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Cheers! :-) Party of three now, cheers!

I just felt like Naomie was upset over Liz's treatment by JD (even Chelsea called him a con artist)- and too young to know not to unleash her anger at JD about it. I found her brave and passionate-- just young! When I was 25, I had to learn the hard way that when a married friend complains to you about their spouse, you can support them in the moment, but you have to be very careful about going further. Same thing with the Patricia situation-- Naomie doesn't know that in Patricia's world, Patricia's allowed to excommunicate Kathryn, and no one (certainly not a 25 year old) is supposed to say anything about it. I thought Naomie had major balls and was a good friend for trying to speak to her on Kathryn's behalf. She is just passionate, and maybe a bit too bold, but her heart seems to be in the right place. So I felt proud of her for speaking truth to power and standing up for women mistreated by the likes of JD (who -- phew!-- has quite the trail of lawsuits behind him), Thomas, and Patricia. I'll take my seat at the team Naomie table (party of one). :-)

I totally support Heather's outburst. Good lord, it was refreshing. It made me like her more! Kelly is nuts, and now she's going to have her crappy behavior supported/ enabled by s-stirring reality producers. I don't think she feels bad about how she's coming across, she's just thrilled to be famous(ish) for being a housewife.

Different strokes, clearly!

The BS preening, yes, that's exactly it-- so well put. An aggressively prissy vanity that I just cannot stand.

UGH Heather Dubrow or DuBrow or EyeBrow is SO INTOLERABLY FAKE. Have to check in and say that. I just had a second of terrible judgment and decided to listen to her awful podcast (Heather Dubrow's World-- listen for yourself and come back and say how much you hated it). Her voice on that podcast, how she talks, how she interacts with her hired ass-kiss girl-- OMG it is all excruciating. She is really, really a fake, superficial woman. The hole where her soul should be is gaping-- she's trying to fill it with monster-sized mansions and sideshow events starring Heather Dubrow! and Terry Dubrow too! I mean, guys. It is sad, how this woman ticks-- it must feel awful to be her. And it hurts to listen to her for just a few minutes. In fact, let me warn you-- Heather Dubrow's plastic voice, booming right into your ear, may reduce your capacity to feel your own emotions and experience empathy. Prolonged exposure likely to induce temporary or permanent loss of soul.

I think that over time we are seeing that Andy/ Bravo have different rules for different people. Vicki? She had to drag Brooks on camera during their last season or two, even though it was reported that neither of them wanted to have Brooks on the show. Asa? Well, her boyfriend, Jermaine Jackson Jr., comes from an uber-famous family with far more pull than the likes of Andy Cohen, so Asa gets to leave him out of filming since he'd rather not. Bethenny? Well, she's a favorite of Andy's, and Andy will bend the rules for her, hence no one forces Bethenny to include her real-life romantic interests. Even though it would be, ahem, real reality, and even though reality/ truthfulness is supposedly Bethenny's stock in trade.

A poster upthread said the Bethenny hatred has gotten out of control. I agree-- I kind of think the overall hatred has gotten out of control. Everyone doesn't hate on the same RHONY women, but there's a vibe that's very, very, very critical in the extreme, sometimes to the point of hatefulness (IMO). It's a gray area, cause we watch these shows partly to guffaw at the women, but sometimes I do feel sad at how much of a sport it is, dishing out pretty brutal judgment of these women. Course Andy Cohen and the Bravo minions foster it-- they've essentially gone with a Jerry Springer model of drama creation (wind 'em up and watch 'em go). But I can't help but wonder if we are more comfortable going after women in this way than we would if they were men... I feel there's a more intense level of judgment that we reserve for women. We're more comfortable scapegoating them. IMO. IMO. Don't flame me for MO. Anyhow, I agree with the poster upthread, I guess that's my real point. High five, poster upthread.

no, she was just saying that Kelly's costume was something other than a 70's outfit-- her response to the "Mrs. Roper" thing. She kind of conflated Kelly's bullying into that one thing, and she was responding with her own critique of Kelly's costume. Of course Shannon wasn't saying Indians are ugly, she's not a nasty ignoramus, and that would be a bizarre thing to say even for a nasty ignoramus.

Bluedog! I'm sorry to hear you're going through such tough stuff. For what it's worth, I care. Sending good thoughts your way. :-)

Tom was on the show, season 1, episode 4 ("Social Wife"). I went back and watched (on Hulu-- it's in the first segment or so). It was definitely Tom, and what an ass! He stood out to me at the time for being a total jerk (he seemed to me like the kind of guy that likes to put women down to their faces, thinking it'll make them want to scramble to please him. He called Ramona's friend promiscuous, and Ramona lazy, all as part of his awesome small talk.) At the time, Ramona did a TH saying how awful Tom and his friend were, and she literally said, "if that's what's out there, I'm staying in my marriage forever." The irony!!!!

Luann has 2F's-- Finally Flush Dorinda has 1F-- Fatty And -- as we already know-- Bethenny has zero F's.

Poor thing. She's thinking of the mall. http://www.simon.com/mall/king-of-prussia

I think these men fit her childhood rescue fantasies, and that's why she gets so giddy. The count, a millionaire with a penthouse... Lu is always sure to drop the details that she finds significant about her "loves". Good lord, the fact that she banged Rey is proof enough that she is attracted to money.