible end. eta- had we heard the name of Ben’s wife before? I noticed it was another H name like Helen... it would be an interesting detail if Allison made the name up herself.

Wow, thank you for that ElectricBoogaloo! I have a feeling they are going to skip over Camille sleeping with John. I just don’t see how they are going to fit all this in with just three episodes left... something is getting shortchanged. And so weird to develop the tertiary Alice character to the extent that there was almost an entire episode about her.

I’m wondering if they skip the whole part with Amma moving in with Camille and just have Camille discover the dollhouse floor and put the pieces together.... there hardly seems to be enough time for all that is left. I read the book so long ago - doesn’t the cop get involved with her mother poisoning her and try to get her to leave the house? And am I totally misremembering or doesn’t Camille sleep with the teenage boy?

I commented that I **hated to think** Allison would kill herself because of how it would hurt Joanie, not that I thought having Joanie would preclude her from committing suicide. Believe me I understand depression and mental illness. I have one sibling with schizophrenia and another who has fought severe depression most of their life. Just wanted to say that because I see so many comments referring back to it. I made the original comment coming from the perspective of a mom who fought cancer when her kids were young and my greatest fear was leaving them. So yes, I still do hate to think Allison would do that to her daughter. But I certainly understand that Allison has been depicted as suicidal and seriously depressed all along.

I hate that Showtime basically telegraphed Allison’s death in the episode description. I read that and the news that there was going to be a fifth season, and it was obvious she died. I had been watching the season thinking this was the last one and expected Cole to find her in some sort of situation and save her. So the surprise was lost for me. However, this was still a fantastic episode. Great acting by both guys, but especially Joshua Jackson. I cried when they were walking down the hallway to the morgue, their sadness was palpable. Ben and her father are both lying, but I think if anyone killed her it was Luisa. I’d hate to think she killed herself because of how it would hurt Joanie.

So glad to hear they aren’t trying to stretch out another season. They are telling the story of the book, and that should be where it ends.

Didn’t Noah cheat on her with the girl who was with him on his book tour (Eden?)? I could be wrong but I thought they hooked up.

I caught that on rewatch, I loved it. That entire scene, and the use of the song (Englebert Humperdinck!!) was fantastic. Gave me chills.

Since this was Vik’s “viewpoint” and we have seen how those reflect that person’s version of reality, I took that to be his perception of her reaction in contrast to the coldness of his own mother. He was terrific.

I think it’s Faiths uncle who is a preacher. i always viewed Faith a very sweet and level headed, and a serious student, so I’m kind of skeptical where this whole storyline is coming from.

If Mike is living in Long Branch a nice condo or apartment down there can actually be very expensive. But in comparison to everyone else, yes. Aside from Pauly, what do the other guys do for a living, anything? Jenny looks unrecognizable. But Snookie’s mouth .... you know it’s bad when it affects your speech like that. It was unnerving listening to her, didn’t sound like her at all. She looked so cute when she did Dancing With the Stars, why did she mess with her face?

I couldn’t stand Pratt when the show originally aired. Despite being a huge fan from day one, when Pratt came onto the show I took such a dislike to him that I stopped watching except for an episode here and there. I’m so glad I rewatched all the episodes through on Pop- by the end I liked the character so much that I was wrecked watching the episode where he died. (Probably one of the very best late season episodes). MP really grew into the role and the character became so much more likeable.

This, exactly! She’s the most unlikeable woman Carter was ever paired with (including Abby).

Carter’s sister was given the Chuck Cunningham treatment, as in, never mentioned again and tptb hoping the audience forgot all about the reference to her existence. Kind of like Doug Ross’ son who he had never seen (and he got TWO mentions!)

The last they showed was Australian dr saying she was rejecting the heart, and a scene of the daughter holding her hand in the hospital while the mom was unconscious. No final resolution beyond that but hearing that she was rejecting the donor heart seemed like it wasnt going to be a happy outcome :(

I would have rather they had Carter, alone but happy opening his clinic and practicing medicine, than seeing him so lonely and pining after a woman who doesn’t care enough to be with him. I still don’t get what her reason was - was the mere sight of Caretr such a reminder of the baby that she couldn’t stand being with him? In that case it would have been kinder to just cut all ties with him than string him along for five years. Sorry, I can’t stand Kem.

Why did they have to take away the happy ending for Ariel Winter and her mom who got the heart? She was so sweet in that role. The Benton/Carter scenes were great. Theirs was probably the best relationship of the series. Doug and Carol kind of boring. Kind of weird that she went from being a nurse to a transplant coordinator...? Waaay too much Australian doctor in these last few eps. Neela wasting the whole season with him kind of ruined her reunion with Ray for me. Did they have to kill off that mom with the twins? Can’t everyone live on the last episode? Dislike Kem as much as ever. If she’s not willing to be with you after years have passed, move on Carter. He should have stuck with Wendell.